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years before. In 1861 the State of Virginia Mr. INGERSOLL. I cannot yield for dis tion be went into the rebellion, and during the progress cussion at the present time. If my colleague | Georget of the war the Govern inent of the United States
proposes an amendment I will hear him, or I Mr. i took possession of the canal and aqueduct. The will yield for a question only.
Mr. W canal was nearly destroyed. The aqueduct was Mr. WASHBURNE, of lllinois. I am much been. turned into a bridge for the use of the Govern obliged to my colleague for his courtesy. I Mr. I ment and the public and used for five years for would like to move some amendments to the Mr. V the transportation of troops, munitions of war, bill. I do not know that it is in order to move tlemen &c., into Virginia. During that period the old an amendment if the gentleman insists on the George aqueduct was about worn out.
previous question, but I presume the House At the close of the rebellion the old company would like to know something in regard to the
Mr. resumed possession and control of the canal, bill before it votes upon it.
from Ii but found itself bankrupt and without the means Mr. INGERSOLL. I do not yield for the Mr. to prosecute the work of repair. They there purpose of discussion. I have told the House
Mr. fore advertised that they would lease it to any something about the bill already, and if my whethe body who would take it for a term of years for colleague is not satisfied with the bill I will present a fair consideration. The gentlemen named | yield to him to offer amendments.
now? in this bill came forward and made a lease Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I will sug someth with the old company for ninety-nine years for gest an amendment to my colleague.
Mr. a certain consideration in money to be paid to Mr. INGERSOLL. I object to debate. If the canal company. Fearing that the old canal the gentleman will suggest an amendment I company had no authority in law to make the will hear it.
such is lease, and that the State of Virginia had acquired Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. There is a Mr. jurisdiction over the company by the act of provision in the fifth section of the bill that as
Mr. retrocession of 1816, these gentlemen, Messrs. soon as the bridge is so far completed as to be
Wheel Wells, Quigley, and Dungan, went to the Legis, | ready, fit, and convenient for the passage of tered lature of Virginia in 1867, I think, and secured persons and animals, &c., but there is no pro Railro the passage of an act authorizing the old com vision here as to who shall certify when the bridge pany to make a lease and contirming any lease bridge is ready and fit. I propose to amend ibat they might make. that.
Ohio The question may be asked why Congress Mr. INGERSOLL. I yielded for an amend
Mr. should ratify that grant or action of the Vir ment, and not for debate.
broug ginia Legislature. It may be said that it is Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I am
Mr. à rebel Legislature. I think not. It will be stating an amendment and referring to the || and tl remembered that Governor Peirpoint formed | portion of the bill to which it is applicable. || and V a government, and established its headquarters But I will first propose to strike out a portion | bridge at Alexandria, during the rebellion in 1803, of the fourth section. It provides that the
the Pand that that Legislature was recognized by Con said railroad shall be kept on the same footing gress when it required the assent of the Vir: as postal roads are required to be kept. There ginia Legislature to the creation of the State || is no objection to that, but there is to what broug of West Virginia out of the domain of old Vir: follows, namely, "and the same is hereby
had to ginia. After the suppression of the rebellion declared to be a postal road." I would like
refere this Legislature went to Richmond with Peir to know of my colleague why he desires to bring point at its head. In 1867 an election was have such a provision as that in the bill?
befor ordered, which was acquiesced in by the admin. Mr. INGERSOLL. What objection have legisl istrative authorities of the Government atter the suppression of the rebellion, and that elec Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. What is lation tion resulted in the election of members of the
the purpose of making this particular piece knove Legislature loyal to the Government of the of railroad specifically by law a postal road
factt United States, and who have been recognized for the benefit of this company.
Does the the as such up to this time. That is all the con gentleman object to striking ihat out?
actio nection that the Legislature of Virginia bas Mr. INGERSOLL. Well, not very much.
the had with the subject. It is proposed that the Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. 'Well, let corporation may have authority to make this it be stricken out, then.
look lease, and the sanction of that Legislature is Mr. INGERSOLL, I will say in reply to the gene required. gentleman from the Galena district, [Mr. WASH
M Now, then, what is asked by this bill? These BURNE]—for I want to treat my colleague with
M lessees of the old canal company have gone on candor-the citizens of Georgetown many and expended the necessary amount of money years ago in their corporate capacity brought | Hou to put the old canal in thorough repair. They an action against this Alexandria Bridge Com will have built a new aqueduct at a cost of at least pany upon the ground that it was an unlawful T $250,000 to replace the old one which the Goy.
