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United States equal to that which the larger period of the day and asks for an adjournment | Minnesota? In the year 1864 there were polled States were to receive. The States that were to enable him to be heard.
upon the presidential contest 42,238 votes. In then the largest-New York, Pennsylvania, and Mr. SHERMAN. The gentleman from the year 1865, in the contest of that year for Virginia-were not only through their delegates Maryland does not ask it.
Governor, there were polled but 31,000 votes, in the Convention, but with, I believe, almost Mr. JOHNSON. I am in the hands of the and yet in that year 'the census of the State the unanimous opinion of the people of those Senate.
evidenced a population of 250,000. several States opposed to giving the smaller Mr. GRIMES. The Senator yielded the Mr. JOHNSON. What is the conclusion States an equal voice in the Senate of the Uni. floor to me to move an adjournment.
to which the honorable Senator comes from ted States. It was said that such an equality The yeas and nays were ordered.
those facts? was not republican, that it cas hostile to all
Mr. POMEROY. I understood the Senator
Mr. RAMSEY. I arrive at this conclusion: the ideas of republican liberty entertained at from Maryland to say that he was willing to go
that notwithstanding the increase of populathat period ; and it was not until they became
tion there was a diminution of votes. There satisfied that the Constitution would not be Mr. JOHNSON. I said I was in the hands is a difficulty in these new and frontier States adopted without it, that they agreed to give of the Senate.
in the people getting to the polls, so that somethe smaller States an equality of representa- Mr. POMEROY. If he is willing to go on
times there is a diminution of votes when there tion in this body, counteracting the admitted I shall vote against adjourning.
is not of population. mischief of that inequality by providing for a
Mr. JOHNSON. But does the honorable
The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. numerical representation in the other branch
Mr. STEWART. I desire to say that Mr.
member deny the fact which I have stated, that of Congress. Harris and Mr. HEŅDERSON have paired off.
for the most part the emigrants, particularly to I think, therefore, Mr. President, it may
Mr. DOOLITTLE. I desire to state that
a Territory such as Colorado, are emigrants safely be said that if it had been proposed in Mr. Dixon, and Mr. LANE, of Kansas, have
without families? That I suppose we all know that Convention that any State should there paired off.
to be true beyond all doubt; and the general after be admitted with a population anything The result was announced-yeas 14, nays
rule as to the proportion of voters to people like as small as is the population of Colorado, 21; as follows:
does not apply to such a population as is in rating it at the highest number which the
one of these Territories. But independent of
YEAS-Messrs. Buckalew, Cowan, Davis, Doolitfriends of this measure say is to be found there, tle, Edmunds, Foster, Grimes, Guthrie, Hendricks,
that, if you deduct the six or ten thousand it would not have received the vote of a single Johnson, Morgan, Poland, Riddle, and Sumner-14. Mexicans who form now a part of the popmember of that Convention; it would not have
NAYS-Messrs. Chandler, Clark, Conness, Cragin,
ulation of that Territory from the 35,000 Creswell, Howard, Howo, Kirkwood, Lane of India received the vote of the members who repre. ana. Nye, Pomeroy, Ramsey. Sherman, Sprague,
claiming to be there, and suppose that one sented the larger States. They consented to Stewart, Trumbull, Van Winkle, Wade, Willey, half of those who did yote were voters without give to the smaller States the equality of repre
Williams, and Wilson-21.
families, you find the population to be in all sentation only because they became satisfied senden, Harris, Ilenderson, Lanc of Kansas, McDou- probability not more than 15,000. But supthat without it the Union would not be formed gall, Morrill, Nesmith, Norton, Saulsbury, Wright, pose it to be 35,000. It is true that the Con. which they had so much at heart; and the and Yates-14.
stitution of the United States in no part of it, smaller States had the larger ones practically
So the Senate refused to adjourn.
with reference to the admission of new States, in their power, looking to the object which the Mr. JOHNSON. Mr. President, I rather | prescribes any number of population of which larger Siates had in view as well as the smaller regret that the motion was made because we the State is to consist ; but if they had conStates. Each of these States, small as well as have lost so much time by it. Perhaps I am templated as possible that the Congress of the large, was at that time perfectly independent; || as able to go on now as I should be in the United States under that authority would have each was a nation of itself, invested with all morning. I made no request of the Senate to admitted any State with a population such as the attributes of nationality; and there was no adjourn, because I was unwilling to put the is the population of Colorado, supposing it to means by which the larger States could enforce Senate to any inconvenience or to keep them be the largest number which any person has a union or could persuade the smaller States from voting upon this bill, if they were desirous stated it to be, they would have prevented it, to adopt a constitution by which that Union was of voting upon it at this time. I am the more in my judgment, by constitutional prohibition. to be formed and perpetuated, as they hoped the willing to go on now, because I have some What did they do? A great many of the Union which they wished to form would be, reason to believe that some of the Senators are members of the Convention were members of except upon the condition that they would listen in a better condition than some others. They the First Congress. In 1790 Congress directed to the demands, in the particular of equal rep- perhaps have dined.
the first census to be taken. In 1792, when resentation in the Senate of the United States, I was saying, Mr. President, when the motion they came to apportion the members the States made by the smaller States.
