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ury, it is or is not best for us to stop where we when the appropriation for the harbor of Erie This bill appropriates for lake harbors, If it is, then let this bill be laid on comes up, that appropriation, if it is honest $811,000; for close liarbor, $318,000; for the the table. If the members of this Congress and just, and shall be defeated because I have | improvement of rivers, $2,741,000; for the are prepared to go back to their constituents fought against other measures, then my con. purchase of certain localities, and a certain and say that because of the fact that we have stiluents will suffer.

appropriation for the Portland and Louisville just passed through a long and expensive war, Mr. HOPKINS. I quite agree with the gen. canal, $2,017,000, and for the continuation of and because we have a large debt to pay, there

tleman from lowa [Ar. Allison] that this surveys, $260,000; in all, $6,141,000. It will fore we have concluded upon the wliole to let appropriation vil!"

appropriation is, for its amount, more import be observed by those who analyze this bill the whole system of internal improvements ant in its character than any other one appro that there are thirty-two lake harbors appro rest where it now is, be it so.

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priation in the bill. I have not the statistics at priated for; twenty-seven rivers appropriated that it would be the most disastrous policy, we t.

hand, and if I had I should not have time to for, and ten close harbors appropriated for. could pursue. This is no mere party question. I move to make is

use them; but the territory tributary to this It is so arranged as to reach perhaps the indi The gentleman from Ohio (Mr. DELANO) has There are the

river raises to-day of wheat alone one hundredvidual interests of some seventy meinbers of analyzed this bill and found so many lake aking this apport million bushels ; and that amount of grain, this House. It may be set down, to begin with, appropriations, so many river appropriations,

which is mainly transported to the East, and as an omnibus that a great many people can so many appropriations upon the coast, and so

from there to Europe, passes over the States ride in. t the $40,00 pomien

of Wisconsin and Illinois upon railroads at an Now, sir, if we were in a condition finan The object of the bill, sir, is to furnish ways y a small beginners average cost of fifteen cents per bushel. This cially to commence this scheme of improve and means by which the industries of the coun2.000.000 more on

improvement, if completed, even at the cost ments, I am not prepared to say that I should try can be made operative, by which they can w, I think in ga estimated by the engineer department, of be among those who would oppose it. But we work so as to make the opportunities which ne the question $3,000,000, will save that amount of trans have just crushed out a rebellion without re God in his providence gave to us effective and 2.000 hereafter, this

portation of grain, not only to the people of gard to cost; we have nearly got through the available. zr. It is another post lowa and Wisconsin and Illinois and Minne work of restoration and reorganization; and Mr. Speaker, of what value is it to us because

sota, but will save it to the consumers. The if there is anything left for the Republican in one season at the West an amount of grain people of the East are as much interested in party now to do, which in point of importance is can be raised which puts to shame the accuibis improvement as we are in the West. The higher and above all other things, it is a proper mulations of Pharaoh in the days when the great want of the West is cheaper transporta. and economical administration of this Govern brethren of Joseph went down into Egypt to tion of our surplus products. That country bas ment. We might part with this $6,000,000 for save their father from starvation? Of what already become the granary of this continent, the purposes contemplated by this bill

, without avail is it, sir, if the constituents of the gentlechannels. They protein

and is destined to become ere long the granary || laying a burden upon the people which they man from Illinois have got to burn their corn of the world. The man who puls his finger could notendure; but we would be inaugurating || for fuel, because they cannot convey it to mar

or his foot on these works of internal improve a scheme which would lead to the expenditure ket? of tbis appropt ment, which are so necessary to the develop of untold millions in the future.

