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BURNE] says that another reason why we ought required a standing army in time of peace. of the Constitution. If that language does not not to support this bill is that a great lobby has The gentleman from Illinois did not hesitate authorize Congress to aid in the construction been here to secure its passage. The gentle- to cast his vote in favor of that bill, that ob- of a railroad such as is here contemplated, then man knows more about the lobby than I do. noxious, wicked, and pernicious measure, on that language is utterly without meaning; it is The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. SHELLABAR- account of any depletion of the Treasury of a mere dead letter. GER) and his colleague [Mr. Delaxo] say that the United States. When the interest of any Now, sir, I am opposed to any interference they have been informed by somebody that the case happens to suit his constituents, and by the Congress of the United States with the persons who originally went into this enterprise his own feelings and interest and ambition, eminent domain of a State. I am opposed to sold out and got $150,000 in money for their especially if a bill happens to have been reported the United States undertaking to run railroads charter. I ask the honorable gentlemen how from the committee which he represents, then within the jurisdiction of a State without the they happen to have such information unless he does not seem to think so much about the consent of a State. I am opposed to an atthey themselves have come in close contact Treasury of the United States ; hut with all his | tempt by the Government to authorize a railwith this immense and powerful lobby which power, and with all the zeal and venom which road between here and the city of New York is said to be employed to advocate this measure. he has exhibited in this case, he portrays to without the consent of the States through which I hurl back in the teeth of those who charge this House, in almost wild enthusiasm, the the road is to pass. I say that such legislation that there is a lobby here for the purpose of reasons why he wants the measure carried into violates the true intention of the Constitution. advocating this bill, the fact that the most pow- effect.

But, sir, this bill provides that the three States erful and gigantic interests known to exist This is no political question; it is a question || through whose jurisdiction this road is to pass among the railroad interests of the country that is in no way connected with politics. It shall give their consent to its construction beare here to advance their own interests and is a question that recommends itself to the fore the road shall be permitted to go through prevent the passage of this bill.

sound discretion of members of this Congress, ll those States. Mr. FARNSWORTH. Will the gentlemar representing the interests of the whole country. The proposition, here, as I understand it, is let me ask him a questions?

And although my constituents, in the fourth for the construction of a railroad from a given Mr. ROGERS." Not now. Gentlemen talk congressional district of the State of New Jer- point to a given point, the road to pass over about there being a lobby here. My expe- sey, may not be directly interested in this grand | the territory of the United States, the bill exrience, and I suppose the experience of every enterprise, yet the country is interested in it; a pressly confining the corporation to the conother gentleman here, is that no great enter- country that I expect to see united one day; struction of the road within the eminent domain prise has ever been started but that there were whose flag I hope may float over the capitol of the United States. This company will have some men behind it to carry it on; and unless of South Carolina as it floats to-day from the no right, by virtue of its charter or this bill, to there were enterprising men, like these rail- dome of this Capitol. And I feel myself called enter the domain of a State and interfere with road men who are endeavoring to link the At- upon, as a man who loves his country, and has its sovereign powers. This road cannot pass lantic and Pacific together, enterprises of this its best interests at heart, to sustain this great through any State except with the consent of kind would die out, and we never would have national enterprise which is to make us glori- the State, and it can only pass through lands that progress and civilization which have al- ous and powerful. If there ever was a measure belonging to the United States. ways been developed by the railroad interests that appeals to the sympathies, magnanimity, There can be, therefore, in my view, no wellof the country, as has been demonstrated in and patriotism of all who love their country, founded legal or constitutional objection to this Illinois by the Central railroad which was estab. and has the best interests of his posterity and measure. If there are no just objections of this lished there; and I feel convinced that if we of coming generations at heart, it is this; and character, then it is the duty of conscientious only plant ourselves upon the principles that we should not seek to destroy it simply because | legislators to support this measure, if they recthe State of Illinois planted itself upon when some millions of dollars may be drawn from ognize it as one that will tend to advance the it authorized that company to carry out its the Treasury of the United States.

prosperity of the country by completing a work functions, we shall advance the prosperity, the I have more confidence in the integrity, || which cannot be accomplished except with the wealth, the enlightenment, and the happiness patriotism, and love of country of the people aid of the Government of the United States. of this grand empire of ours so as to make it than to believe that they will refuse to return Sir, it is a most astonishing fact that when equal to the State of Illinois, and you will find to the Congress of the United States any man the act incorporating this company was passed that these lands which are not now worth more who shall honestly, and from high and consci- it received in the Senate the vote of every than from twelve and a half to twenty-five cents entious convictions, vote in favor of this mag. member of that body. per acre, will readily sell for ten and fifteen nificent enterprise. They are not so narrow- The SPEAKER. The twenty minutes aldollars per acre.

minded as that; they are not so puritanical || lowed to the gentleman from New Jersey have I do not believe that one dollar will be drawn as that. And when this bill shall be passed, || expired.

expired. The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. from the Treasury of the United States which and the road shall have been completed; when | BINGHAM] has fifteen minutes remaining. will not be paid back again. This entire road trains are running on it, carrying our glorious Mr. BINGHAM. I yield ten minutes to the is to be within the control of Congress, and the flag to those mountains, with the grand prin- || gentleman from Michigan, [Mr. Driggs.] moment this corporation, after the road is ciples of American liberty, we shall have done

MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE. equipped and in running order, refuses to com- that for our country which will equal all that ply with one of the conditions of the charter any other Government has ever done for the

A message from the Senate,

by Mr. FORNEY, which Congress has given them, we can file a

its Secretary, informed the House that the people under it. bill in the court of chancery to have that char- Men talk as if the Treasury of the United