was made that if the proposition had come from were to have, they directed that there should At that time there were but thirteen States any member ofthe Convention that States there- be only one Representative for every thirty-two in the Union, or about to come into the Union. after to be admitted might be admitted if they or thirty-three thousand of the population, so They had gone through a common struggle. had a population such as is the population of that the very men, or most of the leading men Each had brought to the contest which resulted Colorado, the suggestion would not have re- who constituted the Convention, when they came in our independence an equal loyalty and an ceived the sanction of any other member of the to act upon the question how the people were to equal patriotism, and all felt, the large as well | body. Now, what is this population? The be represented, provided that 33,000 should be as the small, a natural solicitude that there largest number that I have heard it estimated necessary in order to be represented by one should be no separation in the future. Having at is 35,000. Of that 35,000, 6,000 at least, | Representative. And now what are we about gone through as one people the perils of the some have stated it to be 10,000, consists of the to do? To let these twenty or thirty thousand Revolution, they were willing, more than will- | original population of the Territory, Mexicans persons be represented by one meinber cering, they were anxious, that they should remain by birth, wholly unacquainted with our institu- tainly in the House of Representatives, although as one people. While, therefore, the larger || tions, and who I understand, so far from join- the number now required as the basis of repreStates were of opinion, and for a long time || ing in the application to have this Territory sentation in that House is 127,000, and to give unwillingly advocated it, that there should not admitted as a State, are against it. But in rela- them two Senators on this floor, and why? I be equality of representation in this body, they | tion to the population of 35,000, I think it will do not speculate as to motive; I have no right finally yielded it because in the past the smaller | be found that in point of fact the population is to speculate as to motive; but why is it necesand the larger States had constituted practically much below that number. I found that opinion | sary? Is it to protect the people of the Terbut one nation.
upon the vote which has been given upon the ritory? Cannot we protect them by our own Mr. GRIMES. If the Senator will give way, several occasions when a vote has been given || legislation? What is the condition of the peoI move that the Senate adjourn.
in this Territory. The usual estimate is, and I ple of this District, numbering now more than Mr. WILSON. I hope not.
believe it is found to be true, that for every 100,000? They are not to constitute a State Mr. GRIMES. I withdraw the motion merely vote there are in addition some four persons; at any time. We are their representatives, for the purpose of saying that it must be evi- that is to say, five persons furnish one vote. and under the Constitution we are alike the dent to the gentlemen who have charge of this That is because in the general and in most of representatives of all who may settle in these bill that there is no desire to speak against the older States the voters are heads of families Territories before they are in a condition to be time. Two thirds of all the speaking that has or connected with families. The Senate must received into the Union of States. been done to-day has been by the friends of see that the emigrants to these new Territories In my judgment, the admission of States into the biil. It is past the usual hour of adjourn- for the most part do not take their families with this Union is a high function and a very imporing. I do not know of anybody who desires || them; they are for the most part young men, tant function. Some of the honorable gentle. to speak at all on the subject except the Sen- men in search of fortune, experimenting with men who are favoring this bill may, perhaps, ator from Maryland. I therefore move that a view to fortune, and they leave behind them not consider it so important as I do, because the Senate do now adjourn.
eir families, those who have them ; but for they give a latitudinarian construction to the Mr. SHERMAN. I call for the yeas and the most part those who go into the wilderness | Constitution, of which, in my judgment, it does nays, because there is a pressure of public in search of a new home go without families, not admit. They seem to believe that they can business, and this thing has occupied now and particularly those who go into a country legislate for the States after they get into the several days. I think the discussion has gone where gold or silver is supposed to exist. Union. My opinion is that the moment the as far as is necessary.
Mr. RAMSEY. Will the honorable Sena- State is admitted it is wholly independent of Mr. GRIMES. I trust we shall have the tor from Maryland, now that he is speaking on any legislation that Congress may adopt, ex: yeas and nays, and let us see whether or not the point of the voting population as the test cept such as falls within its delegated powers; members of this body are afraid to have their of the real population, allow me to call his that nearly the whole sphere of subjects with names recorded when a gentleman rises at this II attention to what has occurred in the State of ll which the local rights of the State are concerned, or the business of the people of the the measure, but there is another reason which enabling act as was passed in 1864, rejecting State is concerned, is to be submitted to the operates influentially with me. There is noth- the present application to be admitted and legislation of the State, and entirely independ- | ing to show that the people of the Territory | put the question again to the people of Coloent of that which Congress may think proper to even desire it-nothing satisfactory to my rado, they will vote against coming into the adopt. And I submit to those who are about || judgment. The only majority claimed is 155 Union. I have said, Mr. President, substanto vote for this proposition that it is not repub- out of a vote of some 6,000, and I suppose it | tially what I rose for the purpose of stating, lican in point of form. I do not mean upon is perfectly legitimate to infer that in the 6,000 not as well perhaps as I should have stated it the ground upon which my friend from Massa- who voted not one of the native Mexican pop- in the morning if there had been an adjourn: chusetts places it, or on which the Senator froin ulation is to be found. And how was the elec. ment; and now close, by saying that I shall Vermont places it; but in the true sense of a tion held? Not held under your enabling act not vote on the question, because I have republican government, it is not right in prin- || of March, 1864. They did not pretend to hold | paired off with one of the Senators from Illiciple to give to fifteen or twenty thousand peo- under that enabling act.
nois who is not now in his seat, [Mr. Yates.] plean equal voice in this body with one or two Mr. HOWARD. Mr. President
The PRESIDING OFFICER, (Mr. CLARK or three millions.
Mr. JOHNSON. It is pretty late to be in the chair.) The question is, Will the SenThe time may come when those who are for interrupted.
ate reconsider the vote by which they refused receiving now the State of Colorado, with that Mr. HOWARD. I was merely going to make to order the bill to be engrossed for a third limited population, may regret the precedent a correction.
reading? And on that question the yeas and that will be established if she shall be received. Mr. JOHNSON. What is the correction? nays have been ordered. The admission of States is not to terminate I will hear the correction.