If we are to be told because the Treasury is ment of that country, does an act of injustice | In reference to the particular item immedi

in the condition in which it is we are to wait to himself and his constituents and to the ately under consideration, the friends of the year after year until the time shall come, as nation at large. This river is susceptible of appropriation say that it is only an experiment the gentleman says in his report, when labor is being made navigable. It has a volume of to test the manner and practicability of carry. lower, when money is more plenty, why, sir, water to-day that, if properly controlled, would | ing out the project of connecting the waters of let me say before that time has come, if these float any boat that now runs on the Mississippi | the Mississippi river and the great lakes. appropriations are made and these improveabove Galena, and between that point and St. There is another project of connecting the ments carried on, the amount of money put Paul. I have lived near this river for ten years, waters of the Mississippi and the lakes by an into the Treasury by reason of these improve. and nearer to it than my friend from Galena, | improvement extending through the State of ments will over and over again pay the expenses and I assert that it is capable of being made Hinois. And the people of Ohio desire to to which we are now subject. navigable at a less expense than any other improve the connection they have made of the Sir, we have got to appropriate four or five Water navigation we shall ever have between waters of Lake Erie and the Ohio river. But million dollars annually as one of the natural, the Mississippi river and the lakes.

are we prepared to enter upon this scheme at fair, ordinary expenses of this Government if Mr. MILLER. I understood the gentle. this time? Is it just to the constituencies whose we do our duty as the legislators of this counman's colleague to say that this appropria interests it is our duty to protect for us to pass try, in which God has permitted us to live; and tion of $40,000 was merely to test an experi- such a bill as this at this time? In almost all it is in vain to single out this item or that item ment.

cases covered by this bill the appropriations for the purpose of raising on it a general arguMr. HOPKINS. This appropriation of here proposed are but entering wedges to ment against appropriations of this kind, uvless, $10,000 is asked for at the suggestion of the secure a way into the Treasury. The time indeed, gentlemen propose to stop where we engineer department for the purpose of build may come when these appropriations will be ing some wing-dams to control the current of required, but I deny that now is the fit and Now, Mr. Speaker, in regard to this special the river, and see if that is the best way of proper time to enter upon this policy of public appropriation. The 'Wisconsin river, as you improving it. It is undoubtedly the cheapest improvements. At the proper time, when it know very well, enters into the Mississippi. way, and if you will permit them to test it, we is in order, I will offer an amendment to this The Fox river enters into Green bay. The sball get an improvement which the gentleman bill, proposing a certain amount of limited object of the appropriation is to make such from Pennsylvania, with all his ideas of econ. appropriations for the preservation of such communication between Green bay and the omy, for which I honor him, and the gentle works as we have now in hand but which need | Mississippi river as that the whole production mau from Illinois, will be proud of as citizens a little more assistance, and leave this entire there can be carried down to the Mississippi of the United States.

policy for action at some future day when our river, so along down to St. Louis and New Mr. FARNSWORTH. I understand the constituencies will be better prepared to bear Orleans and out to the ocean ; or the other way, gentleman to say that this is the most feasible the burden.

as my friend from Wisconsin says. This is the project for water communication between the [Here the hammer fell.]

early part of the improvement. Mississippi river and the lakes. I want to Mr. ELIOT. We might as well meet this [Here the bammer fell.] inquire if Rock river, which runs through the

question now as at any time.

And perhaps

Mr. ALLISON withdrew his amendment. States of Wisconsin and Illinois, is not more

the particular appropriation now under con Mr. PILE. I move to make it $50,000 in.

sideration furnishes as good an occasion for stead of $40,000. Mr. HOPKINS. I will say to my friend the contest which it is evident this bill must Mr. Speaker, the wealth of this country, as from Illinois that I am myself and my con

meet as any item will afford. Sir, it is because of all others, arises from production, and prostituents are more directly interested in the these improvements are demanded by the peo duction can only be stimulated and kept up Rock river than in the Wisconsin river. I ple; it is because these improvements, although by rapid and cheap means of interchanging should be glad to see Rock river improved, they cost money, are among the expenditures commodities for the transportation of the and I expect to live to see the day, if I live which are productive, or while they cost money productions of one locality to another, for the to the common age of man, when not only return into the Treasury more money over and the Wisconsin river will be made navigable,

transportation of productions in excess to bui Rock river and the Illinois river also; over again than they cost; it is because of

where they are wanted. These great avenues and with those three great navigable rivers

those things that the Committee on Commerce of industry have received from all wise gov.