structure over a navigable river, and was a ernment used during the entire war without nuisance. You will find the case reported in
and compensation to the old company. They now 12 Peters. The Supreme Court held in that propose to build a bridge for the use of the
case that it was not an unlawful structure; and public on the same piers and on the top of the confirmed the decision of the circuit court,
will framework of the aqueduct. It will make a which dismissed the bill, very convenient bridge, as regards location, for Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. If that be the convenience of the public both in Virginia so, then what is the use of this extraordinary | pas and in the District of Columbia. They pro legislation? pose to build a bridge and to be remunerated Mr. INGERSOLL. I will tell the gentleman,
tha by the tolls that they shall collect. It will be No longer ago than last winter the citizens of
who remembered that there are two other bridges | Georgetown brought another action against in the District of Columbia—the Long Bridge | this company upon the ground that it was an
bri and the Cbain Bridge-and the people will at obstruction of the navigation of this river. The all times have their option over which bridge case was heard before the supreme court of they will cross. It will be entirely at their the District of Columbia, and after an elabo. ger option whether they will use this bridge for rate argument, and a long hearing, the court
be compensation to the builders or not. That is decided that it was a legal structure and not a
thi all there is in this bill. The committee bave nuisance, and dismissed the case. We have I examined the proposition thoroughly, and, I thus had the adjudication of those courts upon believe without a dissenting voice, have recom this question, and it is, perhaps, not really immended the passage of the bill as a public portant for the interests of this company that convevience, interfering with no public or Congress shall declare it a postal road, or a private rights whatsoever in the District of public way for the Government. But it can do Columbia ; and if nobody desires any further no harm, and will put at rest the constant litigainformation I will ask the previous question. tion that the citizens of Georgetown insist upon
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Oh, I as against this company. hope my colleague will not call the previous Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. That is question. I hope he will let us discuss this just what I supposed was the reason why this bill a little.
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for the driver of such vohicle; for any hog, sheep, or The SPEAKER. He has not done so. They | demand the previous question on the bill and
Mr. BUTLER. I desire to ask this ques On seconding the previous qnestion there ment.
tion: whether or not the piers and superstruc were-ayes 49, noes 28; no quorum voting. Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. We ought ture on which this railroad and bridge are to Yes, sir.
Tellers were ordered; and the Chair appointed to have the certificate of some officer that it rest have not already cost the Government Messrs. INGERSOLL and HUMPHREY. has been built before toll is collected. two million dollars nearly?
The House divided; and the tellers rene in here and ca
The SPEAKER. If there be no objection Mr. INGERSOLL. They have not. ported—ayes sixty-four, noes not counted.
So the previous question was seconded.
Mr. INGERSOLL. All there is about that The main question was then ordered. accordingly.
is this: during the progress of the work, some Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I demand GERSOLL] Speldo
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. After the thirty years ago or more, the canal company the yeas and nays on ordering the preamble to word "cent," in the twelfth line, section five,
threw a quantity of débris into the river, to the bill to be engrossed. I move to insert the following:
some extent injuring the channel of the Potoduent provoaca
The yeas and nays were not ordered. Which said certificate shall be published for three
mac. A large amount of broken stone, earth, ads are not posta, a
The preamble was ordered to be engrossed weeks in two daily papers in the city of Washington
&c., accumulated, and there was complaint | ayes 57, noes 40. pression, and does at the expense of this company.
made with regard to it. Thereupon Congress The bill was then ordered to be engrossed Mr. INGERSOLL. I agree to that.
appropriated $300,000 to the company upon and read a third time; and being engrossed, it li that is so, ka There being no objection the amendment
condition that all that débris should be removed was accordingly read the third time, and passed. $ sobject be akeri was considered as adopted.
by the company, and that in future no more Mr. INGERSOLL moved to reconsider the But I am 00:42 Mc WASHBURNE, of Illinois. There is should be deposited there. At the time that vote by which the bill was passed ; and also
another amendment which I hope the gentle appropriation was inade the entire county of moved that the motion to reconsider be laid E. I think iti
man will agree to, and it is this: it is required | Alexandria, through which this canal was in on the table. I know that is that it shall be lawful for said lessees to com
tended to and now does run, was within the The latter motion was agreed to. the company sro mute those rates to persons requiring yearly limits of the District of Columbia, forming
NATIONAL SAFE DEPOSIT COMPANY. passes. Of course it would be lawful without the territory over which Congress exercised rought suit abast
Mr. INGERSOLL, from the Committee for any legislation by Congress. I want to make
exclusive legislation. tunt company M it obligatory. This may be a great thorough.
Mr. BUTLER. Who built these stone piers the District of Columbia, reported back, with ) the narigato fare across which the people from Virginia will
opon which the aqueduct rests mentioned in the recommendation that it do pass, the bill bring their market products, and it is of great
the second section? Did not Cougress do (H. R. No. 579) supplemental to an act to importance that they should be permitted to that?
incorporate the National Safe Deposit Com. commute. I want to amend the section so it
Mr. INGERSOLL. No, sir. The original pany of Washington, in the District of Columwill read as follows: canal company chartered by Congress received bia, approved January 22, 1867.