Mr. SUMNER. I had intended to say somewith that of Colorado. There is an immense Mr. HOWARD. I was going to say that thing before the debate closed in reply to dif territory yet to come in when it comes to be the documents which are before us show that ferent Senators who have spoken. What I sufficiently peopled. There is in some of these the Mexican population in those two counties said yesterday has been alluded to by various States now territory enough and population to which the Senator refers voted at the most Senators and has been criticised. I do not enough to make a dozen States. If the Union recent election of members of the Legislature || wish to occupy the time of the Senate. I hope is restored actually to-morrow, and the whole of Colorado, participated fully in that election, || I have not abused its indulgence; but I feel of the southern States come in, they may have a and also voted on the question of adopting the strongly on this question, and I feel that the policy of their own. They may think it neces- constitution itself. They cast a very large Senate is about to make a great mistake. I sary, in order to carry out that policy, to divide vote.
make no question with regard to the motives their own States; to make of Texas four; to Mr. JOHNSON. I understand, outside of of Senators. I concede freely to all about make of Georgia just as many almost as they the constitution itself and the record of the me what I claim for myself. I feel, however, may think proper to make, for she has forty times actual vote, that the whole Mexican popula. | that they are about to make a great mistake; the population of Colorado; to make of Vir- tion are decidedly opposed to the admission of but it is too late for argument; I know that ginia as many; and what will the States of the State.
nothing I could say would influence a vote; New England be able to say in opposition if Mr. HOWARD. They were opposed to and my only motive now in speaking would be Colorado should be admitted ? Virginia will becoming part of the United States.
to vindicate myself. There is nobody out of insist, because it is sure to be so in the end, Mr. JOHNSON. But they are a part of the this Chamber that at this moment I care to that having a population of five or ten millions
United States now,
reach on this question; I only wish to reach she ought to be represented upon this floor by Mr. RAMSEY. I think the only votes in my associates in this body; I wish to appeal more than two Senators, and insist upon a Colorado against the constitution were the votes to them and to plead with them not to make division of her State into as many States as of that Mexican population. The American the sacrifice which it seems to me they will her policy for the time may dictate. How can you | population all voted for it.
make if they take the step which is now prorefuse to allow it? In the first place, you cannot Mr. JOHNSON. All? That is not my infor- posed. I will not detain the Senate, however, refuse her on principles. In the second place, mation.
by another word. upon the hypothesis which I have assumed, Mr. RAMSEY. Substantially all.
The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. you will not be able to refuse her by votes. Mr. JOHNSON. But how was the election Mr. WADE. I ought to state that I have What is to become of the New England States held? You passed the enabling act in March, || paired off with the Senator from Pennsylvania, and the smaller States which are here upon 1864, and you provided specialy how it was to [Mr. Cowan.] the sea-board? I do not mention it by way of be held, and you were very cautious in those Mr. DOOLITTLE. I was requested to state, a threat, for threats are thrown away, as I trust, | provisions. They were intended to guard | by the Senator from Connecticut, [Mr. Dixon,] upon the members of this body; l' appeal to it against fraud; they were designed that notice that he had paired off with the Senator from merely for the purpose of bringing to the atten. should be given to everybody; there was pro- Kansas, (Mr. LANE.] He would have voted tion of the Senate a fact which I think should
tection against improper voting. How has this “nay;,' the Senator from Kansas would have enter into their deliberations as statesmen upon constitution been adopted? Rejected at the voted yea.' the possible tendency of this measure. election held under your enabling act of 1864 Mr. GRIMES. By the authority of the Sen
The honorable menber from Nevada (Mr. by a majority of 3,000 or 4,000 in a vote of ator from Maine [Mr. FESSENDEN) I secured a NYE] who spoke so well yesterday-and the not more than 7,000, it is now carried by 155 ; | pair for him with the Senator from Oregon, same thing has been said in substance by but how was that election held? The Territo- || [Mr. Williams.) Had he been here he would others-seemed to suppose that these people rial Legislature itself, even, did not pass an act have voted in the negative. bave a right to be admitted because of the authorizing the convention to be held. The Mr. STEWART. I am requested by Mr. extent of this Territory and the extent of the presiding officers of the partisan committees, Harris to state that he is paired off with Mr. mineral wealth. That is not my idea of a State, as I understand, or those who represented the HENDERSOX. Mr. HARRIS would have voted Mr. President; and that is not the idea that political parties into which the population of against the reconsideration, Mr. HENDERSON our fathers had. The States that they designed || the Territory was supposed to be divided, got || for it. were States to be composed of men and not of together and themselves devised the mode by Mr. JOHNSUN. As I said just now, I am mere wealth. Otherwise the city of New York which the convention should be elected ; but paired off with Governor Yates, of Illinois. might furnish fifty States if wealth only was to provision as to who was to vote, under what Mr. RIDDLE. My colleague [Mr. Saulsbe the test by which States are to be consti. sanctions the vote was to be given, how fraudu- || BURY] has paired off with the Senator from tuted. It is not the wealth in the mountains lent attempts at voting were to be frustrated, Minnesota (Mr. NORTON] on this question. or the wealth in the pockets of the citizens; it is how they were to be punished if successfully | He wouid have voted "nay' if he were here. the citizens. The mere suggestion that twenty | attempted, is nowhere to be found, and nobody •Mr. WILLIAMS. I am paired with Mr. or thirty thousand people of all sorts, consti- can tell whether the whole of that majority of FESSENDEN. tuted of men, women, and children, native Mex- 155 was not the result of illegal voting.
Mr. McDOUGALL. Permit me to ask a icans, and others, are to be put upon the same It would seem to be hard, very hard, that question for information. Do pairs count? footing in this body with the great State of New you should force upon such a minority as Do they help to make a quorum? York seems to me-- I was about to say to be so voted against this constitution a State govern- The "PRESIDING OFFICER. They are absurd-to be so anti-republican that the people ment. They think, and think properly, that not counted. of the country will never sanction it. If you they may be taxed beyond their ability to The result was announced-yeas 19, nays can let a State in with 15,000, why not let her meet it. They think it is better for them to 13; as follows: in with 5,000? The honorable member from remain in a territorial condition. Some of YEAS-Messrs. Chandler. Clark, Conness, Cragin, Oregon stated that there was nothing in the the most thoughtful, some of the most loyal | Creswell, Howard. Howe. Kirkwood, Lane of Indiana, Constitution which limits the number of people
Nye, Pomeroy, Ramsey, Sherinan, Sprague, Stewart, to the Territory think so. We all know how
Trumbull, Van Winkle, Willey, and Wilson-19. that is to constitute a State. That is true. these conventions are got up. Gentlemen are NAYS-Messrs. Buckalew, Davis, Doolittle, EdWell, if in the absence of any particular provis- || anxious to come to Congress, to the Senate
munds, Foster, Grimes, Guthric, Hendricks, Mcion on that subject in the Constitution, you can and to the House; anxious to receive the
Dougall. Morgan, Poland, Riddle, and Sumner-13.