Senate had disagreed to the amendments of

the House to Senate bill No. 23, to encourter forfeited, and we can stop the running of States were bankrupt, as if our national finances the road. were in the most desperately hopeless condi

age telegraphic communication between the

United States and the island of Cuba and other Now I do not believe it possible that when tion, as if the country were ruined. Why, sir, capitalists have invested twice what it is pro- this nation can bear a burden of debt much

West India islands, and the Bahamas, asked a posed the Government shall indorse in the way larger than the amount now resting upon it.

committee of conference on the disagreeing of interest, they will ever permit to be forfeited In view of our present national debt of

votes of the two Houses thereon, and had ap. to the Government of the United States all the $4,000,000,000, which the people are so anx

pointed Messrs. CHANDLER, MORRILL, and Confranchises of that corporation, merely to escape ious and ready to pay, no man need undertake

NESS as the committee on the part of the Senate. the payment of the forty or fifty million dol. to make me believe that the mere addition of

NORTHERN PACIFIC RAILROAD-AGAIN. lars that may come in time in the way of interest some $50,000,000 to that debt will deplete or Mr. DRIGGS. Mr. Speaker, as no gentlefrom the Treasury of the United States to help destroy the ability of the United States to meet man from my State has yet been heard on this out this grand enterprise.

its obligations. No, sir, there is no such weak- question, I feel impelled to present some re: Now, I am for advancing the interests of ness on the part of this Government.

marks upon the subject; and I shall be as brief this whole country. And in this grand enter- There is some disposition on the part of some as possible. prise I see that which I believe will bind the gentlemen on this side of the House to doubt Sir, when this question was first presented commerce of the country together from the the constitutional power of the Congress of the to the attention of Congress, I felt it my duty Atlantic to the Pacific ocean.

And the great

United States to enact such legislation as is as a citizen of the State of Michigan, feeling continent of Asia, with its six hundred million proposed in this bill. I ask the attention of an interest in everything that concerns the inhabitants, will pour its commerce through such gentlemen for a few moments to a consid- Northwest, to leave my seat here and visit the this channel. And not only the great West, eration of the plain provisions of the Constitu- | city of Boston to ascertain all that I could in but the great East, the city of New York, and all tion. Sir, I have no more doubt of the con. reference to the responsibility of this company the commercial cities of the sea-board, as well stitutional authority of the Congress of the and everything connected with it. I met in as the inland towns, are interested in this meas- United States to pass such legislation than I Boston, under the auspices of the Board of ure far beyond the pitiful sum of $57,000,000, have of the existence of a Supreme Being. Trade, the representatives of the Northern about which the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Sir, the eighth section of the Constitution || Pacific railroad. As the result of my examiWASHBURNE] talks so much as a depletion of enumerates the powers delegated to the Con- || nation, I can only say that, according to my the Treasury.

gress of the United States, and among those information, the standing of this company Sir, he did not talk about the depletion of the powers is one ' to establish post offices and for respectability and responsibility is of the Treasury of the United States when the Freed- post roads." If Congress has not power to highest character. men's Bureau bill was up here ; a bill which, provide for the construction of a railroad I have no doubt, Mr. Speaker, that the comaccording to the estimate of the President of through the territory of the United States, for | pany now representing the grant, of land by the United States, would have cost the country, postal and military purposes, I ask gentlemen Congress to aid in the construction of this road $50,000,000 a year--a bill that would have to tell me what is the meaning of that clause are as respectable as any gentlemen who ever


associated themselves together in a public work. but I am not to be bound to any locality. I director he gave his time and money. And It would be a little curious to notice the geo- believe this is a great national project, and as


when the chairman of a committee, caugraphical location of the gentlemen who oppose a monetary, as a business project, it is safe for tious with experience and exact in figures, has this measure. It will be noticed that they || this country and for Congress to adopt it. examined into this project in a financial as well have made the discovery that this road is to The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. DELANO] as a national point of view, comes to me and start from Puget sound on the Pacific and pursued a line of remark which led us to sup- says it is sound and safe and necessary, I give end at Lake Superior. They have also discov- pose that here was such a magnificent grant | great weight to his opinion. Certainly no side ered that it may have an eastern outlet across of land that any further aid was unnecessary. issues should detract from the authority. by the Straits of Mackinaw and down to De- He seemed to think that the amount would be Mr. Speaker, let us divest ourselves of these troit, there connecting with roads leading south | $100,000,000, and when I asked him whether local prejudices. Let us rise to the grandeur from that point. I want it understood by gen- he did not think that was too high, he ex- of position that we should occupy in legislating tlemen who oppose this bill because Chicago || pressed doubts about it, and finally concluded for a continent. I never wish to see the two has not been fixed upon as a point, that they that it was so.

sections of the country alienated. I would can tap the road by their system and have a Now, I wish to call attention to the fact that have the East bound to the West by iron bands. branch road from Lake Superior to Chicago. gentlemen have not met the question. On || Give us this railroad, and what cost twenty-five In the winter season until the road can be com- the one hand they have said, “Here is such cents a pound to reach the gold mines can be pleted East, across the straits through Michi- an immense grant of land that these men need carried to the far West at from five to eight gan, it will have to make its connection with || nothing." On the other they have said, “You cents a pound. There is economy in the meas. the Wisconsin and Illinois railroads, so as to will lose if you become security for this com- There is greatness and safety in it, and reach the eastern roads at Chicago, for it is pany.” Both statements cannot be true; the unless my colleague has been grossly deceived known that the lakes can be navigated only for | witnesses disagree. I have no hesitation in say. in regard to the figures, it is safe financially; a portion of the year. It was my good fortune | ing that these facts have never yet been met, and I repeat, although I live on the line of the on visiting Boston to be the companion of Cap- || and they never can be successfully.