instructed the reporting of this bill. Some of ernments careful consideration and encourage. running through that territory which produces these measures are to a certain extent experi Until a very short period river and 80 much, we shall have what the West wants mental. How can it be otherwise? There is

ocean and wagon transportation have been the no question that the improvementis demanded; || principal medium of interchange of commodMr. SCOFIELD. I withdraw my amend

there is no question that the interests of the ities from one locality to another. Recently country require it, and that a large amount of the era of railroads commenced. They have

revenue will be produced to the country if the been built in this country as well as in all other Mr. DELANO. I move to reduce the amount improvement shall be inade. An appropria civilized countries; but it has been demon| 185,000, not for the purpose of occupying the | tion is made at the beginning for the purpose time of the House in reference to this partic.

strated that the railroad transportation is used ular item of the bill, but to direct the attention of seeing how it shall best be done.

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the river and ocean for the transportation of people have derived those advantages from it heavy commodities and the large agricultural which gentlemen truly depict as likely to result products of the country. What the Mississippi from the improvement of the Wisconsin river. | if you valley needs, that wonderful region of the I

agree that that river should be improred, but make country, unequaled by any upon the globe, I maintain it should be improved by the peo touches what it needs to stimulate its production is ple who are interested in it, as in the older | subject cheap transportation; and for that there must parts of the United States they have improved | financi be competing lines of water communication. the rivcrs upon which they depended. In a cer be sais The Mississippi river must be improved, and tain sense, it is true, everybody is interested. brough deepened, affording constant and ready com. tleman insists that it should be improved by Now munication with the ocean, It is equally the State of Wisconsin. Would he also insist

that se necessary we should provide for communica that when it is improved by that State and

ing he tion northward to the lakes, so that in the sum made a thoroughfare from the Mississippi to mer months it may be a perfect line of water Lake Michigan the public should have the ben and M. navigation. Then the productions of the Mis efit of it?

Gover sissippi valley will be transported either way Mr. WOODWARD. Most assuredly. whole cheaply and readily.

Mr. WASHBURN, of Wisconsin. The pub- | hausto In the light of this fact, which bears directly lic outside of Wisconsin?

which upon this specific improvement that is now Mr. WOODWARD. The State of Wiscon the ir betore the House, I think an appropriation of sin cannot shut the people of the United States broug $40,000 as an experiment to test whether the off from communication through that river. plan submitted by General Warren, the engi Mr. VAN TRUMP. If my honorable friend they neer, is practicable, should be made without from Pennsylvania will allow me, I can add an and t hesitation. It is true that if this river can be | important fact to the argument he is now mak intere improved its ultimate improvement will require ing in regard to the State improvement of the

While an expenditure of two million or two million Susquehanna river. Some forty years ago the being five hundred thousand dollars; but if the experi- || State of Ohio, then in her infancy, projected ment proves that it cannot be so improved as and completed, without any appeal to the Fedto render it navigable then the expenditure of eral Treasury for aid, a magnificent canal, run whon $40,000 does not necessarily entail an expend- || ning from Lake Erie to the Ohio river, a dis of th iture of the larger sum. tance of more than three hundred miles, at a

prove Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Does not cost of several million dollars. And yet it to ough the gentleman know ihat we appropriated day accommodates the commerce not only of erald $10,000 last year ?

