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Supposing that to be the fact, I submit that, if | many men in the field as they may think neces- line detailed to act as regimental quartermasters or we put in the field companies numbering only sary and proper, with regard to the exigencies commissaries, or as quartermasters or commissaries fifty men each, they will at the end of six of the service and the condition of the country.

of permanent posts, or of commands of not less than months have dwindled down to companies of

two companies, shall, when the assignment is duly But I would not allow organizations to go reported to and approved by the War Department, twenty-five or thirty-thirty at most, probably | into the field in a skeleton capacity. The effect receive as extra compensation while responsible for twenty-five, perhaps not more than twenty; would be you would have a full quota of officers

Government property, ten dollars per month. because, sir, the volunteer organization of the all the time, but you would not have the men I do not see why these officers should have Army was not depleted to any great extent by to do the duty. You want company of one an easy time in comparison with the officers desertions; but this is not a fact in regard to hundred men to garrison a fort, take care of

of the line. the regular Army, in which desertion has been the guns and other public property. If you

Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. I should be in 1 crying evil, order after order having been put these skeleton regiments into the field you

favor of the amendment of the gentleman from issued for the arrest of deserters from the reg- will have to take four companies to make up

New York (Mr. VAN AERNAM] if it did not ular Army. these one hundred men, while you will have

render the section incongruous with the genNow, supposing that there should be a dim- | fifteen or sixteen officers to pay instead of two

eral scope of this bill. T'he section proposes inution at the rate of forty per cent. in seven or three.

to increase the number of officers and the months, as there was with the troops furnished I apprehend it is not a matter of economy. expense of the Army without increasing its in 1862, we should, under this bill, have our It is not just to the people of the country to

efficiency. companies reduced in a period of half a year || keep up officers when there are no men to per

It is provided in this bill that these quarterto twenty-three or twenty-four men. Thus our form the 'service. If fifty thousand men be

masters and adjutants, when they have any pubArmy would become a great skeleton without needed let them be furnished in full companies lic property in their possession, shall have ten any vital organization fitting for performing and not in skeleton companies. I tell you if

dollars extra because of the responsibility which efficiently the functions of an army. Such an you adopt the provision for these skeleton com- is devolved upon them. Now, what in Heaven's army would simply eat the substance of the panies, you will have an army of officers and name has a quartermaster to do but to take pubpeople without rendering any valuable service. musicians and no one to do duty.

lic property and take care of it? There is not I submit that, as it is contrary to the spirit Mr. GARFIELD. I hope the amendment a regiment in the service to-day but what can and habits of the better part of our people, will not prevail.

find forty capable privates who have served for including the agriculturists and the sons of The question recurred on Mr. Vax AERNAM'S | years who are competent for that position and agriculturists, to enlist in the regular Army, it amendment.

who would be glad to obtain it. There is scarcely would be impossible, under the circumstances, The House divided; and there were-ayes

a wounded volunteer in the Army that is not to keep these companies full. I have seen a 33, noes 36; no quorum voting.

capable of performing, in time of peace, all the note from the Adjutant General's

Office, stating Mr. HARDING, of Illinois, demanded the || duties and responsibilities which devolve by that between October, 1864, and January, 1866, yeas and nays.

military law upon the office of quartermaster there had been only about thirty-nine thousand The yeas and nays were ordered.

or adjutant. They are both very genteel berths, men enlisted into the regular Army.

The question was taken; and it was decided much sought after by young men of distinguished Mr. WASHBURN, of Indiana. Will the in the negative-yeas 45, nays 65, not voting families. They are soft places, and can be made gentleman allow me to ask him a question? 73; as follows:

use of to get glory without danger. Mr. VAN AERNAM. Yes, sir.

YEAS–Messrs. Ames, Anderson, Baker, Banks, Now, sir, except so far as I may feel bound Mr. WASHBURN, of Indiana. The bill, as Beaman, Sidney Clarko, Coffroth, Conkling. Dawes, to keep up the principle of this bill, and make it stands, provides that the number of privates Donnelly, Farnsworth, Farquhar, Ferry, Finck, Gri

it what it is designed to be, I shall not vote for der, Abner C. Harding, Henderson, Hulburd, Kelley, in a company may be increased to one hun. George V. Lawrence, Marshall, Mercur, Miller, Moor- a provision for the benefit of gentlemen who dred, at the discretion of the President. Does head, Morris, Niblack, Perham, John H. Rice, Ross, have political influence enough to get into the the gentleman offer his amendment because he

Rousseau, Scofield, Shellabarger, Smith, Spalding,
Strouse, Francis Thomas, Thornton, Trowbridge, Up-

Army to live easy. My policy svould be to cannot trust the President?

son, Van Aernam, Warner, Henry D. Wasb hunn, have simply an efficient army for police duty Mr. VAN AERNAM. I offer the amend- William B. Washburn, Windom, and Wright-45. in time of peace, and not have an officer or a ment because I believe it improper to allow a

NAYS-Messrs. Allison, Ancona, Baxter, Benja

man beyond the actual needs of the service. I min, Bingham, Blaine, Boutwell, Boyer, Bromwell, company to be organized with less than one Broomall, Buckland, Bundy, Chanler, Reader W.

would not create a standing army in anticipahundred men. If you allow companies to be

Clarke, Cook, Dixon, Driggs, Eggleston, Garfield, tion of a war in the future. It is the last source organized with a smaller number, your Ariny Glossbrenner, Hale, Hayes, Hogan, llolmes, Asahel

to which I would look for security to liberty or W. Hubbard, Chester D. Hubbard, James M. Hum. will be a mere skeleton without any muscle. phrey, Julian, Kasson, Ketebam, Kuykendall, La- law. A standing army is the engine and con You will have an army composed simply of

tham, Loan, Longyear, Lynch, Marston, Marvin, Mc- trivance of monarchy and tyranny. It is the officers and drummers—an army that may be Clurg, McRuer, Moulton. Myers, Nicholson, O'Neill,

school in which despotism is learned; and Orth, Paine, Patterson, Phelps, Price, Ritter, Rollins, fitted to illustrate the "pomp and circumstance Schenck, Shanklin, Sitgreaves, Stevens, Taber, Tay- if you keep up a large standing army in this of war," but which will be incompetent for

Jor, Thayer, Robert T. Van Horn, Ward, Elihu B. | country for a few years, schooled as standing efficient service in any exigency.