great Central Pacific railroad, I am willing tain Mullin, who surveyed and has been asso. Here is a great tract of land certainly, but that we shall have two or three roads, or as ciated with the Northern Pacific railroad from what is it now worth? No more to this Gov. many as we can find money to build. the commencement, and from him I learned ernment than so much moonshine, or so much And let it not be forgotten that these capi. some very interesting facts. The captain is a clear sky, without a railroad. It is not worth | talists, these railroad men, these shrewd manyery practical man. He stated to me that by one cent an acre without access to it. There | agers, must lose ten million dollars before we building a short road over a portage of some is no man rich enough to own it and pay taxes can lose one. Will they enter into this prothree hundred and fifty miles between the on it in its present condition; nor will it for ject without any prospect of receiving their navigable head waters of the Yellowstone and | fifty years to come, without a railroad, have money back? No; they are shrewd, intelliColumbia rivers the entire connection between value.

gent, far-sighted men, as well as patriots, and the Atlantic and Pacific can be effected, and What is the proposition? That this immense | they know the necessity of this connection, and goods and passengers transported from the tract of land between Lake Superior and the they know that if we can have the head waters Atlantic to the Pacific in ten days.

Pacific shall be opened so that we shall have of the Missouri river connected with the Colum. I have not the time to go into all the details access to the gold mines and another highway || bia, crossing this magnificent country, we shall of this proposition. I will say that I do not to the Pacific ocean.

This is what we can do; have achieved what cannot possibly be achieved look upon this as a local work. Some of the this is what we ought to do. We ought to lend by the Central Pacific railroad in the same time. gentlemen who oppose the bill are interested to timid capital the aid, confidence, and surety | Hence, I conceive that, as far-seeing and intelliin the construction of the Central Pacific rail- of the Government in this enterprise; what the gent men, we should support this measure, susroad for which a magnificent grant of land and Government has before done, even by direct | tained, I observe, by the Boards of Trade, by money has been made, and now when the great gifts; what Russia is doing in opening her the powerful press of the Northwest, by every Northwest seeks to secure an outlet to the wastes on a grand scale.

miner in the West, by the dwellers on the Pacific, for local reasons these same gentlemen The gentleman from Ohio [Mr. DELANO] Pacific, and ought to be, as I am confident, by come in and oppose the measure.

talks about the West, and assumes to speak every agriculturist on the wide, rich prairies When the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. for it as if he were of that country. Why, sir, || of our western States. WASHBURNE] was speaking on the details of he should remember that he is not within a Mr. WRIGHT. Mr. Speaker, the bill be. the bill it did occur to me that some amend- thousand miles of the starting point of this fore us proposes to part with the credit of the ments in reference to the conveyance of the road. He has to travel two hundred miles Government of the United States to a railroad lands were necessary.

By the amendment across his own State, the same distance across company known as "the Northern Pacific before the House I understand the title does the State of Indiana, then three or four hun. Railroad Company," an association of gentlenot pass until the road is built. That obviates dred more across the State of Illinois north- men who carry on a private corporation for that difficulty. The next question is as to the west, and then hundreds of miles, before he their own personal gain. liability of the Government. As the bill has gets to the starting-point of this road. He Before speaking of those features of the bill been amended not one dollar is guarantied cannot speak for the West, because he does which to my mind render it objectionable, I until the road is built. I undertake to say not live there as a Representative ; and though call the attention of the House to the unfair even if every dollar of that money was lost it || able, I cannot think he appreciates our dis- manner in which this whole matter has been would be the cheapest sixty millions ever tances or wants.

conducted. I do not believe that there is a expended on a great national work. My friend Gentlemen have undertaken to


single member of this House who has any obfrom Ohio (Mr. Bingham) says very truly that colleague, the chairman of the committee, [Mr. | jection to the completion of this road at the not a dollar would be lost, and I indorse that Price] has not presented a report, only a bill, earliest practicable moment; but whether the declaration. We can get it back on account withholding the light. My colleague has been road shall belong to the people or the Governof the carriage of the United States mails, and characterized by the gentleman from Illinois ment of the United States rather than to priby security for one half of the land, and in || [Mr. WASHBURNE) as a banker, Well, sir, it vate corporations is another question. That various other ways. The Government can hold is true that my colleague has honorably and is one of the grounds of my opposition to this securities until it gets back every dollar. successfully discharged the duties of president measure. We would like to see this country,

In the upper peninsula which I represent of the State Bank of Iowa, by which no man vast as it is, and valuable as it is, speedily there are copper mines, and if the road be has lost a dollar. But he is not merely a banker. || developed ; its mineral treasures brought forth; bnilt it will open that region to commerce. While the gentleman from Illinois was laying its hills and valleys peopled and filled with But I regard it as a national work, and one out streets in the city of Chicago my colleague | grain and all other agricultural products which of the greatest importance. No gentleman was surveying and planning a railroad westward, are necessary for the sustenance of man, and from New England, New York, New Jersey, near the eastern connection of the Pacific rail- for the happiness of those who may dwell there. Indiana, Ohio, or any of the other States should road, to Council Bluffs. He is a railroad man This is a question of humanity. It is a ques. oppose it. For by connecting at Detroit, in the || of ten years' experience in the Prairie State, tion of policy. But there is a question of legal State of Michigan, with the southern system as well as an extensive farmer, having, I am right. This measure appears to be a sort of of roads and the roads leading to the Atlantic || informed, a larger number of acres than any "gift enterprise," where much is promised cities, they will all have the benefit of this man west of the Mississippi river under culti- and little performed. There is something under Northern Pacific railroad, and the bill for the vation. And yet the two gentlemen from Illi- it. I confess that I have not sufficient intelliencouragement of the building of which I hope nois designate him as a banker simply. gence to tell you where it is or what it is; but will pass, but as I promised to occupy but ten Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Is he not I feel that the measure is pregnant with 'misminutes of the time of the gentleman from | president of a bank?

chief to our Government and to our instituOhio (Mr. BINGHAM] I must close my remarks Mr. GRINNELL. He was president of the tions. When the Government becomes godand yield the floor to him.