ABSENT-Messrs. Anthony, Brown, Cowan, Dixon, let in Colorado although she has a population || offices which will be at the disposition of the Fessenden, Harris, Henderson, Johnson. Lane ot of only fifteen or twenty thousand you could Executive after they are admitted; but the
Kansas, Morrill, Nesmith, Norton, Saulsbury, Wade,
Williams, Wright, and Yates-17. let in any other territorial possession that we body of the people have no such interest. It hare if it should turn out to have a population is better for them, until they have a fixed and
So the motion to reconsider was agreed to. of 3,000 and should ask for it.
permanent existence as a people, that they The PRESIDING OFFICER. The bill is It is, therefore, upon the ground of the want should remain in a territorial condition; and now before the Senate and open to amendment. of population principally that I am opposed to I have no doubt that if you pass such an If no amendment be proposed, the question is,
Shall the bill be engrossed and read a third on live animals was read twice by its title and time?
referred to the Committee on Finance. Mr. SUMNER. I hope the Senate will now Mr. TRUMBULL. I move that the Senate adjourn. There are a couple of amendments i adjourn. which I have to move to the bill. I do not The motion was agreed to; and the Senate wish to move them to-night.
adjourned. Several Senators. Oh, yes; move them
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Mr. SUMNER. Senators say, "Oh, yes,
WEDNESDAY, April 25, 1866. move them now.” I hope the Senate will adjourn. I move an adjournment.
The Honse met at twelve o'clock m. Prayer The motion was not agreed to.
by Rev. HENRY N. Bellows. Mr. SUMNER. I have an amendment to
The Journal of yesterday was read and move. It is to add at the end of the bill the approved. following proviso:
TELEGRAPII TO TIE EST INDIES. Provided, That this act shall not take effect, ex
Mr. ELIOT. I ask unanimous consent to cept upon the fundamental condition that within the
report from the Committee on Commerce SenState there shall be no denial of the elective franchise
ate bill No. 26, concerning telegraphic comor of any other rights on account of color or race, but all persons shall be equal before the law. And the munication between the United States and the people of the Territory shall, by a majority of the island of Cuba, and other West India islands, voters therein, at such places and under such regu
and the Bahamas. lations as shall be prescribed by the Governor thereof, declare their assentto this fundamentalcondition,and Mr. CHANLER. I object. the Governor shall transmit to the President of the United States an authentic statement of such assent
DUTIES ON IMPORTS. whenever the same shall be given, upon the receipt
Mr. BOUTWELL. I ask unanimous conwhereof heshall, by proclamation, announce the fact; whereupon, without any further proceedings on the
sent to introduce a bill to amend an act entipart of Congress, this act shall take effect.
tled "An act further to provide for the colOn that I ask for the yeas and nays.
lection of duties on imports.” The yeas and nays were ordered, and being
Mr. ROSS. Does it increase the duties on taken, resulted-yeas 7, nays 27; as follows: imports? YEAS-Messrs. Edmunds, Foster, Grimes, Ilowe,
Mr. BOUTWELL. No, sir. This bill has Morgan, Poland, Sumner-7.
been drawn with great care by well-informed NAYS-Messrs. Buckalew, Chandler, Clark, Conness, Cragin, Creswell, Davis, Doolittle, Guthrie, Hen
persons on the subject, and the committee wish dricks, Howard, Johnson, Kirkwood, Lane of Indi
the benefit of having it printed, ana, McDougall, Nye, Pomeroy, Ramsey, Ridille, The bill was read a first and second time, Sherman, Sprague, Stewart, Trumbull, Van Winkle, Willey, Williams, and Wilson--27.
referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, ABŠENT-Messrs. Anthony, Brown,Cowan, Dixon,
and ordered to be printed. Fessenden, Harris, Henderson, Lane of Kansas, Morrill, Nesmith, Norton, Saulsbury, Wade, Wright, and
PERSONAL EXPLANATION. Yates-15.
Mr. SHANKLIN. I rise to make a perSo the amendment was rejected.
sonal explanation. I discover that I am reThe bill was ordered to be engrossed for a ported by the Chronicle and National Intellithird reading, and was read the third time. gencer a few days since as having perpetrated
Mr. SUMNER. I ask for the yeas and nays a long written speech in the House on last on the passage of the bill.
Saturday, a thing, sir, that I never did, never The yeas and nays were ordered.
expect to do, and do not know that I could do. The Secretary proceeded to call the roll. My colleague [Mr. RITTER] is entitled to the
Mr. GRIMES (when Mr. FESSENDEN's name honor of having made the speech referred to. was called) said: I desire to repeat what I
And while I am unwilling to appropriate any stated before. It is known to the members of of the laurels of a gentleman of his eminent the Senate that Mr. FESSENDEN has been con- ability, I am equally unwilling that he shall fined to his house for some ten days or two bank on my capital or make speeches in my weeks by indisposition. At his instance I se- name. I hope, therefore, that that will be corcured a pair for him on this question. Had
rected. he been here he would have voted against the
Another error in the same report. I am bill.
reported as having followed my colleague on Mr. JOHNSON (when his name was called) my right, [Mr. Smith,] a matter which I am said: I am paired on this question.
satisfied never entered the head of any gentleMr.WADE (when his name was called) said: man here. I will say that I have always found I am paired as I stated before.