The bill was read. The first section empow. Provided, however, That it shall bo obligatory on
from Congress an appropriation of $300,000 said lessoes to commute those rates to perovus requir
upon the condition I bave named; but, sir, if ers the National Safe Deposit Company to ing yearly passes at a reduction of the rates herein the Government should pay a reasonable com receive on deposit from time to time such sums specified of at least twenty-five per cent.
pensation for the aqueduct which it used during of money, not less than ten cents, as may be Mr. INGERSOLL. I object to that. Every the tive years of the war, which it had exclusive offered by tradesmen, clerks, mechanics, laborbody permanently located on each side of the control of, and in the use of it destroyed the ers, servants, minors, married women, and bridge would of course come and demand their canal and its franchise altogether, so that at others, and to invest the saine in stocks of the commutation passes, and the result might be a the close of the war that property, which bad United States, or such other security or securigreat loss to the company. There is no obliga cost a great many hundreds of ihousands of ties as may from time to time be authorized by tion which compels the people to go over this dollars, was almost worthless, it would amount the board of directors of said corporation. The bridge. It is a private enterprise. These parties to far more than three hundred thousand dol corporation shall receive all sums of current baye already expended $250,000 on this canal lars. The Government has almost destroyed money offered as aforesaid, and invest the same and aqueduct. They do not ask any aid from this property without payiug one dollar of com. in the manner aforesaid, and as soon as practi. the Government. The gentleraan asks some. pensation to the old company, and none is pro cable they shall allow to the depositors interest thing unreasonable, and I think unfair. posed to be paid now.
on their deposits, to be regulated by the board Mr. MULLINS. Inform me how much the Mr. BUTLER, Why should the Govern. of directors, and they shall pay the amounts Government paid toward this aqueduct? We ment pay for damages done in the State of deposited, with the interest thereon, or any now propose to give it to this company.
Virginia, which was disloyal, any more than part thereuf, not less than ten cents, to the Mr. INGERSOLL. Nothing that I know of. in the rest of the rebel States?
depositors at the place of business of said cor: Mr. PAINE. I wish to offer some amend Mr. INGERSOLL. Nobody proposes to poration at any time during business hours, on ments.
pay for damages in that or any other disloyal demand. Mr. INGERSOLL. I will hear them. part of the country.
The second section provides that the board Mr. PAINE. I move to strike out in sec. Mr. BUTLER. That is the proposition. of directors shall regulate the rate of interest tion four these words:
Mr. INGERSOLL. No, sir; that is not the upon deposits and publish the same annually; And they may bave such other rights and powers, proposition before the House. I demand the that interest shall not be allowed to any and under such restrictions as at present are provided in the general railroad laws of the State of previous question,
depositor until his deposit amounts to five dol. Mr. RAUM. I ask the gentleman to allow lars, the interest to be calculated by calendar Inasmuch as this road comes into the Dis
the following amendment to come in at the end months only, and no interest to be allowed for trict of Columbia it seems to me absurd that of the bill:
the fraction of a month; that deposits made we should allow the State of Virginia, even if
And provided further, That Congress hereby ro by minors or married women may be repaid Virginia were adınitted into the Union, to
serves the right to regulate the tolls on said bridge. to them and their receipt shall discharge the make laws for the road; and I, for one, cannot
Mr. INGERSOLL. I do not think that said corporation from any further claims for vote for a bill which allows Virginia to inter
Congress should reserve the right to regulate a sums so repaid. fere in this District in this way. I hope the
private enterprise because it happens to be a The third section authorizes the company to gentleman from Illinois will allow me to move
bridge across the Potomac at Georgetown any receive and hold on deposit and in trust, the amendment.
more than the right to regulate the price of estate, real and personal, including the notes, Mr. INGERSOLL. I agree to that.
calico in Massachusetts. I do not allow the bonds, obligations, and accounts of estates and The amendment was adopted. amendment to be offered.
individuals and of companies and of corporaMr. PAINE. I offer the following amend.
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I hope tions, and the same to purchase, collect, adjust,
the gentleman will admit the usual provision in and settle, and also to sell and dispose of the Strike out the following words in reference to the
bills of this sort. I presume he does not intend same in any market in the United States or connections of this railroad:
to have it passed without such a proviso as this, elsewhere without proceeding in law and equity, Or with any other railroad running to said city,
which I ask to be allowed to move as an addi and for such price and at such times as may be 07 with any railroad running to Georgetown, in the tional section :
agreed upon between them and parties conThe reason of that amendment, is that in
Sec. — And be it further enacted, That the right is | tracting with them; that the company shall
hereby reserved to Congress to amend, alter, or repeal also possess and have the power to make insurpassing this section as it now stands it will
ance for the fidelity of persons holding places confer rights without any limit in the future. Mr. INGERSOLL. All right.
of responsibility and trust. We should know what rights and powers we
The amendment of Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illi The fourth section authorizes the company to nois, was agreed to.
increase their capital stock to $500,000. Mr. INGERSOLL. I agree to that.