State Bank of Iowa. And I will here state father to schemes of this description, being Mr. GRINNELL. I understand that the gen- that his word financially is regarded as good responsible for the acts of its god-child, there tleman has but eigbt minutes of his time left, | authority by all parties in that State, without is danger. and I propose to occupy that time, yet too short | regard to politics; and it is partly because he In July, 1864, this Northern Pacific Railroad to more than glance at the great question. has examined this question financially, as well Company was chartered, and at that time it was

Mr. Speaker, I shall vote for this bill, and as its wide national bearings, that I give it my presumed that we should never again be troubled divest myself of all local prejudices as a west- support. More than a banker. He was a rail. with an application for additional assistance.

I happen to live on the line of the road man for thirteen years, connected with the The charter gave to them forty-seven million Central Pacific railroad ; it passes by my door; Il roads in Iowa and Nlinois, and as a railroad acres of land, and the company themselves, as

that my

ern man.

we heard yesterday upon this floor, declared And it seems that these railroad corpora- proper place to disseminate it. We should that they believed that with that grant of land tors who came here last Congress and got this proclaim to them that there is no party feeling from the Government they would be enabled grant are acting as if their idea ,was that the in this matter; that there can be none; that to complete the road and have a surplus of people of the United States did not send Rep- the question is one of legal right and impartial $350,000,000. Less than two years have gone resentatives here who possessed ordinary intel- || justice. by and now they come here to ask, what we ligence. Therefore they generously bestow Sir, when I heard the eloquent remarks of have no power to give, the credit of the Federal their advice upon us here in our seats, and in gentlemen about the necessity of giving away Government to an incorporation of private indi- this building, and at our hotels, telling us how our lands for works of public improvement, I viduals for their own private speculative pur- we can best discharge our duty. All I can say felt disposed to send word to the Camden and poses.

is that we are very much obliged to them for || Amboy Railroad Company to make application Now, can we do that? Could we have done their interest in our enlightenment, and we will for a grant of land; I do not see why the House it in 1864? I ask gentlemen here (for the same act as we may deem best.

should not have its heart softened toward that principle is applicable to other measures as Now, has any measure of security been taken || corporation as.well as any other. well as to this) to pause for a moment and by the Government that the lands thus given Sir, however we may be bound by party feel. reflect whether all of that land, lying in what- away to this private corporation shall pay taxes ings, it will not do for us to inaugurate a syssoever State it may, is not the common prop- in common with the property of other corpo- tem by which we may wink at trifling errors and erty of all the States. I contend that the Gov. rations? Have we guarded the matter in any go on increasing our offenses until by their illeernment holds only in trust for the people way so that the United States will ever be the || gality they amount to absolute crimes, because of all the States; and that it is, therefore, the gainer by it? Sir, what is to happen at once it cannot be presumed that we could thus sin trustee and custodian of these lands for the upon the completion of this road? A division || through ignorance. Sir, I desire that this road benefit of the States who are the cestui que of the profits will be made, and the Govern- shall be built, and I am willing to do anything trust; and you wil] never be able to get your ment will get nothing. The private corpora- that I may lawfully and conscientiously do to discharge by accounting in the future if you tors no doubt will be very much obliged to the assist in its construction. The great railroad take forty-seven million acres of that land and Government for having loaned its credit to of the State in which I live would form one of give it to one railroad company.

them, which is equal to so much money; they | the connections of this road by way of the We gave away the other day two hundred will be very much obliged for the land that has || Atlantic and Great Western railroad. Sir, the thousand acres of land to build a ship-canal a been given to them, and when the road is done || opponents of this bill must not be misjudged. mile and a half long. In a very short time they will take all the profits to themselves, bid We do not desire to be understood as being the whole of this vast territory, of ours will good bye to the Government, and having be- other than favorable to the completion of the become the property of private individuals; come wealthy they will go off and enjoy their road. But we cannot approve the means by and then, when we find our national debt press- otium cum dignitate.

which the end is sought to be accomplished. ing upon us severely, and turn to that as a Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Will the I think I am fully justified in saying that my source of revenue, we shall find that we have gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. WRIGHT] constituents will approve the vote which I am anticipated, and that it has gone into private yield to me a moment?

about to give against this measure. I can cast pockets, and we shall be unable to make any Mr. WRIGHT. Certainly.

that vote with a clear conscience, knowing that headway in our efforts to pay our national Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I desire || I have sought to do no injustice to the Northindebtedness.

to say that I have been the vittim of misplaced ern Pacific Railroad Company, but that I have Now, let us consider this matter in another confidence, [laughter,] so far as the colleague | endeavored to save the money of my constitpoint of view. Suppose you have given away [Mr. Rogers] of the gentleman is concerned. uents, that I have striven to prevent the deplehalf of the land you possess, Pennsylvania, || I certainly understood him to say day before tion of the public Treasury. Sir, I find on my New York, and New Jersey, neither of them yesterday that he was against this bill, and he || desk this morning a circular which the Secrehaving any portion of that which bas been came to my desk and spoke to me about it. tary of the Treasury has sent us, stating that given away, for I call it a gift without author- Yet I came into the Hall this afternoon and $350,000,000 is all that is necessary to be raised ity of law. Suppose that by and by a bill is find him

advocating it.

annually to pay off the interest of the public brought in to divide the public lands remain- Mr. GRINNELL, I would suggest to the debt of England; and that during the past three ing among the States. How can we account gentleman from Illinois (Mr. WASHBURNE] that quarters of the current fiscal year $405,000,000 to Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey the gentleman from New Jersey [Mr. ROGERS] || have been paid in this country. But, sir, he for the portion that you have given away? is not in his seat.

says that the continuance of the present system Have they not already been disposed of to Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I thought of taxation on the necessaries and comforts of railroad and canal companies and other cor- he was here.

life--articles that we eat and drink and wear porations?