my colleague [Mr. Smith) a very agreeable Mr.WILLIAMS (when his name was called) || gentleman when met with, but the idea of fol. said: I have paired off with Mr. FESSENDEN. lowing him, or the idea of expecting him to If he were here, he would vote “nay," and I follow anybody long, certainly never entered should vote “yea."
my mind or the mind of anybody that knows Mr. SPRAGUE. The Senator from Kan
him as well as I do. [Laughter.] I hope that sas [Mr. LANE) desired me to say that he was
may also be corrected. paired off with the Senator from Connecticut,
Mr. SMITH. I wish merely to say that if (Mr. Dixon,] as has been already announced my colleague would follow so good a leader as by the Senator from Wisconsin. The Senator
myself he would not have gotten into so many from Kansas would have voted "yea.”
rebellious scrapes and bad company as he has The result was announced-yeas 19, nays
done during the last few years. 13; as follows:
WASHINGTON ACADEMY OF MUSIC. YEAS-Messrs. Chandler, Clark, Conness, Cragin,
Mr. DONNELLY, by unanimous consent, Creswell, Howard, Howe, Kirkwood, Lane of Indiana, Nye, Pomeroy, Ramsey, Sherman, Sprague,
introduced a bill to incorporate the Academy Stewart, Trumbull, Van Winkle, Willey, and Wil- of Music, of Washington city, District of Coson-19. NAYS-Messrs. Buckalew, Davis, Doolittle. Ed
lumbia; which was read a first and second time munds, Foster, Grimes, Guthrie, Hendricks, McDou
and referred to the Committee for the District gall, Morgan, Poland, Riddle, and Sumner-13. of Columbia.
ABSENT-Messrs. Anthony, Brown, Cowan, Dixon,
Mr. ORTH, by unanimous consent, intro-
duced a joint resolution, authorizing the sale
and transfer of arms, munitions and vessels-ofMESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE.
war; which was read a first and second time, and A message from the House of Representa- referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs. tives, by Mr. McPHERSON, its Clerk, announced
ISAAC RAVISEY. that the House had passed a bill (H. R. No. 511) imposing a duty on live animals.
Mr. HUBBELL, of Ohio, by unanimous
consent, introduced a joint resolution for the HOUSE BILL REFERRED.
relief of Isaac Ramsey, internal revenue colThe bill (H. R. No. 511) imposing a duty Il lector of the eighth district of Ohio; which was
read a first and second time, and referred to the Committee of Claims.
PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS. Mr. BLAINE. I ask the unanimous consent of the House to make a personal explanation.
No objection was made.
Mr. BLAINE. Mr. Speaker, in the debate yesterday on the Army bill in relation to the Provost Marshal General, there was some per: sonal controversy between the gentleman from the Utica district of New York [Mr. ÇOXKLING] and myself. That gentleman has been longer a member of Congress than myself, but I have understood
Mr. WARD. I would inquire if my colleague from the Utica district is in his seat,
Mr. BLAINE. He is here. I should not have sought to make this explanation if he had been absent. I supposed the member was equally familiar, with myself, with the rule understood to obtain among members in respect to the Globe reports of personal controversies. I understand, as I presume we all do, that it is quite allowable for a member who makes a speech here not affecting any personal interest, to alter the reporter's notes and place them in such form as is most agreeable to him. self. I have equally understood that in personal controversies between gentlemen it is a point of honor that as the reporter puts down what takes place it shall be printed, or that if alterations are made they shall be made by mutual understanding and knowledge.
I called at the Globe office this morning, and on reading the Globe at twelve o'еlock I found essential alterations, and upon inquiry at the Globe office of the proper person, I was told that those alterations were made by the member from New York, [Mr. CONKLING,] and are in his handwriting. I now hold the report of his remarks in my hand, and there is scarcely a page but what has been altered. But I do not intend to comment upon the alterations at any length. I merely want to call the attention of the House to one point, where the gentleman sought by an alteration to take away the entire point of my reply to him. I characterized some of his bravado as
"cheap swagger” when he talked about meeting me here or elsewhere.” The gentleman elim; inates that important part of his speech and inserts instead these words:
“I have stated facts for which I am willing to be held responsible at all times and places."
Now, the phrase "here and elsewhere" is a phrase well known in Congress; it is the phrase of bullyism. It was a phrase upon which I commented, and which I denounced and justly denounced, and which the gentleman had no right to alter at the Globe office.
I desire to say that I never saw the notes of my remarks of yesterday. I did not know what the reporters had put in the Globe, and I should have considered that I was violating the first principles of honor which should exist between gentlemen had I ventured to do it.
Mr. CONKLING. I hope the member will yield to me for a moment to ask the loan of the sheets which he has obtained from the Globe oflice.
Mr. BLAINE. There was nothing surreptitious about it; they were obtained openly; and I hope the gentleman will give them back to me, as I am responsible for them to the Globe office,
Mr. CONKLING. I place myself under obligations to the gentleman by asking him not to give me that pile of manuscript, but to indicate to me the sheets to which he refers where alterations have been made.
Mr. BLAINE. On page of the manuscript No. 188' he says, as reported, that he is entirely responsible “not only here but else. where," and that is cut out.
Mr. CONKLING. I ask merely to see the sheet. Before looking at it or making any remarks upon it I wish to say that I do know, what the member from Maine announces as if it were new to somebody or especially appreciated by himself, that no member of this House has a Now, sir, I made no such intimation. I had with the phrase "here and elsewhere” in quoright by any alterations, even of his own re- no such intention. I made no such statement. tation marks. I want members to understand marks, in any respect to affect the rights or the But on the contrary, I said what I will proceed the precise point of my complaint. Though I position of any other member with whom he now to read as it stood originally upon this am reported, and correctly reported, as referhas had a discussion, whether in the way of paper; and then I will state to the House the ring to the gentleman's phraseology here and controversy or not. And I hope that it is un- alteration which has been made; and I will elsewhere," and commenting upon the bravado necessary for me to.assure any gentleman with submit whether I will be compelled to sit at the of his manner, yet a person reading the debate whoin I am acquainted that I am as incapable || feet of the gentleman from Maine and derive might be led to ask what I was replying to as the gentleman from Maine [Mr. BLAINE) pre- from him instruction as to what is gentlemanly when I quoted a phrase of that kind, the very tends to be, of doing anything in violation of and honorable.
mild phrase "at all times and places” having the rule which I state.