Washburne, Welker, Wentworth, Williams, James
F. Wilson, and Woodbridge-65.

armies usually are, you will find a large overMr. SCHENCK. I have very little to say in NOT VOTING-Messrs. Alley, Delos R. Ashley, I shadowing institution, which is alien to the senregard to this amendment. But I deem it im- James M. Ashley, Baldwin, Barker, Bergen, Bidwell, timents of freedom, virtue, and intelligence in

Blow, Brandegee, Cobb, Cullom, Culver, Darling, Dapolitic and certainly not economical to keep

the people. vis, Dawson, Defrees, Delano. Deming, Denison, the Army all the time up to its maximum. The Dodge. Dumont, Eckley, Eldridge, Eliot, Goodyear, Sir, I recollect at the beginning of the late effect of the gentleman's amendment, striking || ligby, Hill, Hooper, Hotchkiss, Demas Hubbard,

war that a large proportion of the

Army which out fifty'' and inserting one hundred,''would John H. Hubbard, Edwin N.Hubbell,James R. Hub

we had nourished and educated, as we supposed, be to keep the companies all the time at their bell, James Humphrey, Ingersoll, Jenckes, Johnson, || in harmony and sympathy with the great sen. maximum. "It would organize at once an Army Jones, Kelso, Kerr, Laflin, William Lawrence, Le

timent which has since put down that rebellion, of eighty thousand men.

Blond, McCullough, McIndoe, McKee, Morrill, New-
I hope the amend
ell, Noell, Pike, Plants, Pomeroy, Radford, Samuel

deserted our flag and went over to the enemy. ment will not prevail.

J. Randall, William H. Randall, Raymond, Alcxan- Notwithstanding their discipline and educa. Mr. FARQUHAR. I desire to ask the gen. der H.Rice, Rogers, Sawyer, Sloan, Starr, Stilwell,

tion at West Point they turned against this John L. Thomas, Trimble, Burt Van Horn, Whaley, tleman from Ohio, if he will permit me, whether Stephen F. Wilson, and Winfield-73.

country. And those who remained in some the effect of the bill would not be to increase So the amendment was disagreed to.

instances and performed good service in the the number of regiments just one half, and thus

The Clerk read the next section, as follows :

field, hesitated, if we are not misinformed, as increase in the same proportion the number of

to which side they should take. officers?

Sec. 8. And be it further enacted, That the adjutants,

quartermasters, and commissaries of infantry regi- Mr. GARFIELD. Will the gontleman allow Mr. SCHENCK. It would not have that ments shall be mounted officers; and that all regi- me to ask a question? effect without further regulations. mental adjutants, quartermasters, and commissaries

Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. Yes, sir. Mr. FARQUHAR. If you make a company

shall be paid, in addition to their other proper allow-
ances, as first lieutenants and mounted officers, ten dol-

Mr. GARFIELD. Does the gentleman know consist of fifty, instead of one hundred, do

you lars per month, as compensation for their greater care of a single enlisted man in the old Army in not thereby increase the number of officers just and responsibility; and officers of the line detailed

1861, or thereafter, who deserted and went over to act as regimental quartermasters or commissarios, one half? or as quartermasters or commissaries of permanent

to the rebellion? And were not the desertions Mr. SCHENCK. The officers are the same. posts, or of commands of not less than two compa- he speaks of confined wholly to officers? The expansion is to be by filling up the regi. nies, shall, when the assignment is duly reported to

Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. Yes, sir. If and approved by the War Department, receive as ments as occasion may require, but to keep the extra compensation while responsible for Govern- I used that language I retract it. Not many Army down to the lowest practicable point ment property, ten dollars per month.

of the enlisted men, I believe, deserted. with regard to numbers in time of peace.

Mr. VAN AERNAM. I move to strike out But, sir, I wish to say this: that if in the Mr. VAN AERNAM. I desire to say a word the word "commissaries' in the second and future our country encounters difficulties by or two in addition to what I have already said | fourth lines.

reason of insurrections at home or by collision on this subject.

The amendment was agreed to.

with nations abroad, our reliance will be upon It has been demonstrated, during this rebel- Mr. VAN AERNAM. I move to strike out the patriotism and intelligence of the people lion, that our people are not much inclined to after the word "officers' in the third line, for the preservation of a Government which is enlist in the regular Army; they prefer to enlist | these words:

a blessing to those people, a Government which in volunteer organizations. In reference to the And that all regimental adjutants and quartermas- || does not burden them with the incubus of a organization of this Army, I wonld consult the

standing army, making them discontented and views of the Secretary of War and the Lieuten

allowances as first lieutenants and mounted oflicers || indisposed to fight for its preservation. I will ant Genernl, and allow thom to have just as greater care and responsibility; and officers of the

undertake to say that if we should ten years



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hence have a war, it would be better and more PAINE] if a regiment, according to its ratio of it to the gentleman. I have here the calcucheaply provided for and maintained by issu- the cost of an army will not cost the Govern- lation of the pay proper and allowances for ing a proclamation to the freemen of this coun- ment about a million dollars a year.

clothing and rations of a regiment of infantry, try to come forth and fight the battles in the Mr. PAINE. I am not able to state the and the pay proper and allowances of its offi. interest of freedom and good government than exact amount a regiment will cost the Govern- cers, and I find that when you add the pay by keeping up a standing army in anticipation ment.

and allowances of officers and enlisted men of such an event. Hence I do not believe in Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. I think that is together it amounts to $128,372 19 a year. In the policy of providing a large standing army, about the cost of a regiment, taking in consid- this is not included the allowance for forage and keeping it up for ten, twenty, or thirty | eration all the pay and expenses of the officers. or fuel, which are drawn in kind. Of course years, for the purpose of being prepared for And more than half that expense will be in- the forage does not amount to much in the

I want no great horde of officers to eat curred whether there are any privates in the infantry, and while fuel is allowed at posts and out our substance. And whatever may be the regiment or not. The pay of the officers, the in cities the amount is not a large one, except purpose and object of the bill before us, its very machinery necessary to keep up the

in the case of detailed officers on duty in cities effect, I fear, will be to create a large number | ization of the regiment, will cost the Govern- like Washington. of officers and to make an inefficient army. ment more than half that sum. Now, why Let me make the general remark that in To that I am opposed.