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. A single Mr. GARFIELD. Will the gentleman allow There being no objection, the amendment
question. Is it understood that the amend me to ask him a question ?
ment in regard to tolls and commutation is Mr. INGERSOLL. Certainly. whether this is a report from a committee. I should like to inquire pending and to be voted upon ?
Mr. GARFIELD. If this bill is merely to Mr. INGERSOLL. It is not; Mr. Speaker, | provide for safe deposit, it seems to me per: Mr. BUTLER. Js the gentleman authorized
my time is rapidly running away, and I cannot fectly proper ; but as I caught the reading of to accept these amendments ?
admit that amendment. I have yielded very the bill, it authorizes them to do a broker's
liberally, but I cannot yield any further. I ll business and insurance business. I did not 40TH CONG, 2D SESS.--No. 201.
District of Columbia.
confer upon this company.
was considered agreed to. Mr. BUTLER.
Mr. INGERSOLL. It is.
as in C
as in C
hear the bill very distinctly, and I would like Mr. BOUTWELL. Then I hope the House Mr. ; to ask whether the bill does allow a broker's | will vote down this bill, for it contains propo motion business to be worked in under the charter sitions for different kinds of business, wholly
The which this bill grants ?
incompatible with each other, and such as we Mr. Mr. INGERSOLL. There is nothing in. should not pass in any bill.
motion tended to be "worked in."
Mr. INGERSOLL. It may be that the ceed to Mr. GARFIELD. I will take that back. Republic will be overthrown if this bill should
the Spe I merely meant to ask whether this bill could pass. I call the previous question upon it. not be so construed, or whether it may not be Mr. BOUTWELL. Are we to have no time Mr. ] 80 intended, as to make this a brokers' com in which to discuss this bill?
this bil pany? Perhaps it may be all righit.
Mr. INGERSOLL. There are but three Commi Jr. INGERSOLL, I will state all I know minutes of the morning hour left, and it may Union. about this bill, and all that there is in it, so far be that this is the last of my political exist The : as I know. I think not more than a year ago ence, at least so far as the Committee for the the Ho Congress passed an act chartering what is District of Columbia is concerned.
Mr. called the Washington Safe Deposit Company, Mr. MAYNARD. I think the gentleman to the 1 like institutions having been created in nearly should allow an amendment to this bill, proall the principal cities of the United States, | viding that the gross receipts of this company The being for the safe keeping of valuable papers shall be taxed the same as the gross receipts or anything else of value inclosed in small of express companies are now taxed. compass. This corporation, chartered two years Mr. INGERSOLL. I have no objection to ago, went on and erected a building, within that.
debate which it placed its vaults of the most superior Mr. MAYNARD. Then I move the amend sidered kind, and engaged in the business specilied in ment I have indicated.
Whole the charter. The company has been in opera Mr. ALLISON. What does the gentleman would tion now for something like two years; it has mean by gross receipts?
Mr. conducted its business in the most satisfactory Mr. MAYNARD. That is a term well
at the manner. Yet, it being a new business, an ex understood in revenue laws.
bill sl periment, it has barely managed, with the best The amendment of Mr. MAYNARD was then Coin of management, to pay its expenses, although | agreed to.
debate it is composed of perhaps the best men in the Mr. INGERSOLL. I now call the previous | closed community in a business sense. They now ask question.
debati that their authority shall be extended so as to The question was taken upon seconding the would embrace the receiving on deposit of small sums
previous question; and upon a division there gener of money; enlarging the power of that institu
were-ayes 30, noes 38; no quorum voting. cating tion to some extent to that enjoyed by savings The SPEAKER. The morning hour has gestic banks.
expired, and this bill goes over until the subm Mr. PRUYN. Will the gentleman allow me morning hour of to-morrow.
Thi to make a single remark? Mr. UPSON. Is this a unanimous report
MESSAGE FROM THE SENATE.
them of the committee?
A message from the Senate, by Mr. GORHAM, Wher Mr. INGERSOLL. I think so; with the its Secretary, informed the House that the Sen consi exception of one member, perhaps.
ate, pursuant to request, returned to the House of th Mr. PRUYN. Will the gentleman yield to the joint resolution (H. R. No. 291) giving addi that me now?
tional compensation to certain employés of the debat Mr. INGERSOLL. For a moment, yes. civil service of the Government at Washington. Me Mr. PRUYN. I have looked over this bill The message further announced that the
to an hastily, and I think several of its provisions Senate had passed a joint resolution (S. R. are very proper. But there are some things No. 100) for the relief of certain contractors
that mingled with the good which I think should for the construction of vessels of war and not be there. steam machinery, in which the concurrence of
TE Mr. INGERSOLL. Then move to strike the House was requested.