Ohio, but of New York, Pennsylvania, and the M Mr. WOODWARD, I rise to express a few New England States on the northeast, as well repri thoughts on the general subject before the as of Kentucky, Tennessee, and other south stood House. I am opposed to all these appropria. ern States on the southwest. Let other States, tions. The rivers of the country are provided in regard to improvements confined within part

final the products of our countrymore they will have semblance of claim legitimate work can be proposed than to im to ask Ohio, through her Representatives in prove their navigation so as to enable people || Congress, to appropriate the money of the

as y to get the products of their labor to market. people at large to new local improvements.

like I agree to that, and I agree with those western Mr. WASHBURN, of Wisconsin. The State I ha gentlemen who magnify the importance of of Ohio taxes the public well, too, for the Wat garden of the world in which they live ; accommodation.

who for such I believe it will come to be realized Mr. ELDRIDGE. Will the gentleman from did by the world, and that before many years. I| Pennsylvania [Mr. WOODWARD) allow me to mis look forward to the time when people abroad ask him a question? It is rare that we get an will depend upon the great West for the bread | opportunitý thus to do it. While I am with tha they eat; and I wish the people of this country him

in the propositiongenerally would turn their attention to farming [Here the hammer fell.] more than they are doing. I wish some poli Mr. PAINE obtained the floor.

for ticians would turn farmers. is undoubtedly Mr. ELDRIDGE. I hope, by unanimous

Let true that the products of these fertile lands are consent, the gentleman from Pennsylvania $16 to be carried to market principally by water, for will be allowed five minutes to complete his they will not bear transportation by any more remarks. artificial communications. These things are Mr. WOODWARD. I have never yet had all true, and the argument so far as these facts time to get an entire idea before the House is are concerned is with the gentlemen who sup under the five-minutes rule. (Laughter.] Pe port this appropriation.

Mr. PAINE. So far as I am concerned, I But here is what I want to say: the Wiscon am perfectly willing that the gentleman shall ger sin river, if I understand it, rises, flows, and proceed.

wl empties in the State of Wisconsin. Is not that No objection was made. the fact?

Mr. ELDRIDGE. Then I will finish the is Mr. WASHBURN, of Wisconsin. That is so. question I was propounding to the gentleman.

Mr. WOODWARD. Now, sir, upon what The gentleman says that this Wisconsin river principle does that State come to the Congress ought to be improved. He admits all that

W of the United States and ask us to vote the gentlemen claim for it, except the source from money of the people of the United States in which they should derive the means to improve an abortive attempt to make that river navi. the river, and he tells us about the Susquegable by steamboats? If the descending navi. hanna as being of great importance to the gation of the Wisconsin be not sufficient for States of New York and Pennsylvania. Now, the people who live along its banks they should I ask the gentleman if there is not in this very do what we have done in Pennsylvania who bill an appropriation for the improvement of be live along the Susquebanna-take our own the Susquehanna, and is the gentleman going

to funds and improve our own navigation for the to oppose it?

Id purpose of carrying to market the products of Mr. WOODWARD, I am. I did not know

th our own industry. That is what they ought to there was such an appropriation in the bill. do. The Susquehanna rises in New York, runs But I tell the gentleman that I am going to into Pennsylvania, runs back into New York, vote against that very appropriation, and I will and then again into and through Pennsylvania, vote against it as heartily as I will vote against and einpties into Chesapeake bay, in the State | the appropriation for the Wisconsin river. I of Maryland. And yet you do not find the am in earnest about this matter. The gentlepeople along that river coming to Congress man from Illinois, [Mr. WASHBURNE,] who first and asking an appropriation of money to im rose to oppose this bill, touched the real core prove it. On the contrary, we have got a of this question. This country is in no condicanal, if not more than one, along the river, tion to waste money on these abortive attempts constructed by State taxes, out of State funds, to improve rivers that their Maker made innavunder State authority. There it is, and the ligable, and which man never can make more


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commercial State between the Alleghanies and upon the question of the ultimate necessity of Mr. ELDRIDGE. How can the gentleman
the Penobscot having an interest in the reduc water transportation for the agricultural prod speak when the House has closed debate?
tion of the cost of bread or the expansion of ucts of this country. I agree, also, that under The SPEAKER. It was ordered to be closed
northwestern trade will see her own prosperity other circumstances it would be the duty of the in five minutes.
promptly and sensibly stimulated by this or any General Government to aid in the improvement Mr. ELDRIDGE. I desired an opportunity
successful development of a water transit for l of that water transportation. I take no excep to speak myself.
agricultural products from the Northwest to tion to anything that has been said by the gen-

The SPEAKER. The motion of the gen. she sea.