should the people of this Government be taxed speaking of regiments, I refer to regiments I am willing at all times to give employment | $80,000,000 a year for this Army? For whose composed of fifty-five privates, artificers, and to the volunteer officers who have been sery- benefit and for what purpose? Is it to keep | officers, the minimum organization provided ing their country during the late war, whether down the people of Illinois? We require no for here, and not of a regiment expanded to its they happened to be wounded or not, by giv- such repression in that State. Is it to keep full number of one hundred. The additional ing the preference to them in the selections for down the people anywhere in this broad coun- cost in that case would be something like the public service. I am willing that they shall || try? No, sir; a virtuous public opinion is all seventy thousand dollars in time of war, the be employed almost exclusively in doing gar- that is required for that purpose. If you will number of officers being the same. rison and other light duties, which are the only 1 give me one division of cavalry and one divis- Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. Does that duties required to be performed in time of ion of monnted infantry I will undertake that calculation include clothing? peace. These are my general views, and I | Grant will do the job of preserving quiet all Mr. SCHENCK. It includes clothing, ra. shall vote to reduce the Army to thirty thou- over the Union

tions, and everything. sand, or at most, forty thousand men.

Mr. PAINE. I have but a single word to Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. Does it include Mr. VAN AERNAM. Will the gentleman say in reference to the amendment of the gen- arms? allow me to inquire of him if he would have tleman from New York, [Mr. VAN AERNAM.) Mr. SCHENCK. No, sir. If the gentlethose thirty or forty thousand men organized | I have the highest respect for his opinion con- man were a little patient, which no gentleman in regiments of a thousand men each, or would cerning this bill generally, and I am unwill- here seems to be, I was going to advance to he have twice that number of regiments ? ing to express an opinion differing from his that point. This is a specific estimate; a speMr. HARDING, of Illinois. I would have unless absolutely compelled to do so by my

cific account of what is necessary to support only thirty or forty full regiments if it was not own convictions. But my observation has been one of these organizations. incongruous with the bill. But I voted for the that the old rule which prevailed in the regu- But then an army implies bureaus, and offiamendment of the gentleman from New York lar Army when the war broke out, and which cers detailed for duty there, commutation of (Mr. VAN AERNAM) with the hope that the rest has prevailed ever since, whereby regimental quarters, artillery, horses for cavalry, and numof the bill would be made to conform to it. quartermasters and adjutants always received berless other expenses in the various depart

Mr. VAN AERNAM. Would not the gen- ten dollars a month additional compensation | ments, quartermaster's, commissary's, &c., tleman from Illinois deem it advisable to per- for their increased responsibilities, was a rule which must also all be estimated for in profect the bill in the best possible manner, and founded in justice. I believe it is not true, as viding for keeping up a military establishment. in the end recommit it, if necessary, to do what the gentleman seems to suppose, that these Now, we happen to know what will be the the chairman of the Military Committee (Mr. officers, the regimental quartermasters and aggregate annual cost of just such an army as SCHENCK) yesterday called "to lick it into adjutants, have light duties to perform com- is here proposed. It will be in round numbers shape?"

pared with those that devolve upon the lieuten- $33,000,000, (I can give the exact figures, if Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. There is no ants of companies. On the contrary, my ob- any gentleman desires them,) without any of trouble in reducing this bill to the shape the servation in the Army satisfied me that no the reductions from the bureaus and elsewhere gentleman indicates. But I obtained the floor officer in the Army was more severely worked provided for in this bill. There are seventyon the condition that I opposed the gentleman's than these regimental adjutants and quarter- two regiments provided for, including artillery, amendment, and therefore I speak as if advo- masters when they did their duty. I am not cavalry, and infantry; and the expense of the cating the bill in its present shape.

unaware that that duty is sometimes left un- whole seventy-two regiments, with all the The SPEAKER. The Chair inquired if the performed, but I undertake to say that the post | artillery and all the cavalry, and all the extengentleman intended to oppose the amendment of a regimental adjutant or quartermaster, who sive bureaus, and all the munitions of war, merely for the purpose of equalizing the debate. is faithful to his duty, is no sinecure. The including powder, lead, and all else that may The gentleman can speak for or against the || duty which devolves upon him is very much be required to put an army in fighting order or bill, as he pleases, having obtained the floor. greater, and the responsibilities of his position to keep it in time of peace in a condition ready

Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. The gentleman are very much graver, than those which devolve | for fighting, is but $33,000,000. How, then, from Ohio (Mr. SCHENCK] has referred to the upon the lieutenant of a company; for when is it possible that each regiment, and particugenerals of our armies as the authority for de- the march was ended and the lieutenant of a larly each one of the infantry regiments (not termining the number of troops required in time company could lie down to rest, then the work | half so expensive as cavalry regiments) shall of peace. Now, we must all remember that of the regimental adjutant or the regimental cost half a million dollars per annum? there is some human nature in all of us. It is

quartermaster began; and it oftentimes lasted The amendment was not agreed to. quite natural for the men who command the until morning came, and the column was ready.

The next section was read, as follows: armies of the United States to desire that our to march again.

Sec. 9. And be it further enacted, That each regiArmy shall make a decent show in the world ; Now, sir, knowing that the labor and the ment in the service of the United States may have a that it should at least dignify the offices they hold | responsibilities of these men are so much

band, (as now provided by law,) and there shall be in connection with it. And I think myself that

one ordnance sergeant and one hospital steward for greater than those of the lieutenants, I am

each military post, and the same number of post chapthe policy of this bill is to make a brilliant army, | disposed to continue this provision-a provis- lains as now provided by law; and the President of one that will accord with the characters and ion which existed before the war, and has con

the United States is hereby authorized to appoint for brilliancy of the generals in command of it. tinued during the war-in this new Army bill.

each national cemetery now established, or that may If we had a different form of government

be established, a superintendent, with the rank, pay, I am therefore opposed to the amendment of and emoluments of an ordnance sorgeant, to be seI might "go in," as the saying is, for an army the gentleman.