Mr. STEVENS. That matter has nothing || is required in order to meet the demands upon I think it is a matter that demands careful to do with this subject, and it is a thing which the Treasury. Sir, at such a time as this, how consideration on the part of this House. I very few gentlemen would ever have mentioned. can we, with any regard to the interests or the have no special pleading to offer in a case of Mr. WRIGHT. I ask members of this House welfare of the country, engage in a scheme to this kind. But I appeal to the good sense of whether they are making the best disposition guaranty, by a pledge of the national credit, members of this House to decide whether or of the money belonging to the Government in | fifty or one hundred million dollars to a private not I am correct in saying that we are the bestowing it upon such measures as these. It corporation? The principle is wrong. Our trustees of this property, and have no right to is said on the one hand that our Treasury is | duty as Representatives requires that we should dispose of it in this way; but we must account depleted, and on the other side that it is in no oppose such schemes; and this I say with no for it to the States who do not obtain their danger of a financial crisis of any sort. unkind feeling toward those who advocate the aliquot portion of it now or at some future day. Can we makeno better disposition of this land? bill.

It has been urged here that this land pos- Once before on this floor, I invited the attention I trust that the bill may yet be put in such a sesses little or no value. I know the old say- of members to the absolute necesssity of doing || shape that those who are at present its oppoing, that drowning men will catch at straws; speedy justice to our soldiers and sailors. nents may become its friends, and that in the yet the shrewd men who come here and take Would it not be better to give some acres of mean time we shall mature a measure which such pains to get an act of incorporation might this land to the institutions owned and con- shall extend to our soldiers and sailors that very properly be asked why they take this land trolled by the Government, so that the needy generous care which they so well deserve from if it is worth nothing. Now, it has become and deserving soldiers might enjoy the pro- the country. so valuable, after being in their possession not ceeds of this land as a common fund? Are Mr. BROOMALL. I ask the gentleman to quite two years, that they speak about indem- we to allow the brave defenders of the Re- 1 yield to me. nifying the Government for guarantying the public to go unprovided for. Destitution and Mr. WRIGHT. I will yield to the gentlepayment of interest on the bonds of this com- beggary are stalking abroad throughout the man for twenty minutes. pany, by offering us the half of what we gave land, because Congress has as yet made no Mr. BROOMALL. Mr. Speaker, I received them to secure $67,000,000. proper provision for the soldiers.

in the mail this morning a circular, which I This is not the first example in history where If members of this House have greater hold in my hand, purporting to come from the large offers have been made. If it will be any regard for the Northern Pacific railroad than Treasury Department, the reading of which has benefit to members of this House I will refer they have for the noble men who did so much caused me a considerable amount of discomthem to a somewhat celebrated example. On for the salvation of the country during the fort. The purport of this circular is that in one occasion, as we are told, the devil took our recent rebellion, then let them vote to give | consequence of the enormous indebtedness of Saviour up on a high mountain and showed him the public lands to this company. For my part, the Government, in consequence of the ima great deal of land, and offered him a very I think that gross injustice would be done to mense amount of taxes now imposed upon the large land grant, larger, if possible, than this our worthy volunteers if we should pledge the people, it is utterly impossible for the Governis. But our Saviour knew the devil did not own faith and credit of the Government as proposed ment to equalize the bounties to our soldiers. it, and He replied to him, “Get behind me, by this bill; for a wise Government will always || Many of us have been sitting here with the fixed Batan." Now, members of Congress offer to keep sufficient money in its Treasury to redeem determination not to let this session go by withthese railroad companies and canal companies its plighted faith. If this bill is to involve an out passing that most righteous measure, and these large grants of land that belong to the expenditure in consequence of which the peo- to be told now that the thing is impossible is a people, and these corporations not being quite ple of each congressional district in the United declaration that must grieve the heart of every so conscientious as our Saviour was will most States will be subjected to an increased taxation lover of the country in this House. I am not generously and willingly accept the grants of to the amount of $300,000, then our constitu- without hope that the prophecies of the Secreland thus pressed upon them,

ents ought to know that fact; and this is the ll tary of the Treasury may be found to be mis

to us.

taken. I am not without hope that some means They framed the very bill so that no part of this road if the United States would guaranty may yet be ascertained to equalize the bounties the money that they proposed to take out of the bonds. I have said that he, with other of our soldiers, but for one I will not allow the Treasury should fall due to the Govern. Englishmen, would gladly give a guarantee for myself to give a vote in this House so as to tie ment until atier the road was entirely com- the sake of extending the British line down my hands from supporting that measure when || pleted. It is easy enough to leave ten miles to the forty-second degree of latitude. I want it comes up.

of a road of eighteen hundred miles in length no more British Provinces on our territory. You may be sure, Mr. Speaker, after read. | unfinished, so as to avoid the payment of the Mr. BROOMALL. The gentleman's explaing that document, I came to this House by no money.

nation is precisely as I stated it. I did not manner of means disposed to vote away sixty The alterations that have been made by my state that he said that Sir Morton Peto would millions of money which ought to go to this colleague have not helped the bill much, very like to have the job if we would guaranty the purpose.

little indeed. They have only the better cov- bonds. What I said was, that that gentleman Mr. HENDERSON. I ask the gentleman | ered up, not the bad intentions of the House, would gladly take the job that we are asked to to yield to me.

not by any manner of means, but the bad undertake, would gladly take upon himself the Mr. BROOMALL. I cannot do it, I have intentions of somebody, I do not know who, guarantee of that stock upon the terms offered but a little time myself. for I inquired all day yesterday in this House

It was in that view that I said that he I will not vote the money which ought to go of everybody I saw, "Who drafted this bill?'' or any other person on the other side of the to this righteous purpose into the pockets of a and was unable to find out who did it.