Now, this sheet, which is handed to me with- been cunningly substituted in the remarks of I deny entirely, speaking at a venture of all out what precedes it, commences in the middle the gentleman from New York. these sheets which are here-and I challenge | of a sentence. I would like to have the com- Now, Mr. Speaker, I never expected to make a refutation of what I say—I deny that in any mencement of the sentence.
a personal explanation in this House in my life. respect or particular have these notes been so Mr. BLAINE, (handing a page of man- As to courage I am like the Methodist deacon altered by me as to change at all the posi- || uscript.) I will say here
about his piety—I have none to speak of. If I tion of any gentleman in this House, whether Mr. CONKLING. No, Mr. Speaker; I had I should be loath to introduce it in compehe took part with me in the debate or not. would like to continue my statement so far as tition with a gentleman who left such a brilliant And I afirm-speaking of this sheet which I to read this sheet.
reputation for courage in the Thirty-Seventh will look at particularly in a moment; and Mr. BLAINE. I hope the gentleman will Congress. speaking of every other sheet upon which the state what is in his own handwriting.
Mr. CONKLING. I beg to say one word, debate of yesterday was reported ; and speak- Mr. CONKLING. Mr. Speaker, I shall
that I did not see, of course, as gentlemen will ing also of every other sheet of Globe reports understand which is my own handwriting ; || understand, the remarks of the gentleman from that ever came into my hands--that I have and I shall be very frank and very fearless in Maine. made no alterations, none whatever, except | stating all the particulars about this matter. Mr. BLAINE. I am told at the Globe office those alterations which all gentlemen make, If the gentleman will only be quiet he will find he took the notes and did not return them till rejecting the surplusage and diffusive style that he will lose nothing of the truth by wait- twelve o'clock and one o'clock this morning. which will always enter, more or less, into | ing to hear my statement.
That is said on my responsibility from Mr. extemporaneous speaking, so as to prune down This the gentleman says is in my own hand- Lewis, the superintendent of the composing a little, into fewer words, the sense which was writing, as it is:
room in the Globe office. expressed.
"I say to him further, that I mean to take no ad- Mr. CONKLING. The member's zeal outOn yesterday there was properly before this vantage, such as hoattributes, of the privileges of this House the public administration of a public offiplace, or of the absence of General Fry."
runs his discretion, which perhaps is not the cer. It was a suitable theme for discussion. At
I believe that is not the alteration com
first occurrence of that kind in his life. Mr.
Lewis, I undertake to say, and no other man all events, whether it was so or not was a quesplained of.
who stands respectably in the community, told tion addressed to every gentleman for himself.
“On the contrary, I am ready to avow what I have here declared anywhere."
the member from Maine that I had for one moI commented upon the public administration of this public officer and his subordinates; I spoke
Not" elsewhere," but "anywhere." I be
ment the sheets containing his rejoinder or any of facts of which I had the right to speak, believe that not much is lost by that variation.
part of them. So far from that, one of the "I have stated facts for which I am willing to be
Globe reporters, Mr. Lord, handed to me here cause I had investigated them, and I thought held responsible at all times and places.".
for the first time, between nine and ten o'clock, I knew whereof I affirmed. The member from Maine, (Mr. BLAINE, ) with
The alteration, complained of, as I under. | during the evening session, the sheets upon frivolous impertinence, put into the debate an stand, is that instead of avowing a willingness
which my remarks appeared, and those alone, imputation upon my motives; and attributed to be held responsible here or elsewhere, which
and not all even of the sheets upon which my to me dishonorable personal resentment. Sup.
he says the phrase was, I say, "I am willing remarks appeared. They contained nothing else pose what he said had been true; what had to be held responsible at all times and places.''
except the point of order submitted to the Chair that to do with the matter which we were dis
Well, sir, if there is any diminution of re
and the remarks made by the then occupant of cussing? What light did an imputation cast
sponsibility here; if, by this alteration, making the chair [Mr. Dawes] in deciding that point the declaration cover all space and all time,
of order. I took those notes in haste, went upon me throw upon the question whether the there has been avoided any responsibility which
into a committee-room, read them over rapidly, Burean of the Provost Marshal General ought to be petrified forever in the military system was assumed by saying “here or elsewhere,''
and corrected them. I never saw the notes of then I admit that I am subject to the censure
the gentleman from Maine. I did not know they of this country? Not only did he make a statement, which I || such as to entitle them to give instruction upon of gentlemen whose position and character are
contained any statement about “here or else
where." I did not think there was the slightrepeat was frivolously impertinent and personal | such questions.
est significance in those words more than in to me, but he made a statement in which he
Now, the words stricken out, in lieu of which any other for this purpose. I say the statement was mistaken. He added, in substance, that I traduced this officer in his absence, and that those words are inserted, appear thus in the
he makes, that I had his notes until midnight reporter's notes:
or any other time, is without any shadow of I did it here; thereby meaning to put upon me
"I am responsible, not only here but elsewhere, for
foundation in truth. the further imputation that skulking behind what I have said and what I will say of the Provost But, Mr. Speaker, a member of this House the constitutional privileges of debate I was Marshal General."
capable of doing precisely that which
four defaming an absent man.