If th them out.
ENROLLED BILL SIGNED.
M to a provision giving to this company power to
Mr. HOPKINS, from the Committee on insure the faithful discharge of duties and Enrolled Bills, reported that they had examined
M trusts, connected with the power to exercise
and found truly enrolled an act (H. R. No. the rights of savings-banks. Now, these two 870) to remove the political disabilities from
supp things should not be coupled together; no Roderick R. Butler, of Tennessee ; when the
get savings-banks should incur such risks. I there. | Speaker signed the same.
T fore move to strike out that part of the bill which authorizes this company to make insur
The SPEAKER, by unanimous consent,
ing ances; in fact, I move to strike out the entire
laid before the House a communication from third section,
star the Secretary of the Treasury, transmitting a Mr. INGERSOLL. I am willing to have letter from the Treasurer of the United States
min that portion stricken out to which the gentle- || Mint, recommending on increase of the salaries man objects, relating to insurance. of four cierks employed in said Mint, with the
tiore Mr. PRUYN. That section embraces two further recommendation of the Secretary of
1 things; one is authorizing this company, now
the Treasury ; which were referred to the made a saviugs-bank, to act as general agents
Committee on Appropriations.
QUARTERMASTER GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT. insure the fidelity of persons holding places The SPEAKER, by unanimous consent, also of trust and profit. Now, it strikes me that || laid before the House a communication from these two things are quite incompatible with || the Secretary of War, transmitting, in complithe exercise of the power of a savings-bank. ance with law, a statement of the contracts
Mr. BOUTWELL. Is not this à savings. || made by the quartermaster general's depart, bank already?
ment during May, 1868; which were referred ha Mr. INGERSOLL. It is not. to the Committee on Military Affairs.
ha Mr. BOUTWELL. What is it? Mr. INGERSOLL. It is a safe deposit
it company, and nothing else.
Mr. LAFLIN was granted leave of absence Mr. PRUYN. I think it is a highly respectfor ten days.
he able and well managed institution.
RIVER AND HARBOR BILL. Mr. INGERSOLL. I will accept so much The SPEAKER. The House resumes the of the gentleman's motion as refers to the insur consideration of House bill No. 1046, making ance power of this company.
appropriations for the repair, preservation, and th Mr. BOUTWELL. I have an objection to completion of certain public works, and for al the details of this bill, and to the whole bill. other purposes, on which the gentleman from
Mr. INGERSOLL. I do not yield to the Massachusetts (Mr. Eliot] is entitled to the PT gentleman to argue against the bill.
UNITED STATES MINT.
have the bill read item by item under the five. been printed and laid before the members of neighborhood of it for more than twenty-eight minutes rule.
the House, stating very fully the objects of years, and I know that it has always been conThe SPEAKER. The gentleman will have the appropriation and the great importance of sidered by the people there that the Wisconsin five minutes on every clause of the bill.
the appropriation to the internal commerce of river is not practicable for steamboat navigaMr. MAYNARD. I suggest that several of the country. I have in my hand the memo tion. Such is the treacherous character of the items be read, and then that the gentleman rial from the Legislature which states the char the channel, sand bars being formed, and there make a five-minutes speech; then several more acter of the improvement itself, the import- being sudden rises and falls of the river, that of the items and another five-minutes speech. ance of it to the States in that section of the before any railroad bridges were built, and in
Mr. ELIOT. It is hard to cut up a speech Union, the growing commerce of that region, the face of every effort to navigate that river in into five-minutes sections. [Laughter.] and the plan of improvement which the Gov- order to bring its commerce down the Mis
Mr. CULLOM. I would inquire if the gen ernment, under the authority of surveys made sissippi to Dubuque and Galena, we found it tleman from Ohio [Mr. SPALDING] is not will. by order of the House, has determined upon. necessary to abandon all attempts. ing to allow the gentleman from Massachusetts I had a long interview with the distinguished At the last session of Congress an appropri. half an hour,
engineer who has had the examination of this ation of $40,000 was made for this purpose. Mr. SPALDING. Not six minutes, Mr. work in charge, at the instance of the chair. 1) Thegentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Elior] Speaker. I will give him five. [Laughter.] man of the committee and of my friend from says that I assented to that river and harbor
Mr. ELIOT. Mr. Speaker, I certainly will Wisconsin, [Mr. WASHBURN,] who is more bill. I do not know but that I may have given not, under the leave which has been granted particularly interested in this locality, and I it a sort of assent. I had very little to do with me, take advantage of the courtesy of the House, learned from him the arguments upon which it. I was sick, and I believe when the bill bat I will try to confine myself within the thirty the propriety of this appropriation rests. The passed I was not present. But I find that there minutes.
work itself is one which has to be done if the is an appropriation here of $40,000 for the A MEMBER. The gentleman from Ohio (Mr. || Government of the United States proposes to improvement of the Wisconsin river. SPALDING) refuses to withdraw his objection. continue the policy which has been laid down Well, sir, I am sorry to say that the gentle
Mr. ELIOT. I beg pardon. I will then for the last three or four years in regard to man from Massachusetts [Mr. Elior] did not come under the five-minutes rule.
internal improvements. It is not an excep; read the report of General Warren on this Mr. SCOFIELD. I rise to inquire whether tional case.