lected from among those who were non-commissioned of half a million men, one able to make a Mr. SCHENCK. I hope the amendment

officers of volunteers in the Army of the United States

in the late war, and who have served faithfully and show before the monarchs of the world, one proposed by the gentleman from New York been disabled while in the line of their duty. able to control by force the people of this coun- will not prevail. I do not desire to add any. Mr. PAINE. I move to amend by striking try who now claim the right of self-govern. || thing to the reasons which have been given, out, after the word “that” in the first line, the ment. But under our form of government we drawn not only from practice, but from pro- || words "each regiment in the service of the Unidepend upon a virtuous and intelligent peo- priety, by the gentleman from Wisconsin who ted States may have a band, as now provided ple, devoted to a support of the Government has just taken his seat; but as the gentleman | by law," and inserting in lieu thereof the folwhich pleases them in every respect, and which from Illinois (Mr. HARDING] has referred, as lowing: makes their yoke easy, and their burden light. others have done in the course of this debate, Twenty bands, and no more, may be retained or Take away that resource for the protection of to the immense cost of an army, and have enlisted in the Army, with such organization as is now liberty and a free Government and you will find overstated it exceedingly under a misappre provided by law. to bo assigned to brigades in time

of war, and in time of peace to assembled brigades or po protection in a standing army. It is schooled hension, in consequence of not looking very to forts or posts at which the largest number of troops in the school of the tyrant and the monarch, | closely into the figures, I desire to make a shall be stationed. and if it does not ultimately become alien to statement to the House.

Mr. SCHENCK. I am inclined to agree with liberty and democracy, it will prove very dif- Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. I referred to the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. PAINE] ferent in this country from what it has ever the Committee on Military Affairs for infor- that such an amendment as this ought to be proved elsewhere. mation.

made. The provision during the war was for I will ask my friend from Wisconsin (Mr. Mr. SCHENCK. I will endeavor to give ll brigade bands for volunteers, the regular Army


having regimental bands. I incline to think tent to enlist men for the service who have been by the gentleman in reference to the experithat the drum and fife are about the best of wounded in the line of their duty while serving in music; but still bands have their use with others the Army of the United States, or who have been

ences that men acquire in the service and the disabled by disease contracted in such service: Pro- advantage of having old soldiers. He only who have more musical taste than I. These vided, It shall be found, on medical inspection, that concurs in the opinion of every officer who bands seem to have a very inspiriting effect at

by such wounds or disability they are not unfitted speaks on the subject. If it were left to the posts and with brigades or larger bodies.

for efficiency irr garrison or other light duty; and
such men, when enlistod, shall be assigned to service

oflicers themselves to settle the question, they I have no ol on to the amen nt, if it be

exclusively in the regiments of the Ve ran Reserve would require men to serve ten years instead 80 modified as to provide that these twenty bands corps.

of five. shall include the band at West Point.

Mr. GARFIELD. I move to strike out But when you come to legislate upon this Mr. PAINE. I accept the suggestion, and "three" and to insert "five,'' so as to make matter you must take into consideration the modify my amendment by striking out after the the term of enlistment five years instead of character of our people, the kind of men we words "twenty bands” the words, “and no three.

propose to fill up the ranks of the Army with. more," and by inserting in lieu thereof these I have not heard the reasons of the chair- | The question then becomes one of politics, or words: “including the band of the Military man of the committee, and although I would of political economy, and all that relates to the Academy."

prefer to hear them before speaking to my industrial pursuits of our people have to be Mr. SCHENCK. As it now stands the pro- amendment, I will yield to him or go on my- taken into consideration as well as the question vision will be for twenty bands only, instead self now.

of simply getting good veteran soldiers. of a band for each regiment of the Army. Inas- Mr. SCHENCK. I will follow the gentle- Now, sir, our Army is to be made up of men much as the band at West Point is now pro

drawn from all the walks of life. Young farmers, vided for I move to amend the amendment by Mr. GARFIELD. Mr. Speaker, I regard journeymen mechanics, and young men who adding at the close the words, “and the band it as one of the greatest evils that the Army of have not yet settled themselves in any particuat the Military Academy shall be placed on the the United States, even in the revolutionary lar pursuit, form the great body of the Army, same footing as other bands."

war, the war of 1812, or in the late war, has and by far its best material. And I undertake Mr. PAINE. I accept that as a modifica- ever been obliged to encounter, that is, these to say that three years carved out of the life of tion of my amendment.

short terms of enlistment. It almost ruined a young American belonging to either of these Mr. SCHENCK. I have offered this amend- us in the revolutionary war. It was almost classes is equal to about ten years taken out of ment for the reason that the cadets at West Point || equally damaging to the interests of the couns the slow life of a European. I mean to say that are now taxed twenty-five cents each per month try in the war of 1812. Every one knows how our young men are not willing as a body to give to support their band. I see no reason why that terrible was the result in making the terms of five years of their time to the service of the coundeduction should be made from the pay of enlistment so short during the late war. try, while hundreds and thousands of the very those young gentlemen. As that is an impor- Ohio, when the first call was made for troops, same young men might be willing to dedicate tant military post, the headquarters of the Engi had eighty-two thousand men offered to the three years to this military work. neer corps, the band at that place should be Government, and they would have been offered Take a young farmer eighteen years of age. put on the same footing as the bands of all other for five years or during the war as well as for He wants to see something of the world in a organizations of the Army..

three months if called for that time, but we new phase; he wants to look at it in a military Mr. VAN AERNAM. 'I move to amend were only authorized to receive them for three

aspect, and he is willing to enter the Army for the amendment of the gentleman from Wis- months. The consequence was that by the three years, but not to spare five years of his consin so as to make the number of the bands time we fairly got the troops into the field they | youth for that service and come back at the "seventeen" instead of "twenty." This will had to be mustered out. We raised twelve age of twenty-three, twenty-four, or twenty-five furnish a band to each of the generals in the months' troops, and nine months' troops, and to settle himself in life. service, and also a band for West Point. we were even guilty of the folly at one time of I go further than that. Though I am not

These bands, Mr. Speaker, are a very expen- raising hundred days' men. I know they did | given to vain-glorious praise of the people of sive luxury. A paymaster in the service of the good service. It was a mere accident in the this country, yet I believe that a young Amer. United States figured out for me this morning war that they did good service. It was the ican learns more and is worth more in his the monthly pay of a band, and it amounts to merest accident it was not twenty-five millions three years' service than most Europeans in ten $968. If these regimental bands be continued of money thrown away. As a matter of fact years. Our young men acquire military knowlwe shall incur an expense of more than half a I acknowledge they did good service.