That I understand to be the alteration com- marked occasions during this session I have In answer to that I said that I had no such plained of. The notes were, "I am responsible detected in the gentleman from Maine is capaintention; that I stated what I believed ; that not only here but elsewhere;” while, in making | ble of saying precisely what he said here, and I was ready to state it here or elsewhere, and the correction I have said, “I am willing to be putting ine in a position when I answer it which to be responsible for it, not only here but any- held responsible at all times and places.'' Mr. makes me feel I owe an apology, if not to mywhere else. The gentleman says those are Speaker, I stand by that alteration. I will not self, to the members of this House, for detain. technical words. I did not know that they undertake to
whether it is more or less pre- ing them one moment on such a matter. were technical words. I have heard them used cise than the original utterance. I will underhere repeatedly. I heard them used the other take to say, and I submit it to every gentleman day by a gentleman to whom I will not refer in this House, that not only is there no alteration Mr. MORRILL. I ask unanimous consent more especially; he said, in the precise phrase here which puts the gentleman from Maine in to report from the Committee of Ways and which I did not use on yesterday, that he would any different position from that which he occu- Means a bill imposing a duty on live animals be responsible, not only here but elsewhere. pies, but there is no alteration by which I re- imported from foreign countries, and that it be What I said was that I was ready to stand by lieve myself from any responsibility to any acted upon by the House at this time. the statement I made; not to shelter myself || human being which in the original utterance The bill was read. behind the privileges of debate, but to be I took.
Mr. MORRILL. Mr. Speaker, in view of the responsible to any person who should be ag- Now, sir, having said this much, I conclude fact that.we shall act upon the internal revenue grieved, everywhere and whenever he might by saying that I throw back to the gentleman | bill, which will be reported to-day, before we see fit to raise the question.
any sort of imputation which he seeks to cast can act on the tariff bill, it seems to the commitNow, it was rather a cheap mode of clawing upon me; and I say to him that the time will tee to be necessary and proper to report this in off from an ungentlemanly passage in the de- be far hence when it will become necessary for advance, for the reason that there is at the presbate for the member from Maine to risc here him to dispense to me any information or in- ent time no duty on any live animals whatever. and pretend to this House that he understood struction with regard to those rules which ought | We understand the Canadians have adopted I meant to talk in the language of the duelist to govern the conduct of gentlemen.
something of Yankee ingenuity, and are driving or to intimate in any way that I sought a per
Mr. BLAINE. Mr. Speaker
over their herds to this side of the line, keepsonal controversy with him. I beg to assure The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Maine || ing them here until shorn and then driving them him that my observation of vim, if nothing else, asks unanimous consent to make a personal | back again. This is to prevent practice like would remove far distant from me the impres- explanation. The Chair hears no objection. that. I suppose there will be no objection to sion that in that way or in any other way it was Mr. BLAINE. I desire to say a single word. the immediate passage of the bill. worth while to attempt to get out of him any The reporters of the Globe, with their usual The bill was read a first and second time, such controversy as that.
atcuracy, have reported me in my rejoinder I ordered to be engrossed and read a third time,
DUTY ON LIVE ANIMALS.
and being engrossed, it was accordingly read
NORTIERN PACIFIC RAILROAD.
it was an appropriation bill. Since that time the third time and passed.
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I call for
I have conferred with many gentlemen, both Mr. GARFIELD moved to reconsider the the regular order of business.
those who are favorable to this measure and vote just taken; and also moved that the motion
The House accordingly proceeded, as the
those who oppose it, and I have heard from to reconsider be laid on the table. The latter motion was agreed to.
regular order of business, to the consideration. I them but one opinion, and that is that the
of the unfinished business of last evening, be- Speaker, in giving his opinion and sustaining NATIONAL BANKS AND CURRENCY. ing House bill No. 414, to secure the speedy,
the point of order, was clearly correct. Mr. DARLING, by unanimous consent, inconstruction of the Northern Pacific railroad
The bill as now reported again differs in no troduced a bill to amend the act in relation to and telegraph line, and to secure to the Gov
material manner from the bill reported last national banks and currency, approved June ernment the use of the same for postal, mili
evening. I therefore raise the same point of 3, 1864; which was read a first and second tary, and other purposes.
order, that this is an appropriation bill and time, and referred to the Committee on Bank
The pending question was the question raised
must go to the Committee of the Whole on ing and Currency. by Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, on the recep
the state of the Union. tion of the report, upon which the previous
The SPEAKER. The bill now contains the REBEL COTTON LOAN. question had been seconded and the main ques.
following proviso: Mr. KASSON, by unanimous consent, sub- tion ordered, and the yeas and nays ordered. Provided, horocner, That no money shall be paid mitted the following resolution; which was Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I under- on account of this bill until an appropriation shall
be made for that purpose. read, considered, and agreed to:
stand the gentleman from Iowa [Mr. Price] Resolved, That the President be requested to com- expresses a willingness, if the report shall be The Clerk will now read from the Globe a municate to this House, if not incompatible with the received, to give full and ample time for dis- decision made upon this point by one of the nublic interest, any negotiations that have been en
cussion. I therefore waive all objections to predecessors of the present occupant of the wered into by or proposed to the executive department of this Government respecting the rebel debt the acceptance of the report.
Chair in the year 1863. known as the cotton loan or any other rebel indebt- Mr. WENTWORTH. How long will he
The Clerk read as follows: edness.
give ? WEST VIRGINIA.
"The SPEAKER. It has always been held that in Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. He is
order to bring a bill within the rule, tho appropriMr. LATHAM, by unanimous consent, intro
ation must be snfficient, without requiring further willing to give until August if necessary. legislation, to take money out of the Treasury." duced a joint resolution to extend to the coun- Mr. WENTWORTH. Does he say so? ties of Berkeley and Jefferson, in West Virginia, [Laughter.]
That has been the uniform ruling of various the provisions of an act approved July 4, 1864, Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Oh yes,
occupants of the chair, and as this bill will not, entitled - An act to restrict the jurisdiction of
without further legislation, take any money out sir. He means by that, of course, a reasonathe Court of Claims and to provide for the pay
of the Treasury, the Chair overrules the point ble time. ment of certain demands for quartermaster's Mr. WENTWORTH. I want to be heard
of order and decides that this is not an approstores and subsistence supplies furnished to the
priation bill. on this question. Army of the United States ;'? which was read
Mr. PRICE obtained the floor.