It rests upon the same general subject. According to that report this improveany portion of the bill has been read ?
grounds upon which allthe appropriations which ment which we are now asked to initiate will The SPEAKER. It has been supposed to are asked for in this bill rest. I do not know cost, before it can ever amount to anything, be read in Committee of the Whole.
whether the gentleman proposes to question from two million three hundred and sixty thouMr. SCOFIELD. Can the gentleman from the propriety of the policy. In former times, sand to three million five hundred and forty Massachusetts speak before any portion is read? you know very well, sir, when the southern thousand dollars. And let me say here that I The SPEAKER. If the gentleman insists, platforms ignored the power under the Con do not believe there is money enough, and the Chair will have the first clause read. stitution of making these appropriations, it was will scarcely be money enough to spare in the
Mr. SCOFIELD. I insist on following the very difficult for the House, under the two Treasury for the next ten years, to make that rale, because the Chair always insists upon it thirds rule, to get before the House a bill of river navigable, unless you construct a canal when I am out of order. [Laughter.] this description. Do you not remember, Mr. from its mouth, where it empties into the Mis
The SPEAKER. The gentleman is rarely | Speaker, some eight years ago bow earnestly sissippi river, up as far as the portage. And out of order; whenever he is the Chair will the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. WASHBURNE] yet it is here proposed, in the present condition rule so. The Clerk will report the bill until tried to get out of the Committee of the Whole ll of the public Treasury, to commence this imsome member proposes an amendment. a river and harbor bill for the purpose of provement which, according to the lowest estiThe Clerk read as follows:
bringing it to the attention of the House? mate of General Warren, will cost the GovernBe it enacted by the Senate and House of Representa There are not a great many of those now pres ment some three hundred and sixty thousand tives of the United States of America in Congress assem entwho were in the House. The gentleman dollars. I say that we cannot afford to underbled, "That the following sums of money be, and are hereby, appropriated, to be paid out of any money in
from Ohio [Mr. Bingham) and yourself, the take works of this kind, which do not promiso the Treasury not otherwise appropriated, to be ex
gentleman from Pennsylvania, (Mr. STEVENS,] us more and greater results. pended under the direction and superintendence of the Secretary of War, for the repair, preservation,
my colleague upon my right, [Mr. Dawes,] The idea has been practically abandoned of and completion of the following works heretofore
the gentleman from Illinois, [Mr. Farns- || making this a navigable river. If gentlemen commenced under the authority of law, and for the
WORTH,] the gentleman from Pennsylvania, will be good enough to read the report of Genother purposes hereinafter named: That is to say. (Mr. Moorhead,] and my friend from Illinois, l eral Warren, they will see that a great deal of Mr. KELSEY. I rise to a point of order.
(Mr. WASHBURNE,] were here. We all wit it refers to bridges that have been built over The bill is not reported in accordance with the nessed the earnestness with which the gentle the river, and to the cost of dredging away the rules for reporting appropriation bills. It does man from Illinois, who was then on the Com obstructions which those bridges have made. not state the aggregate amount of money
mittee on Commerce, struggled to get the bill, | And then in addition to that he says it will appropriated at the end of the bill.
which I now hold in my hand, out from the require un annual appropriation of from twenty Mr. BLAINE. That applies to the Com
Committee of the Whole. It was opposed to thirty thousand dollars. mittee on Appropriations only;
upon the ground that the whole maiter was I have no time, in five minutes, to refer much Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. If the
outside the range of our action, and although to the general subject of river and harbor imgentleman will refer to my substitute he will
upon that question there was a very large || provements. The gentleman from Massachusee that I have conformed to the rule.
majority in favor of the measure, yet by a vote setts (Mr. ElioT] says I was at a certain time Mr. ELIOT. The objection comes too late. of 105 to 61 it was defeated.
in favor of river and harbor improvements. I The SPEAKER. The rule to which the
Now, sir, since 1865, there have been two was; but it was at a time when we had money gentleman from New York alludes refers ex•
bills reported from the Committee on Com in the Treasury, at a time when the people were clusively to the Committee on Appropriations, merce, with the assent of the whole committee not loaded down with debt. I was then willing which did not report this bill.