It is not, then, a petty, local project. tleman from Wisconsin [Mr. Paine) or the tleman from Massachusetts was to close debate It will be no more a local improvement than | gentleman from Missouri [Mr. Pike] upon that in five minutes and it was adopted. is that of the Falls of St. Anthony, which is 1 subject. But I except to a statement that has Mr. BANKS. Mr. Speaker, I do not regard altogether within the State of Michigan, or been made by the gentleman from Pennsylva the proposition to improve the Wisconsin the improvement of the St. Clair river, which il pia, (Mr. WOODWARD.} If I heard him aright, || river as an experiment." I do not think it will touches only a single State. Why, sir, like the he said that this is the condition of things to prove an abortive affair, as suggested by the gen. Niagara ship.canal, like the canal around the which the country has been brought by the tleman from Pennsylvania, (Mr. WoodwARD.] falls of the Ohio, this channel of trade, wbile Republican party. I pray to differ with the I believe the plan of the Government engineer, situated in a single State, will bear back and gentleman in that judgment. It is a condition General Warren, will be entirely successful and forth the commerce of many States, will form of things to which the Democratic party has entirely satisfactory. I have seen this tried a link in a great chain reaching from New York brought this country.

myself, and I cannot by any possibility doubt through the valley of the great lakes and the And that is the foundation of my argument the result. I have seen, Mr. Speaker, large valley of the Mississippi to New Orleans. The Because of what has gone before, be steamers embedded from five to six feet in the great and rapidly growing agriculture of the cause of the war just closed, we are now as a sand with the river bed apparently dry leaving Northwest must have a water outlet for its pro people so burdened with taxes, so troubled a single little stream of water and then by the ducts to the sea. As the gentleman from Penn with exactions, that I think it is our duty to wait aid of wing-dams I have seen these steamers sylvania (Mr. WOODWARD] admitted, they will before we add to those taxes for the purpose lifted up by the power of water alone and not bear the necessary cost of transportation of making improvements, however good in floated into the river. I have seen that done; by railway; they must be transported by water, theory and however necessary in fact.

and I am just as confident that this proposed This is not less vital to the consumer than to Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, have all grown to plan of the engineer will make this river navi. the producer of bread.

their present gigantic proportions without these gable as that I can go from my place outside of Look, for an illustration, at the State of the improvements. They can wait one year longer this Hall, and at a cost of less than $40,000. gentleman who opposes this appropriation so without them, for their present growth is The effect will be marvelous. The principle strenuously, the gentleman from Illinois, (Mr.

I agree to all that.

I ask, then, is perfectly simple. It is this: where the water Washburne.] In the year 1865 his State pro which is best; whether we should go forward is spread over a large surface it leaves no duced over one hundred and seventy-seven mil and attempt these improvements now or wait | depth and allows no navigation; but if you lion bushels of corn alone. The precise amount until we have got into a condition where we collect that water by means of these wing-dams was one hundred and seventy-seven million can be just before we are generous ?

into a single channel just wide enough to admit ninety-five thousand eight hundred and fifty. Sir, if we upon this side of the House are to a steamer, you may increase the depth of the two bushels. That corn was worth in his State, ll stand upon anything as to the policy upon which water from five or six inches, or even where on an average, only twenty-nine and a quarter we propose to go into the next campaign it is there is apparently none at all, to the depth cents per bushel, while in the six New Eng. | upon economy of administration. We have ll required for steamboat navigation. I would land States, at the same time, it was worth on only this floor to show that desire. The Exec. not have believed it had I not seen it tried; but an average $1 19 cents per bushel, and in New utive Departments of the Government, which | having seen it, I know that the result of this York it was worth ninety cents per bushel. substantially control the administration of the experiment will be an entire success. ThereThe difference between the aggregate value of finances, are not within our reach or within fore I shall vote for the proposition. this corn crop of 1865 on the soil of Illinois our control; and the people must look here Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I desire, and its value in the market of New York was upon this floor as the only place where we, as in the remaining time of the gentleman, to call $116,883,262 32.