Atlantic may do it so far as I am concerned. private corporation. I warn gentleman, if Now, the proposition of my colleague is, that It is time we began to retrench. The peothey vote for this bill and violate their promise we should take security for the money we lay ple are clamorous for a reduction of the taxes. to the soldiers, they cannot fall back upon the out. What is the security? Why, the right to Who of the members here present has not had assertion of the Secretary of the Treasury that sell at double the price of our public land, and letter after letter from his constituents asking the thing was impossible, for their votes upon no less, the land lying on the south side of when a bill reducing our taxation will be re. this measure will stare them in the face. They || that road. Is that any security? And the bill ported and acted on? Who is not glad to find will be told they have given by one single act proposes to vest all these lands in this company that there is in the bill which has been reported to a private corporation nearly one half as beforehand, so that they may sell them, and a material reduction of taxation? But, if we much as would be required to equalize the then the lands would be beyond our reach, in are going to give away with one hand twice as bounties of the soldiers.

the hands of innocent third parties. For they much as we receive with the other, I want to I recollect very well when the original bill, take good care in this bill to make the grant | know how we are to satisfy our constituents? • to which this is an amendment, was brought of the land entirely free from all the condi- I believe, sir, that my time is very nearly into the House. It was not without reason tions set out in the original act.

exhausted, and I will only say further that upon that members were startled at the injustice of Mr. STEVENS. Will the gentleman yield ? || this question I have paired with a gentleman the proposition it contained of conveying in Mr. BROOMALL. I am sorry I cannot from New York who has had to leave the Hall. fee-simple to a private corporation, the stock | yield.

Mr. WRIGHT. I yield now to the gentleof which might be held in India, England, or Mr. STEVENS. I am sorry the gentleman man from Illinois, (Mr. HARDING.] anywhere else, lands exceeding in amount the will not allow me to make a correction.

Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. I am greatly entire State of Indiana, and more than double Mr. BROOMALL. I think I have paid as indebted to the gentleman from New Jersey the land contained in the States of New Jersey, much attention to this bill as we usually do. for his courtesy in allowing me a few minutes, Maryland, and Delaware. Such a proposition || It may be my misfortune to be in error, but if I felt more interested in this subject and might well startle members of Congress and I am, I am honestly so, and I shall have in am more ardently opposed to this bill than, make them hesitate ; but my powerful col- vindication of myself at least the fact that I perhaps, there is good ground for. I am anxleague, chairman of the Committee on Appro- did not vote to a private corporation the money ious to preserve the financial credit of the Gov. priations, [Mr. STEVENS,] with his usual per- that should have gone to our soldiers.

ernment. Perhaps I am more sensitive on that suasiveness almost forced us to depart from Two of my colleagues from Pennsylvania,[Mr. | point than I ought to be. our accustomed propriety to sustain the bill. Kelley and Mr. STEVENS,] with extraordinary I feel how much it has cost, both in blood I regret that upon that occasion I did not make | eloquence-extraordinary even for them-are and money. I feel how grinding and burdenmy voice heard in condemnation of the measure. urging the passage of this bill.

Pennsylvania, some our present taxation is upon the people; I allowed myself good-naturedly and amiably to ground down by local, State, and general tax- and I am unwilling to add another dollar to yield my judgment to that of others; but when | ation; Pennsylvania, that has had to resort to our obligations unless it be for a measure of I saw this bill here, I was reminded that I had a means of raising money that never came very great national importance. been somewhat recreant to my duty. I voted within the knowledge, I suppose, of my friend It is asserted that this is a great national against the bill, I grant, but then I contented the chairman of the Committee of Ways and measure. I beg leave to deny it. It is but a myself with that vote. Such at least is my || Means, [Mr. Morrill;] Pennsylvania, that || great individual speculation. The nation is recollection at this time.

has had to resort by law to taxing her citizens no more interested in the development of this What were we then told? The opponents upon their poverty instead of their wealth (be- || region of country from Lake Superior to Pu. of the bill, I think the gentleman from Illinois cause within two years that State, finding that get sound than it is in the development of [Mr. WASHBURNE] especially, pointed out the the General Government wanted all the tax any other portion of the country. If the develimmense amount of lands proposed to be given that could be raised from her property, act- opment of this country by the construction of a to this people, and contrasted it with the land | ually passed a law compelling the debtor to railroad is to be held to be a national business, grants to other corporations, He earnestly pay a tax on his debt;) Pennsylvania comes why then I can only say that I have understood remonstrated against the passage of the bill, here, ground down in that way by taxation, and things differently. I do not understand that it and foretold that the demands of the company || asks, through her Representatives, to let this is the business of this Gorernment to engage would not end there. He foretold truly. The private corporation dipits hands sixty millions in the general improvement of the country and eloquence of my colleague and others had such deep into the public Treasury.