edge quicker, they have more spirit, and they million dollars a year for this extra music. I Now, sir, we have the best material for an

perform military service better and they are agree with the chairman of the Committee on army ever offered to any Government in the

more fitted even for command after three years' Military Affairs in thinking that the drum and world out of which to make au army. We experience as privates than any other people on the fife are the only and the true martial music. have men who have had military experience the face of the earth. As that kind of music is already provided in crowding to get places in the Army. Let us I prefer, therefore, to accommodate our legisthe organization of the company, and of the now get an army that will last five years at lation somewhat to the character of the people regiment, I see no necessity for a greater num- least, and not after we have consolidated and

of the country, whom we expect to call upon ber of bands than seventeen. By reducing the crystallized it and made it an efficient body of to fill up and constitute the great body of our namber of bands it would reduce the expenses men have it go out of service to get other men standing Army or of any army that we ever put $3,000 a month. in again.

into the field. Mr. PAINE. I have no objection to reduce My amendment may be advocated on the

For these reasons, without dwelling upon the number of bands to seventeen, but I should score of economy. There is always some extra

them more at length-though much could be be sorry to place the amendment upon the same pay when men are mustered out at the expira- | said, perhaps, on both sides of this questionground upon which he places it. I should be tion of their term of enlistment. It will be a I am not convinced of the propriety of going unwilling to graduate the number of bands great saving to give this extra pay at the end back to the old terms of five years, particuaccording to the number of general officers. I of a five years' enlistment instead of at the end

larly when, as a part of the system, the Comsee no connection between them. At the same of a three years' enlistment. You will adopt the mittee on Military Affairs, looking to legisla' time I admit the number of bands should be as amendment, then, from motives of economy, tion upon this subject with a view to a cure of small as possible consistent with the good of but more than all other reasons for the pur- an evil, have proposed a bill (No. 450) to reg. the service. Therefore, but not for the same pose of having a well disciplined and perma- ulate the pay and compensation of officers and reason which the gentleman gives, I accept the nent army. I hope we will make the term of

soldiers of the Army. And as it may be proposition to reduce the number of bands to enlistment five years instead of three.

inconvenient for gentlemen to turn to their seventeen.

Mr. SCHENCK. Mr. Speaker, it is not the files to look at that bill I will read one of its Mr. VAN AERNAM. The gentleman from committee, but my colleague, [Mr. GARFIELD,] | provisions. Section four contains this praWisconsin has mistaken me when he alleges || that proposes to change the custom; for the vision : that my idea is to graduate the number of present term of service is three years. The

And be it further enacted, That the pay and allowbands by the number of general officers. My gentleman proposes to carry it back to what it ances of all non-commissioned officers and enlisted idea is to give a band to each unit. A brigade | was at the commencement of the war in the men in the Army of the United States shall continuo is a unit and is commanded by a brigadier regular Army, Now, I am not able, without the same as provided by the act entitled "An act to

increase the pay of soldiers in the United States general. I do not propose to furnish a band reference to the military law, to tell precisely Army, and for other purposes," approved June 20. simply because a man is a general in the Army. the date of the change in the law from three 1864, and by other existing laws; but hereafter each The amendment was agreed to. years' to five years' service.

enlisted man shall, instead of any allowance for

bounty, receive an increase on his pay proper of ono The Clerk read the next section, as fol

Mr. GARFIELD. In 1862, I think.

dollar per month for each month of faithful service lows:

Mr. SCHENCK. That was from five to in the second year of his enlistment, and a further SEC. 10. And be it further enacted, That all enlist- three. The experience acquired by our fatheus

like increase of one dollar more per month for faith.

ful service in the third year of his enlistment; and ments into the Army shall hereafter be for the term in the Revolution led them, in 1790 and 1791, of three years, and that but two fiehl officers shall be

when any soldier reënlists immediately, or within and thereafter by successive enactments, to fix ninety days after the expiration of a previous term appointed to any regiment until six companies of the regiment shall have been organized, and that the term of enlistment at three years, and it

of enlistment, it shall be counted as one continuous

term of enlistment, and he shall receive from year but two officers for each company shall be appointed was only some few years before the late rebel

to year additional pay at the rate of one dollar per until the minimum number of mon has been enlisted lion that the term was prolonged to five years.

month in each successivo year that he remains in the and the regiment duly organized; but recruits may

service. at all times be collected at the general rendezvous in

What the committee proposes now is, that addition to the number required to fill to their mini- || having changed it from five years to three in

At the proper time the committee hope to man all the regiments and companies of the Army: Provided, That such recruits shall not exceed in the 1862, we shall keep it as it is.

bave an opportunity of insisting upon that propaggregate three thousand mon. It shall be compe

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now existing, and of elevating the character of taken from the Speaker's table, read a first The previous question was seconded and the the service, as a scheme by means of which the and second time, and referred to the Com- main question ordered. services of the soldiers may be secured conmittee for the District of Columbia.

The question was put; and there were-ayes tinuously for the benefit of the Government. Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, moved to 25, noes 38; no quorum voting. And though it would seem to entail a heavy | reconsider the vote by which the, bill was re- Tellers were ordered; and Messrs. ROUSSEAU additional expense upon the Government, by ferred; and also moved that the motion to and GARFIELD were appointed. increasing the pay of the soldier a dollar a reconsider be laid upon the table.

The House divided ; and the tellers reported month for each successive year, so that he shall The latter motion was agreed to.

-ayes 45, noes 48. receive seventeen dollars a month the second

Mr. GÁRFIELD demanded the yeas and

REORGANIZATION OF TUE ARMY-AGAIN. year, eighteen dollars a month the third year,

nays, and called for tellers on the yeas and and nineteen dollars a month the fourth year,

The House resumed the consideration of the

nays. if he shall reënlist, and so on from year to year | bill for the reorganization of the Army.

Tellers were ordered; and Messrs. ALLISON of service, yet it is more than compensated even

The pending question was upon the motion

and GLOSSBRENNER were appointed. upon the score of economy, as a means of getof Mr. GARFIELD to amend the tenth section

The House divided; and the tellers reported ting rid of this whole difficult question of bounty | so as to make the term of enlistment five

-ayes twenty-one, noes not counted. hereafter, and substituting a gradual increase years instead of three years, as provided by

So the yeas and nays were ordered. of pay in its stead to the faithful soldier. And i the bill as reported.