a party, can exhibit the principles upon which the attention of the gentleman from Massachu. It would have cost the constituents of the we stand. If, then, we vote away at this time setts [Mr. Elror] to the report of General gentleman from Illinois, and the other gentle six or eight million dollars let me say to you Warren in regard to the expense. The gentle. men representing that State on this floor, that the people will say, “ With our taxes we man says it can be done for $10,000. What more to transport that corn crop alone to the cannot afford to make the experiment;' and does General Warren tell us in this official New York market than the entire agricultural for this reason: without arguing the question document will be the expense of the improveproducts of that State for 1865 were worth on

as to whether these expenses are necessary or ment which my friend undertakes to inauguthe soil of the State. It would have cost more are promising great results or not, I say we are rate to-day? It is twenty to thirty thousand than the home value of the entire crop of in no condition to meet these expenditures. dollars a mile! That amount of money is to Illinois, including wheat, corn, oats, potatoes,

You might as well ask one of the mill-owners be taken out of the Treasury in order to athay, and everything else raised that year by of my State, who is so far in debt that his mill || tempt the experiment of making this river the people of that State. The entire crop of is mortgaged and he cannot get production to navigable. corn, wheat, rye, oats, barley, buckwheat, po meet his expenditures, to go into great expend Mr. ELIOT. I desire to say that I do not tatoes, tobacco, and hay, was worth at home iture to improve his property and render it | represent the views of Massachusetts upon only $116,274,321, and the difference between more productive at this moment. Wait until this question, but rather the views of the West the home market and New York market of the we are able, until we are able as a people, in spite of the opposition of the chairman of corn alone

was, as I said, $116,83,262 32. then I will vote for this and other expenditures the committee. And why? Because the cost of railway of a like character,

Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I do not transportation renders it utterly impossible

I ask my friends from the Northwest which yield to my friend to interrupt me in this way.
for bis constituents and for the people of Wi would they rather do-have these rivers im Mr. ELIOT. I think I am entitled to the
pois generally to transport their heavy products | proved this year, and upon the charge of floor.
to the markets of the East by rail. The North extravagance which will be made against us in The SPEAKER. The gentleman from
west must have improved means of water the country, have power pass out of our hands || Massachusetts is entitled to the remainder of
transportation to the sea. And nature has and so prevent future improvements-

the time, if he claims it.
indicated to us the great routes which we must
take. A thousand miles from the Atlantic and
[Here the hammer fell.]

Mr.WASHBURN, of Massachusetts. Whose
Mr. ELIOT. I move that all further debate time is it now?
the Mexican Gulf, the wonderful valleys of the

be closed on the pending paragraph in five Mr. BANKS. The gentleman from Illinois lakes and Mississippi intersect. About their minutes.

has no right to speak in my time.
intersection lie the grain-growing States which
The motion was agreed to.

Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I think are able to feed not only the people of this

Mr. ELIOT. I now yield to my colleague. I have spoken in the gentleman's time. [Laugh-
Republic, but the people of other nations also. Mr. BANKS. Mr. Speaker, I do not wish || ter.]
In the first place, we must have through the

to engage in the discussion of the general sub Mr. BANKS. I withdraw the amendment.
northern valley water routes around Niagara ject; but I will say, in my opinion, this coun The question
, and from Lake Erie or the St. Lawrence try is to be changed and improved before it WASHBURNE, of Illinois, to strike

out the paraor both to New York. And we must have the waters of the northern Mississippi con

will be able to pay the interest on its public graph.

debt. There must be something done, sir, for Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I desire nected with the waters of the great lakes by the industry of the country.

to make a suggestion to facilitate our action on

, this bill.
the Rock river improvement, or by means of Speaker, what question the gentleman from Mr. ELDRIDGE. I object.