the development of its resources, in the buildeffect that the bill was suffered to pass, notwith- My colleague from Philadelphia [Mr. Kel- ing of woolen and cotton factories, in the openstanding the warning of the gentleman from LEY] tells this House that Sir Morton Peto ing of canals, and in the construction of railIllinois. It was passed upon the positive prom- would be very glad to take this job off our roads in all directions. These are, in one ise of these people that that would be the last || hands, would be very glad, if I understand him, sense, matters of national importance, but not demand by that company upon the Congress to guaranty this stock upon the terms offered in the sense that has ever been maintained by of the United States. Yet, sir, not a spade has to us. Well, all I can say is, if Sir Morton that great party to which I have had the honor been put into the ground, not a pole has been Peto wants the job, as for me he can have to belong all my life, a party which has met set, not a line has been run since the passage || it, and when he gets through this job I will opposition, but which in its construction of the of that bill, and still the company is back here | hunt him up a good many others of the same power of Congress under the Constitution, to asking for money, money at a time when money sort. I dare say there are corporations within enter upon the improvement of the inland rivis by no means plenty with the Government of the district of my colleague whose stockholders ers and the harbors on our lakes, and to prothe United States.

would be very glad to have the Government of vide for the construction of other great national But it is said by gentlemen on the other side the United States guaranty the dividends upon improvements, has never gone as far as this of the question that this money will be repaid. their stock.

measure proposes to go. And no leadership When? I would like to know when. If we I know that there are such corporations in shall lead me further than the position which commence this system of legislation we will my district, and if my colleague will aid me to that party assumed, and in which it was susfind the bonds of the United States selling at get an introduction to that distinguished Eng tained in the past by the people of the counfifty cents on the dollar long before we shall lish gentleman, when he gets through the job try. see a single cent of this money returned. The that he proposes for him, I will introduce to I have never understood that we had a Govbill provides the means by which it is to be him some of my constituents for that purpose. ernment here which could appropriate money got out of the Treasury of the United States, Sir, let who will guaranty these bonds, I, as a from the public Treasury for the development but I see small chance of its being brought member of this Congress, never will.

of local interests. back,

Mr. KELLEY. For correction I ask the In the limited time allotted to me I can, of The framers of the original bill-I mean the gentleman to yield.

course, say but little of what I would like to bill for which the pending substitute is moved- Mr. BROOMALL. I do not want it taken say upon this subject. I would like to show never intended that this money should be paid. out of my time, but I will do it.

that this measure is not impelled by considerThey framed the bill so that it was never Mr. KELLEY. I have nowhere intimated ations of great national importance. If it be, necessary for the company to repay the inoney, that Sir Morton Peto would gladly construct

then I ask why it is that members from partic. 39Th Cong. Ist Sess. - Vo. 141.

ular localities are found, every one of them, || compete long. If the men who manage of the great debt we owe them. We are told “in” for it? Why is it that my friend from them ever do carry on a competition from per- that it will be a very hard job to get that Portland, [Mr. Lynch,] and all those who sonal animosities for any length of time, those measure through; and doubts are intimated come from the line of latitude on which this who are interested behind them will turn them whether it can be passed. road is to run, favor it? Why is it? Is it out and put others in their places who will Sir, I receive letters from my constituents because they love this great country more than better attend to the interests of the parties. saying that they distrust the intentions of Conprofit? Why is it that certain gentlemen from Now, you may build another road to the gress. They rather begin to surmise that we Pennsylvania, who are engaged in certain in Pacific; but by the time it is done the mana- intend to give that measure the go-by. For terests, are so deeply interested in this work? gers of the two roads will get together and drink | heaven's sake, gentlemen, do not ask me to go Of course it is because they look upon it as a champagne and conclude that rates of freight | home and tell them that, in preference to voting national work; it is not because it would pro- must be raised a little higher. That is so į I for that measure, I gave my support to a scheme mote certain branches of business! Look at it. have tried it, and it has been tried on me. for a guarantee of the national faith to the Your original bill gives in general terms a right Gentlemen argue, why not give this land, amount of $57,000,000 for the benefit of some to other roads to connect with this road. What which is worth about as much as the blue sky? | gentlemen who are engaged in railroading. In is the connection? Is it the right to have the Sir, it is too good to give away to a set of cor- my section of country, I am sorry to say, the business of the New York Central, or the porators who will thus have eighteen hundred people have not a very high estimate of men Michigan Central, or of any

other road carried miles of monopoly through the best mining of that character. I have suffered somewhat over this line? No such thing. The men who regions of America, I am told. "Sir, all know under the prejudice which they entertain for control the charter will make the business with how this thing works; there is not a mine there persons of that description. I am seeking to the West go over the Grand Trunk railroad but what if I own the railroad I own the mine, retrieve my repu ation by a faithful, an inflexof Canada.

and you know it. If you have a coal mine or ible, fidelity to the interests of the whole counLet it go to Portland over the very roads an iron mine or a gold mine, and I control a try, regardless of all personal considerations. that these distinguished and honorable public- railroad, I will take all the profits of the mine I am going to die in that harness; and acting spirited men from Vermont and New llamp- for transportation.

on that principle. I am to-day standing by the shire represent. They, of course, are not Sir, there is not in this bill a syllable which people of thre West. influenced by any such considerations; not a will enable the Government to control the More than a inillion of these western people whit of it. They are too honorable and high- manner in which this company shall do their -men who bave served the country as soldiers, minded to burden this nation with a view to business. The whole thing will be under the as well as the widows of soldiers and the chil. local advantages and local benefits; I do not control of the corporation. Sir, when I con- dren of soldiers-are to-day looking abont them believe they would do it; not a word of it. clude to vote for allowing Sir Morton Peto | anxiously to see how they shall get along in the And do gentlemen suppose that Boards of and his associates or any association or com- world. They find taxes heavy, business dull; Trade, composed of the material that we know pany eighteen hundred miles of the territory | and I declare, Mr. Speaker, I cannot have the they are composed of, are ever influenced by for which my countrymen have fought and heart to impose any additional burdens upon any other consideration than love of country? bled, and many of them died, I will let yon them at this time. Why, no sir, never.