The question was taken; and it was decided I hope we shall keep the time of three years

Mr. GARFIELD. I desire to say a word in

in the negative-yeas 40, nays 61, not voting, in this section. reply to what the chairman of the Military Com

82; as follows:
mittee (Mr. SCHENCK) has said in favor of three

YEAS - Messrs. Allison, Ames, Anderson, Boutyears' enlistments. He says he desires to encour: well, Bundy, Chanler, Conkling, Davis, Dixon, DonA message from the Senate, by Mr. Forney,

age the young men of this country to go into the nelly, Eldridge, Finck, Garfield, Glossbrenner, Hoits Secretary, informed the House that the Army a short time, to see life, to get a taste

gan, Edwin N. Hubbell. James M. Humphrey,

Jenckes, Kelley, Kelso, Marvin, McKeo, MeRuer, Senate had concurred in the amendment of

of military life, before they enter upon what Mercur, Newell, Niblack, Samuel J. Randall, the House to Senate resolution No. 29, for the will be their permanent pursuits of life. Now,

Shanklin, Smith, Spalding, Taber, Taylor, Trowtransfer of funds appropriated for the pay. || that may be very pleasant for the young men

bridge, Upson, Van Acrnam. Ward, Elibu B. Washment of salaries in the Post Office Department themselves; but it seems to me our true theory

burne, Wentworth, Williams, and Woodbridge-40.

NAYS— Messrs. Ancona, Baker. Baxter, Beaman, to the general salary account of that Depart- should be to legislate for the best interests of

Benjamin, Bingham, Blaine, Boyer, Broomall, Buckment.

land, Dawes, Driggs, Eckley, Eggleston, Farquhar, the Army and of the Government. Also, that the Senate had concurred in the

Ferry, Grider, Hale, Aaron Harding, Abner C. llard

The suggestion of the gentleman, however, ing, Hayes, Holmes, Chester D. Hubbard. Hulburd, amendments of the House to Senate bill No.

is but a part of the general principle which Kasson, Ketcham, Kuykendall, George V. Lawrence, 89, to issue American registers to the steam seems to be prevailing in this country, that

Loan, Lynch, Marshall, Marston, McClurg. Miller,

Morris, Nicholson, O'Neill, Paine, Patterson, Phelps, vessels Michigan, Despatch, and William K.

offices and positions of any sort are a kind of Price, John H. Rice, Ritter, Rollins, Ross, Rousseau, Muir, and for other purposes, with an amend- || gift, or rather a sort of plum-pudding, which

Schenck, Scofield, Shellabarger, Sitgreaves, Stevens, ment, in which the concurrence of the House | everybody has a right to take a bite of, and when

Thayer, Thornton, Robert T. Van Horn, Warner,

Henry D. Washburn, William B. Washburn. Welker, was requested.

he has had his bite, some one else should be Wholey, James F. Wilson, and Windom-61. MILITIA ORGANIZATION. allowed to take a bite.

NOT VOTING-Messrs. Alley. Delos R. Ashley,

James M. Ashley, Baldwin, Banks, Barker, Bergen, Mr. SMITH, by unanimous consent, from

Now, it occurs to me that offices and posi- Bidwell, Blow, Brandegee, Bromwell, Reader w.

Clarke, Sidney Clarke, Cobb, Coffroth, Cook, Culthe Committee on the Militia, reported'a bill tions are rather for the benefit of the Governto provide for the national defense by estabment than especially for the benefit of classes

lons, Culver, Darling, Dawson, Defrees. Delano, Dem

ins, Denison, Dodge, Dumont, Eliot, Farnsworth, lishing a uniform militia and organizing an of people. And if the principle of rotation

Goodyear, Grinnell, Griswold, Harris, Hart, Henderactive militia force throughout the United must be adopted in oflices generally, it occurs son, Hligby, Hill, Hooper, ilotchkiss, Asahel W. States; which was read a first and second to me that it had better not be adopted when we

Hubbard, Demas Hubbard, Jolin II. Ilubbard, James

R. lIubbell, James Humphrey, Ingersoll, Johntime, ordered to be printed, and recommitted are organizing a great army for a great Govern

son, Joncs, Julian, Kerr, Laflin, Latham, William to the Committee on the Militia.

ment. For my part, I believe that this habit Lawrence, Le Blond, Longyear, McCullough, Mcof encouraging our young men to dash into this

Indoe, Moorhead, Morrill, Moulton, Myers, Nocll, AMERICAN REGISTERS OF VESSELS.

Orth, Perham, Pike, Plants, Pomeroy, Radford, Willittle occupation and that little occupation,

liam H. Randall, Raymond, Alexander II. Rice, Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I ask having no fixed purpose, is a bad one, and I Rogers, Sawyer, Sloan, Starr, Stilwell, Strouse, unanimous consent to proceed to the consid- would be glad to discourage them from it by

Francis Thomas, John L. Thomas, Trimble, Burt

Van Horn, Stephen F. Wilson, Winfield, and eration of the amendment of the Senate to the making the term of service longer, so that the Wright-82. amendment of the House to Senate bill No. man who chooses the profession of arms shall So Mr. GARFIELD's amendment was disa89, to issue American registers to the steam vessels Michigan, Despatch, and William K. | chosen profession, and not merely for a short greed to. Muir, and for other purposes. time. Let them go into it for the purpose of

The Clerk read, as follows: There being no objection, the House pro- | making themselves soldiers, with the purpose

Sec. 11. And be it further enacted, That the Presi

dent of the United States is hereby authorized to ceeded to the consideration of the Senate of rising by their merits from the ranks, if

employ in the Territories and Indian country a force amendment.

possible, to the highest positions in the Army. of Indians, not to exceed one thousand, to act as The amendment was read, as follows:

We must consider, also, the immense extent scouts, who shall receive the pay and allowances of Add to the amendment of the House the following: of this country; we have to send men three or

cavalry soldiers, and be discharged whenever the

necessity for their further employment is abated, or And American registers or enrollment and license four thousand miles away, to points which it at the discretion of the department commander. to the following-named vessels; that is to say, the ship Screamer, now called Roamer, of Brunswick; takes six months to reach and six months to SEC. 12. And be it further enacted, That there shall

be one lieutenant general, five major generals, and Maine; the barge Mary, of Detroit; the steam-tug come back from, thus using up a year in going

ten brigadier gcnerals, who shall have the same pay Sampson, of Detroit; the schooners Caledonia and and coming. Then it takes one year to fit them and emoluments, and be entitled to the same staff Enterprise, of Detroit; and the Anglo-Saxon, a Canadian-built vessel.