Massachusetts is authorized to discuss. Is Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I desire
other way which careful surveys and experi- there any amendment now pending?
ments shall show to be cheapest and best.

to make a suggestion to close debate. It is in The SPEAKER. There is no amendment relation to voting. Will the gentleman hear it? pending,

Mr. ELDRIDGE. No, sir.
Mr. "Speaker, I agree

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then to a question of order. Has not the House the gentleman from Pennsylvania will with Mr. a right to take the yeas and nays on every sep draw his motion. There will be a substitute great o arate proposition in the bill?

offered which I think will be satisfactory to the substit The SPEAKER, After the House has passed House.

Mr. through the bill as in Committee of the whole, Mr. JENCKES. I rise to a question of making various amendments, when the ques. order. I wish to make an inquiry of the Chair.

a subst tion recurs, Shall the bill be engrossed and read The SPEAKER. That is not a question of a third time? a separate vote can be demanded order. on every proposition that remains in the bill Mr. JENCKES. It relates to a question of | majori not having been stricken out.

order. Is not the order of the House that the Mr. Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. The sug. bill shall be considered as in Committee of the time fi gestion I make is that: that having that right Whole?

enter to a separate vote on the various propositions The SPEAKER. It is. we shall save a great deal of time after we have Mr. JENCKES. Then how can a motion to discussed the various propositions by letting lay on the table be entertained if the bill is the in them pass, and when it comes to the engross being considered asin Committee of the Whole? ment we can have a separate vote.

The SPEAKER. Precisely for the same The SPEAKER. That can be done by with reason that the yeas and nays can be called in Mr. drawing the motion to strike out.

the House on any proposition now pending Mr. Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I under: before it, They cannot be called in Commit- yield stand that, and I withdraw my motion to strike tee of the Whole, yet they may be in the House Mr. out the pending paragraph. I shall, however, when the House is acting as in Committee of

gentle demand a vote in the House on the main prop the Whole. osition. I do not care about taking up the time Mr. JENCKES. Does the Chair decide from now, as it merely involves two votes. That is that the yeas and nays can be called now on rose, all there is of it. any proposition?

about The SPEAKER. The Clerk will read the The SPEAKER. They can.

the b rule on page 16 of the Digest.

Mr. JENCKES. I should raise the same oppos The Clerk read as follows:

question of order on that. "Upon the engrossment of any bill making appro

The SPEAKER. The Chair would answer priations of mouey for works of internal improve it by the Constitution of the United States, build ment of any kind or description, it shall be in the power of any member to call for a division of the

which declares that “the yeas


nays of the point question, so as to take a separate vote of the llouse members of either House on any question rior. upon each itern of improvement or appropriation shall, at the desire of one fifth of those pres. ingt: contained in said bill, or upon such items separately. and otbers collectively, as the member making the

ent, be entered on the Journal.” That does estiu call may specify: and if one firth of the members not apply to the Committee of the Whole, but there present second said call, it shall be the duty of the it does to the House of Representatives. Speaker to make such divisions of the question, and put them to vote accordingly."

Mr. WOODWARD, I withdraw the motion pria Mr. PHELPS. I wish to inquire at what

to lay on the table.

The Clerk read the next paragraph, as of it. precise point of time it is competent to ask for

follows: that division ?

strils The SPEAKER.

Forimprovement of Ontonagon harbor, Lake Su-
When the question is perior, $20,000.