know. Sir, what do you suppose would be Now, sir, when a railroad is needed west of Men engaged in the iron interest are anx- thought of such a vote among my constituents, Lake Superior it will be built. There is no ious, of course, to make railroad iron. But it who have sent here their petitions signed by trouble in getting a railroad constructed when is not in their special interest, of course, that a thousands of names asking to be relieved from there is really a necessity for it. This has been bill is introduced here to bind these railroad the oppression which they have suffered from the experience all over the country. Hence, corporations to buy their iron of them. Yet railroads in Illinois? Why, sir, the railroads I believe that this railroad to the Pacific will this road is to be built of American iron, cost of Ilinois have competing lines. How is it, be built without Government aid whenever the what it may, and however great may be the then, that they oppress the people? Sir, it is, interests and wants of the country justify its demand for it. But that of course will not as I have said, through the medium of cham- construction. weigh a straw in the estimation of my patriotic pagne.

I hope we will have all these lands back and truly honored friend from Pennsylvania; So far as concerns the power which will be again. I believe that the company has for[Mr. STEVENS,] for I do honor him.

wielded by this company, it is immaterial feited its franchise because it has not complied Now, I beg him to believe me when I say whether we give them twenty miles or forty with the condition upon which it was granted. that this country does not want this increase miles along the line of their road. I know | Let us get it back by all means. As it stands of liabilities at this time. Whether we pay the that this is merely an entering wedge. They now, it is equivalent to the cession of that money or not, it will stand against us on our will eventually exercise a power which nothing | whole territory to this private corporation. books; it stands there as a mortgage, and he and but the building of a competing line can break. There are other views of this question to others will find that when we bave once com- Sir, if this bill be passed it will be equivalent | which I would be glad to allude if I had the mitted ourselves to this thing they will so man. to a deed of cession to these corporators for time. age the business of the road that the quarter of all this land. They will own it. The strong The SPEAKER. The gentleman has seven the gross earnings which we are to receive will man will keep the house, and you can go in minutes left. be very small. The great part of the earnings and out only at his pleasure,

Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. Here is a rail. will be absorbed by the Grand Trunk road and Mr. Speaker, I do not like to express my road of eighteen hundred miles to be built from the Vermont line; there will be very small opinion upon financial questions. But I have Lake Superior to Puget sound. It is to have earnings for the west end of the road, espe- always believed that so far as we can we should this immense gmnt of lands and its stock is to cially as that west end is eighteen hundred pay as we go. I have accepted as a tolerably || be indorsed by the United States Government. miles long. How many stations would there l good and sound principle the advice of the It is to be controlled by these private corporabe on the western portion of the road? None, Bible, “Owe no man anything.' There is, I tors. Yet my friend from Pennsylvania Mr. except on the Missouri river, until you get to believe, another passage of Scripture—but I KELLEY] talks about homes for the homeless. the Pacific.

am not freshly read--which says something I think the people will understand who are for There is no population along the proposed about the impolicy of indorsing for others. giving homes to the homeless. We do not line of road. I asked a friend what was the || [Laughter.]

give homes to the homeless by granting away population, and he told me it was literally Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois.

in one act this enormous body of lands to a nothing. And there are but few villages on Ben. Franklin, I believe, who said that. private corporation. Nor do I see any necesthe Pacific coast. Now, what kind of freight Mr. HARDING, of Illinois. I believe it was. sity of baving a railroad from Lake Superior can be carried eighteen hundred miles over a Now, sir, I have had some little experience to transport the emigrants from Europe into road that will pay for the carriage after it has in that matter of indorsing for others; and I those hyperborean regions where they would reached the market? Not grain and corn, for have almost always had to pay the bill. find it difficult for them to live without having it now takes three bushels of corn to pay for Sir, there is another consideration which the skins of wild animals upon their backs. I transporting one bushel from Illinois to Buf- has its influence with me in reference to this know that to develop the resources of the West falo. I am proud of the railroad system of

I expect to vote, cost what it may, we need population, the United States; I am in favor of it; I have for equalizing the bounties of those brave men Now, sir, those who come from Europe need helped to build some, to my sorrow. And I who in 1861 and 1862 volunteered in the mili- not go away off into the Rocky mountains to have learned this: that there must be a large tary service of the country, receiving meager find homes, for they can be provided with way business, a large population along the line bounties or none at all, and served, many of homes upon the beautiful prairies of Illinois, of the road to make a road pay.

them, through the war. Cost what it


I and when those are overcrowded there is room My friend from California [Mr. BIDWELL] am determined to vote in favor of paying them for them in the lands beyond the Jordan of the says that they want competition to keep down the money to which their moble services more Mississippi. It will be time enough for us to the rates of freight to the Pacific. Now that than entitle them. They are the saviours of think of settling the land between Lake Supe. is a beautiful idea ; I will treat it more respect- my country. We owe them a debt of grati- || rior and Puget sound when we have brought fully, and say that it is an honest idea. "But tude. We owe them more than brilliant words under cultivation the lands through which you will find that where there are two parties and fine resolutions. This Congress has sat roads already pass. What would you think to divide the profits, they will always manage now for more than four months, engaged in of a man who had only stock enough to work to have a little higher rates of freight. I chal- great part in the discussion of questions per- his own farm renting all the surrounding lenge gentlemen to show me an instance where taining to the interests of particular localities. country? Yet such is the proposition we competition has put down freights for any We have as yet taken no action on that great have here.. Gentlemen are talking of popu: length of time. Those corporations will not measure designed to pay to the soldiers a part || lating millions avd millions of acres of land

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