--not of gentlemen of one political character, to make liberal and proper appropriations. Mr. ELIOT. 'It is to be reported by para.
but of all political shades--for the purpose of But times bave changed, and I coufess that graphs, and no paragraph
has yet been
passed. || improving the rivers and harbors of the coun my notions upon the subject bave changed to The SPEAKER. The Clerk will read the try. The bills met the approval of the gentle. some extent. I do not believe, to the extent
man from Illinois. And yet at that time we I formerly did, in making appropriations for The Clerk read the first two items of appro
had just come out of the war and were some every object of the kind in the country; $20,000 priation, as follows:
hundreds of millions of dollars more in debt for å harbor here, $40,000 for a harbor in some For improvement of Superior City harbor, in the
than we are now. But the representatives of other place, and $50,000 for some other harbor, State of Wisconsin, $30,000.
the people in Congress recognized the duty and so on. I do not now believe in making For improvement of Wisconsin river, $40,000. which their constituents imposed upon them, these appropriations for local objects, where Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I I move to to see that the internal improvements of the they have no public interest. strike ont that paragraph.
country were so made as that the cereal pro [Here the hammer fell.] Mr. ELIOT." The gentleman from Illinois ducts of the West could find, in some cheap Mr. ALLISON. I desire to say but a word does not propose to defend his motion, and I mode, transportation to the East. It is in the or two in reply to the gentleman from Illinois, rise for the purpose of opposing it,
line of that policy that this appropriation bill [Mr. WASHBURNE.] I am surprised that he The SPEAKER. He waives his right by is offered.
should be found opposing this particular approTesuming his seat. The gentleman from Mas [Here the hammer fell.]
priation in this bill. There is no proposition sachusetts can now have an opportunity to be
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I move to contained in this bill for the improvement of
amend the paragraph by striking out “forty?' || any harbor, or for any purpose whatever, that Mr. ELIOT. The appropriation which is now and inserting "twenty. This is an appropri- affects the interests of so many people as this the subject of consideration is for the improve
ation wbich I would be glad to see made if I very appropriation for the improvement of the ment of Wisconsin river, in the State of Wis thought the work practicable. It is an appro Wisconsin river. In the brief space of five consin. It rests, Mr. Speaker-and the compriation in which my own constituents are
minutes allotted to me I cannot enter upon an mittee have directed the report to be made
interested, and I may say deeply interested, argument upon this subject, but can only urge upon the recommendation of the War Depart. and if I could see that there was anything prac- upon members the general statement of its ment, and upon arguments which have been tical in it I would be wiiling to vote for the importance to the grain growing region of the submitted to the committee through the Legis
West, to every farmer who cultivates the soil lature of Wisconsin, by a memorial which has l about this Wiscousin river. I have lived in the of four States adjacent to this improvement.
bill by paragraphs.
The gentleman says that the Wisconsin river made navigable for that purpose. I am not formed whic cannot be made navigable. In that he dis here prepared to say whether it can or cannot. acquaintanc agrees with the best engineering talent of this It is the opinion of General Warren that by at one timer dation. This river bas been examined over the expenditure of the sum of $3,000,000 it | stand it at : and over again by the engineer bureau of the can be made so navigable. It'it can be made so this, engine War Department, and they all say that it can navigable no appropriation of money could be in this they be made navigable. This appropriation of made so advantageous to the country as this, that by the $10,000 is but a small one, and is really for I could easily demonstrate that the country many point intended to verify the statements made by those could save $3,000,000 annually by the aid of a be overcom distinguished engineers, and to prepare the ship.canal from the Mississippi river to the result. Ik work so that improvement upon a scale com lakes. The distance is some two hundred stricken ou mensurate with our necessities may be entered miles. I will say further that you have appro Mr. WA. upon in the future.
priated to the Fox river for the purpose of im- || draw the ai I tell the gentleman from Illinois that not provement a very large amount of land. The Mr. SCO only his constituents, but the people of four Fox river has been improved. Slack-water | instead of States of the West are vitally interested in the navigation has been created ; and there is a questions progress of this work. It will cheapen the canal from Wisconsin river and the slack-water which I thi expense of transportation from the Mississippi | navigation to Green bay.
sider. In river to the lakes at least thirty per cent. Mr. WOODWARD. How do you propose || improveme Every article that is raised in the northwestern to improve the Wisconsin river?
be given b States will be transported up and down that Mr. WASHBURN, of Wisconsin. General that it will river if it is properly improved. Every man Warren, in the report which he has made on || plish anyt who raises a bushel of grain in Iowa, Wiscon the subject, shows you how he proposes to do $40,000 w sin, and Minnesota, is now compelled to pay it. He proposes to improve the bed of the
we are tog tribute to the great railroad corporatious of Wisconsin river not by a canal, but by a system the $40,00 that region. of dams.