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I have the a first and second time, and referred to the
Mr. WENTWORTH. I ask the gentleman pledge of my friend from Iowa [Mr. PRICE] Committee of Claims. and I will indorse it.
from Iowa to let the report be read.
Mr. PRICE. I am not aware of there being CONTESTED ELECTION.
Mr. WENTWORTH. I would rather have Mr. LAWRENCE, of Pennsylvania, prethe Speaker's indorsement. [Langhter.]
any report. sented papers in relation to the contested elec
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I with:
Mr. Speaker, I am glad that the stress of tion in the twenty-first congressional district draw objection to the reception of the report.
weather by which this bill has been incumof Pennsylvania; which was referred to the
The SPEAKER. The question then is, Shali
bered is clearing up, the fog is lifting, and its Committee of Elections. the bill be engrossed and read the third time?
friends feel pleasure in finding it on the open Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I now raise
sea of free discussion.
I will say at the coinmencement that I do Mr. JULIAN, from the Committee on Pub- the House-whether after it was recommitted
not propose to indulge in any attempts at oralic Lands, by unanimous consent, reported to the committee they reported back the bill
tory or eloquence in reference to this bill. I House bill No. 497, granting lands to aid in the which was before the House or another bill.
am of opinion that it is a matter of dollars and construction of a railroad and telegraph line The SPEAKER. The question of reception
cents, facts and figures. Unless the facts and from the city of Yancton to the west line of the l is withdrawn, and now the question of order
the figures will establish the other important State of Minnesota, in the Territory of Dakota; is raised in regard to the bill being properly
fact that the bill has merits of its own and ought which was ordered to be printed, and recom- before the House.
to pass this House, then I, as one of the advomitted.
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. _My point
cates of the bill, as one of the committee who Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I move to of order is that the bill before the House was
report it to this House, am perfectly willing to reconsider the vote by which the bill was re
see it voted down. never referred to the committee; that they committed, and to lay that motion on the table.
This Northern Pacific railroad was chartered never had.it in their possession, and did not The latter motion was agreed to.
at the first session of the ThirtyEighth Conreport it back. EMIGRANT VESSELS. The SPEAKER. That involves the question | The company. Nothing, as I understand, has
gress, and gives an extensive grant of lands to Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania, by unan
of reception. The Chair will decide the point
been done by the company up to this time, for imous consent, submitted the following resolu
The subject of a Northern Pacific tion; which was read, considered, and agreed to. railroad having been referred to the Com.
the reason that the lands granted cannot be mittee on the Pacific Railroad by petitions
made available for the purposes intended. They Resolved. That the Committee on Commerce be
now come forward and ask additional assistrequested to inquire what legislation is necessary to and bills, that gave them jurisdiction of the
ance in the shape of a guarantee of a certain prevent vessels froin forcign ports carrying an undue question, and they had a right to report the
amount of stock to enable them to make the and disproportionate number of passengers and emi- bill referred to them or any other bill on the grants to their ship accommodations, and whether any precaution should be adopted to prevent the subject. The Chair, therefore, overrules the
grant available. I want gentlemen to remem
ber that it is a limited amount of stock for a introduction into this country of cholera and other question of order and the bill is before the
limited time. infectious diseases in such overloaded vessels.
The only question to be settled in reference Mr. SMITH. I ask unanimous consent to for the reading of the bill, reserving the right
to this matter is, whether the guarantees that
the Government is to give to the company who introduce a bill to provide arms and ammunito raise a question of order upon it when it has
agree to the construction of this road will be tion for the defense of the inhabitants of Mon
repaid to the Government and the country by tana Territory.
the benefits derived from it. On the first three Mr. SPALDING
MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE.
hundred and eighty miles of this road the bill ESCUTCHEONS OF WEST VIRGINIA AND NEVADA. A message from the Senate, by Mr. FORNEY, proposes to guaranty stock to the amount of
The SPEAKER laid before the House the their Secretary, informed the House that the $20,000 per mile. I will be obliged to gentle. following report from the Commissioner of Senate insisted upon their amendments, dis
men who feel an interest in this bill, either for Public Buildings; which was referred to the
agreed to by the House, to the bill of the House or against it, if they will give their attention to Committee on Appropriations:
No. 238, to amend an act entitled “An act these figures. Figures, as gentlemen know,
relating to habeas corpus and regulating judi- will not lie, unless they be put down wrongly; OFFICE COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS, CAPITOL OF THE UNITED Srates. cial proceedings in certain cases,”' approved
and it is the business of members to see whether WASHINGTON, April 25, 1865. March 3, 1863, and agreed to the conference
I put them down wrong or not. Sır: In compliance with the resolution of the asked by the House on the disagreeing votes
On the next six hundred and twenty miles House of Representatives of the United States of of the two Houses thereon; and had appointed of this road the bill proposes to guaranty February 13, 1866, I have caused to be painted and placed in two of the panels of the ceiling of the
Mr. Clark, Mr. TRUMBULL, and Mr. Hen- stock to the amount of $25,000 per mile, makHouse of Representatives the escutcheons of the DRICKS the conferees on the part of the Senate.
ing the guarantee upon the stock $20,000 per States of West Virginia and of Nevada.
mile and $25,000 per mile for the first thouI am, with high respect, your obedient servant,
NORTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD-AGAIN.
sand miles of the road, the average being B. B. FRENCII, Commissioner of Public Buildings.
Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. It will $22,500 per mile. The interest upon that Hon. SCAUS DER COLFAX, Speaker of the House of
be remembered that last night, when this bill stock at six per cent., the rate specified in the Representatives of the United States.
was presented, I raised the point of order that ll bill, which interest is to be paid in currency,
ING. I object.