for duty, leaving, if you fix the term at three officers in number and grade, as now provided by law. Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I move to years, only one year for efficient service. I hope | tant General's department of the Aripyshall hereafter

SEC. 13. And be it further enacted, That the Adjuamend the amendment of the Senate by strik

we shall not limit ourselves to that point. consist of the number of officers now authorized by I know that there are advantages to the per:

law, namely, one adjutant general, with the rank, pay, ing out the words “now called Roamer.

and emoluments of a brigadier general; two assistThe amendment to the amendment was sons enlisted in such a system, and feel myself

ant adjutant generals, with the rank, pay, and emolagreed to.

to be, in some sort, a brevet member of the uments of colonels of cavalry; four adjutants, with The amendment, as amended, was then

Committee on Military Affairs. I would always the rank, pay, and cmoluments of lieutenant colorather work with its chairman than against him.

nels of cavalry, and thirteen adjutants, with the rank, concurred in.

pay, and emoluments of majors of cavalry. But after I do not believe, however, that he makes much the first appointments made under the provisions of Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I move to point on this matter. I believe that by and by

this section, as vacancies may occur in the graule of reconsider the vote by which the amendment he will be better satisfied if we have a perma

major, no appointment shall be made to all such of the Senate was concurred in as amended ; || nent army based on the five years' principle,

vacancy until the number of majors in the depart

ment shall be reduced to ten, to which number the and I also move to lay the motion to reconsider which has prevailed far more in the Govern

said grade shall thereafter be limited. upon the table.

ment than the three years' principle has done. Mr. GARFIELD. I desire to ask the chairThe latter motion was agreed to.

We reduced the term of service to three years man of the committee to explain to the House, APPROPRIATIONS FOR INDIAN TREATIES.

merely to meet the present necessities of the before we pass from this thirtcenth section, preOn motion of Mr. STEVENS, Senate joint

Governinent at a time when it was difficult to cisely what is meant by the creation of this new

We found it troublesome then to get office of “adjutant" in the staff department. resolution No. 69, making an appropriation | get men,

I would like to know whether these officers, to enable the President to negotiate treaties erfolgh men who were willing to go into the with certain Indian tribes, was taken from the service for five years. But now, when we have called “adjutayts' will be eligible to promo

men in abundance who are just as ready to Speaker's table, read a first and second time, enter the service for five years as for three, it this is a new office which is created'; and if so,

tion in the regular staff department, or whether and referred to the Committee on Appropriations.

seems to me that we ought not to omit the op- what is its grade? It is evidently an innora

portunity to get an army for the full term of tion upon the present mode of organizing that CANAL AND SEWERAGE COMPANY.

five years, and make it a great, solid, perma- staff; and I would like to hear the reason for On motion of Mr. INGERSOLL, Senate nent body of men.

the change. bill No. 190, to incorporate the District of I move the previous question on my amend. Mr. SCHENCK. Nothing whatever was Columbia Canal and Sewerage Company, was

meant by the committee except to get rid of a long, lumbering title. In reorganizing the Mr. WOODBRIDGE. And in the pay


army, sir, in the military sense of that word. Adjutant General's department we thought it department.

It will not be an army which could oppose a well to drop the words *s assistant adjutant gen- Mr. THAYER. And also in the pay depart. | respectable mob. It will be, sir, itself but a eral," as now applied to every officer, even of ment. The officers holding commissions, or at mob. the most subordinate grade in that department, any rate a great part of them, in these depart- Now, the section which I propose to substiand to call these officers simply what they are, ments of the Army are, by a few strokes of the tute is the corresponding provision of the Senadjutants. Each regiment has its adjutant, \ gentleman's pen, driven out of the Army of the ate bill; and I propose to follow it, if it shall who is known as regimental adjutant; then United States and deprived of their commis- be adopted by the House, by proposing similar there are other adjutants; and at the head of sions; and he tells us in justification of a meas- substitutes in the case of all those provisions them all is an Adjutant General who bears a ure so sweeping as that, so indefensible and so which in my judgment affect injuriously the relation upon the general staff to the Army such full of injustice, that it is a mere question of staff corps of the Army. The substitute which as adjutants of regiments do to the organizations | words whether a man is to be called an adju- | I offer does not disturb the present organizato which they belong. We thought it unneces- tant or assistant adjutant general. Does not tion of the Army. It leaves it, as regards this sary, either in the quartermaster's department || every man know an officer who is assistant staff corps, untouched. As it is now it does or in the Adjutant General's Office, to continue | adjutant general in the United States Army no injustice; it deprives no officer of his comforever the cumbrous titles, “ assistant quarter- holds his commission in that capacity and holds mission without a hearing; it turns out no faithmaster" or "assistant adjutant general." In no other commission? The rank he holds is ful officer from the service; it violates no prinreorganizing what relates to the adjutancy of | simply incident to the office he holds, and when ciple, and is no injurious innovation. It is the Army, that portion of the staff through you abolish the office he holds you deprive him simply the preservation of what already exists, which orders issue, and which thus has the of his employment and his commission. and what, in my judgment, is infinitely better general supervision or direction, under the Is there any man in the House who has read than the experiment which is proposed. proper commanding officers, of 'whatever is this bill who will undertake to deny that this is Mr. BLAÎNE. I desire to say a single word done, it seemed to us entirely unnecessary to the legal effect of the section under considera- in regard to the pending section. The chairperpetuate these long titles. tion? I apprehend not.