whether th No man I ever heard of before ever said Mr. WOODWARD. There is no water there. even if we that this was not a convenient water communi. Mr. ALLISON. There is plenty of it. Gentlemer cation. Vessels have passed up and down that Mr. WASHBURN, of Wisconsin. I will
very large river for years. It is a mistake to say that this state the character of the Wisconsin river. wide river river cannot be made navigable by means of a Mr. WOODWARD. I know something about which shi reasonable appropriation expended upon it. this river, and I say there is no water there. stantly, fo It is true that General Warren suggests it may Mr. WASHBURN, of Wisconsin. The gen therefore, cost from two and a half to three and a half tleman from Pennsylvania says he knows some. in some w million dollars to make this work complete. I thing about that river. That may be, but I tain--and
Now, I know this does not appear to be an know something about it. I have lived near judge whe Illinois river; it is a Wisconsin river in this its banks longer than I dare say, twenty-five | $2,000,00
But though it does lie north of the years at least. I know it is a very bad river, will after State of Illinois, yet I would call the attention not for the want of water, for there is abund
But, sir of the gentleman to the fact that there is a ance of water, but it has a very wide, sandy | important vast region of country north of this Wisconsin | bed and the channelis constantly shifting There one State river, and west of it, and south of it, which is enough of water if you will confine it. You congressi will be benefited by this improvement.
may know there is water enough when I tell consin, [. Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Why does you that the river is three or four hundred miles Mr. CO the gentleman refer to the Ilinois river? in length and drains an extensive region of Mr. SC
Mr. ALLISON. I referred to the fact that country. It is the largest river in Wisconsin. lies in ne this is a Wisconsin river. And the people of There is abundance of water it it can only be portion a large region of country are interested in the controlled. This bill proposes rather as an league, [. improvement of this river, and desire to avail experiment an appropriation of $40,000. If behind i themselves of a cheap water communication it appropriated $3,000,000 I would not vote for tion of it by way of the lakes to the Atlantic sea-board. it, because I am by no means certain on the Wisconsi If that appropriation is not to be made, then || plan recommended by General Warren suc Pennsylv there ought not to be one singleitem of appro cessful navigation can be obtained. But I do that whi priation made in this bill. I regard it as the desire this appropriation of $40,000 should be chartered most important appropriation made there, not made.
and im because it affects my constituents alone, but
Mr. FARNSWORTH. For what purpose ? other Sta because it affects that great grain-growing Mr. WASHBURN, of Wisconsin. As an in the region of country. It affects the price of grain experiment.
limits. in New England and New York, and the price (Here the hammer fell.]
large rito the consumers of all articles transported Mr. COBB. I rise to oppose the amend
souri or from the East to the West and the West to the ment. I understand from the report of the parative East.
engineer, General Warren, that $40,000 is all of navig This Wisconsin river passes a point where that it is desirable to have appropriated at this improve there is a canal only one mile and a half in time, and that it is contemplated to use that
lies ma length, and that connects the Fox river with money by way of experiment by constructing submit the Wisconsin river. It is acknowledged to a wing-dam to test the practicability of the be the cheapest means of communication be improvement of this river. Therefore I op navigati tween the Mississippi river and the lakes by | pose the increase as moved by my colleague. ||$40,000 way of Green bay; and I ask gentlemen to But my principal object in seeking the floor is to gent remember that I speak here not only on bebalf to reply to the remarks of the gentleman from | about w of four million people who cultivate the soil, Illinois [Mr. WASHBURNE] in regard to its ought to but on behalf of the toiling millions of the being conceded by everybody that this river
or absol eastern States who are consumers of our pro is not susceptible of improvement so as to ducts.
make it navigable. I think the gentleman is time wb [Here the hammer fell.]
mistaken in his assertion. A considerable creasin Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I with- || portion of this stream passes through the dis- || ishing, draw the amendment. trict which I have the honor to represent, and
Mr. Mr. WASHBURN, of Wisconsin. I move I know that it has always been the opinion of to increase the amount to $50,000.
those best acquainted with the stream that a of the la Mr. Speaker, the Wisconsin river, being a very trifling outlay of money judiciously applied ures to large portion of it in my district, and there would make it navigable the year round. It Mr. being a large number of people living upon it, is true that the navigation of it has been aban. Mr. S and being useful, indeed, in navigation, I feel doned; I have seen a great many steamboats bound to say a few words to sustain this appro- | navigating it in years gone by, and it has always Mr. priation. Now, sir, the object of this appro | been the opinion not only of engineers, but of Mr. priation and the object of the improvement of the numerous raftsmen who have navigated that I the Wisconsin river is to give complete navi the stream since the settlement of the country, have ir gation from the Mississippi river to the lakes. || that it is capable of being made navigable all l'his is to create a ship-canal between the Mis the time. There is plenty of water, as bas sissippi river and the lakes. It is alleged the been observed, but being spread over a wide the int Wisconsin river is impracticable and cannot be bed the depth is so shallow that sand bars are I know
want to ure.