man of the committee is very well aware-and The gentleman inquires whether these adju- The same thing, as I have already said, will it is not improper for me to say it—that as a tants will be entitled to promotion as in other be accomplished by subsequent sections in ref- member of the committee I have differed from cases. Of course they will. They are a part erence to the other staff corps of the Army, if him in regard to this bill as regards the staff of the same general department, occupying this bill shall become a law in its present shape. corps. The gentleman from Pennsylvania, their several ranks, some as majors, some as All these gentlemen, some of whom have been i [Mi. THAYER,J I think, would not have shown lieutenant colonels, some as colonels; but we in the Army of the United States, for many years so much indignation against the committee if have restricted the title “ assistant adjutant -one of them, as I know, over forty years— he had understood the origin of this nomengeneral to the two assistants of the Adjutant || officers who have spent their lives in the service clature, as applied to the staff corps. I will General, who in his absence may be called upon of the country, and who have greatly aided in state how this change of nomenclature origito occupy temporarily his position. The pro- conducting it triumphantly through the late nated. vision of the bill, therefore, is for “one adju- || great war, are to be condemned unheard and The Quartermaster General of the Army, tant general, with the rank, pay, and emolu. driven from the Army. They are not to have an oflicer for whom I have a most profound ments of a brigadier general; two assistant accorded to them even the poor privilege of respect, was at my instance invited before the adjutant generals, with the rank, pay, and being, tried by the star-chamber proceeding | Military Committee to discuss the affairs relatemoluments of colonels of cavalry. Then the provided for in the thirty-third section of the ing to his department, and this is the departbill goes on to provide for "- four adjutants, with | bill.

ment to which the gentleman has referred with the rank, pay, and emoluments of lieutenant By the thirty-third section the committee the most zeal. colonels of cavalry, and thirteen adjutants, with invite us to provide a grand council to indict Mr. THAYER. No, sir; my amendment the rank, pay, and emoluments of majors of the two thousand or more officers of the Army does not relate to that departinent. You have caralry." If this mode of simplifying the matter of the United States. This grand inquisition | made this change in the Adjutant General's should not, in the opinion of members of the is to present them for trial before a petit jury department. House, conform to good taste or propriety, they of three officers, who, I say without hesitation, Mr. BLAINE. Do not interrupt me at this will of course correct our correction.

are armed by the terms of the bill with the moment. The Quartermaster General himself Mr. THAYER. I move to amend by strik- power of conviction, but with no power of suggested that the titles in the staff corps, paring out the thirteenth section, and inserting in 1 acquittal.

ticularly relating to his own, were unduly long lieu thereof the following:

You do not even offer to the poor assistant and cumbersome, and he asked that they should And be it further enacted. That the Adjutant Gen- | adjutant generals--the seventeen you propose be changed and made verbatim, literatim, et eral's department of the Army shall hereafter consist to immolate by this section-the chance to be punctuatim as they are in this bill. And it of the officers now authorized by law, namely: one adjutant general with the rank, pay,and emoluments

presented by this grand council and tried by was as a convenience to him that it was done. of a brigadier general; two assi: tant adjutant gen- your petit jury of three. You turn them out And now that the gentleman from Pennsylerals with the rank, pay, and emoluments of colonels

of the Army without trial, without examina- vania should suppose that it was the design of of cavalry; four assistant adjutant generals with the rank, pay, and emoluments of lieutenant colonels of tion, nay, without accusation.

the Military Committee to legislate a set of cavalry, and thirteen assistant adjutant generals with I thought, sir, when the gentleman from Illi- gentlemen out of office by a change of nomen. the rank, pay, and emoluments of majors of cavalry.

pois [Mr. HARDING) a few moments ago, speak- || clature, I can hardly think he is serious about it. Mr. Speaker, what I propose as a substitute | ing of this bill, said that the idea was to make I agree with him that that change would have for this section is the corresponding section of a brilliant army, he was indulging in a display that effect

. I am not in favor of the change; the Senate bill. It leaves the present organi- of that parliamentary irony which the gentie- but I want to say that it was the furthest from zation of the Adjutant General's department man from Ohio condemned yesterday in the the intention of the committee to do anything unchanged. Now, sir, I wish to say, in regard | gentleman from New York, [Mr. Chanler.] more than to accede to the wishes of the de. to what has fallen from the chairman of the | Sir, it may be a brilliantarıny after you have per- | partments, as they thought were expressed committee, that I am surprised that he should | petrated this great injustice and swept out all the through this chief. take the view that the effect of the section as officers on the various staffs who have been doing Now, one word about the Adjutant General's it stands in this bill is simply to change the service there, some of them during the greater department. If I cannot have a better amendtitle of an office. The effect of the alteration part of their lives, and faithful and eminent ser- ment than the one the gentleman from Pennmade by the bill before the House is really to vice, too, without so much as a trial or accusa- sylvania [Mr. Tuayen] has offered, I shall vote legislato out of the Army of the United States tion. It may be a brilliant army, in your esti- for that. I think the argument of the chairman no less than thirteen of its regular officers, and mation, after you have incorporated into your of the committee in regard to curtailing the size to deprive them of their commissions.

law the twenty-ninth section, which gives the of this staff corps is unsound. The section proMr. HALE. Seventeen.

President of the United States power to trans- vides that after a certain time the assistant Mr. THAYER. Yes, sir; seventeen. fer an officer at his volition from the staff to adjutants of the corps shall be reduced to ten.

There is something more than a mere matter the line, from one staff corps to another staff Here let me state a fact. When the war of verbal taste in a proposal of that kind; some- corps, from one arm of the regular service to broke out in 1861, with a little army of eleven thing more than a mere preference for a par. another arm of the service, to swap them about | thousand men, capable of being enlarged to ticular word.

as politicians may request for the benefit of nineteen thousand, there were fourteen offiNow, sir, as this is a point of the gentleman's their favorites and followers. It may be a cers in the Adjutant General's department, bill where is commenced a process which, if brilliant


in your estimation, if you adopt and it was not considered too many. During carried out, would undermine and disorganize the twenty-eighth section and destroy the great | the war it was increased by six. And now, the whole system of the Army of the United and just principle of promotion by seniority in with an army four or five times as great, there States as it is at present organized, I desire to service (a principle which I maintain to be the are only six added, making twenty. You have call the attention of the House to the changes only just and proper one regulating promo, not increased them fifty per cent., while you which are initiated in the thirteenth section, tions under our system of government) and increase the Army fourfold. I think, instead of now pending. The same operation which is substitute for it a political scramble for pro- decreasing the number, it ought to be increased. performed by this section on the Adjutant Gen- motion. I say, when you do all this injustice When the generals in convention-Generals eral's department is by subsequent sections and make all these disorganizing changes you Grant, Meade, and Sherman-recommended performed on the quartermaster's department may have perhaps what may be ironically that there should be seventeen of these officers and on the subsistence department

termed a brilliant army, but it will not be an the committee in the Senate agreed to it, but

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