[ stated by the Chair, “Sball the bill be ena

Mr. FARNSWORTH. For the purpose of grossed and read a third time?'' a separate vote

saying a few words I move to strike out that gent can be asked on any appropriation that remains

paragraph. I do not know anything about this in the bill and has not been stricken out.

ihis harbor, or whether the appropriation is a has Mr. ELDRIDGE. I desire to inquire of the Chair whether, the motion of the gentle

proper one or not. But I, for one, do not pro. man from Illinois (Mr. Washburne) having | pose to ride in this omnibus — been withdrawn, I have not now an opportu

Mr. ALLISON. I rise to a point of order. pass

I insist that the gentleman must confine his for nity of moving an amendment to the pararemarks to the paragraph.

prac graph?

Mr. FARNSWORTH. Well, if the gentle. part The SPEAKER. The gentleman has, but

man does that the same rule inust be enforced witbout debate, because debate on the para

on other gentlemen. graph has been closed.

Mr. ALLISON. That is what I want. Mr. ELDRIDGE. I understood that it was The SPEAKER. The gentleman has a right in only closed on the proposition of the gentle to state his reasons for moving to strike out the the man from Illinois. paragraph.

poit The SPEAKER. On everything in regard Mr. FARNSWORTH. I understand that a to the Wisconsin river. substitute for the bill has been prepared which

has Mr. ELDRIDGE. I do not desire to move provides for some of the most important works. an amendment for the purpose of amendment, I am myself in favor of general appropriations but for the parpose of speaking to it.

for rivers and harbors; but I am not in favor the The SPEAKER. The gentleman cannot of making an appropriation for every little do that under the order of the House. river and every little harbor that any gentleman

boc Mr. SPALDING. This bill being con

may happen to have in his district for the pur. jus sidered in the House as in Committee of the

pose of getting his vote. There are some works Whole, is it in order at any time to move to

of importance in the West. The St. Clair flats thi: lay the bill on the table ?

should be improved and harbors of refuge On The SPEAKER. This being the House,

should be built, for they are works which pertain the motion to lay on the table can be made.

to the interests and commerce of the whole har Mr. SPALDING. At any time?

country. But at the present time to appropri the The SPEAKER. At any time. It would ate $10,000 to be thrown into Lake Michigan at

tle not be in order in Committee of the Whole,

this point, and another $10,000 to be thrown tal but being in the House as in Committee of the

into it ten miles farther off, and another $10,000 Whole, the double privileges of the House and to be thrown into it a few miles further on ; to of the Committee of the Whole are vested in

appropriate, as this bill does, $5,000 for this the body in acting on the bill.

river and $5,000, for that, appropriations of Mr. WOOD WÅRD. On the motion to lay | which, in the judgment of any candid man, on the table I demand the


cannot be of any importance whatever in the The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio prosecuting the works proposed, it seems to

It [Mr. SPALDING) did not make that motion. me is all very absurd.

the Mr. WOODWARD. Then I make the

I do not know, Mr. Speaker, whether it is foi motion.

now in order to move a substitute for this tic Mr. ALLISON. And on it I demand the

entire bill. yeas and nays.

The SPEAKER. A substitute for the bill Mr. ELIOT. I hope this will be considered can now be inoved, but action upon it will be M & test vote.

reserved until the original bill has been perMr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I hope Il fected.







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merely for the purpose of submitting some “The engineer in charge does not consider it neces we could get along without a north pier for the general remarks. I now withdraw the amend sary to extend the piers further at the present time, present as we had for the past, I recommended but thinks it proper to repair the old work and

abandonment of that till we were better able ment.

dredge the basin to the depth of ten feet; for which
No further amendment was offered.
he estimates".

to meet the necessary appropriation, and that The following clauses were read:

For repairs of old pier work.........................$20,000 only so much as was necessary to complete the For improvement of Eagle harbor, Lako Superior, For dredging required in basin....

35,000 existing south pier and fully protect tbat should $20,00

be appropriated. Twenty thousand dollars For improvement of Marquette harbor, Lake Su


..$55,000 only was therefore recommended for Grand perior, $20,000. For improvement of Green Bay harbor, Wisconsin,

Haven harbor, instead of $75,000. $35,000.

Mr. ELIOT. The improvement of this Upon the same theory of a wise economy I For improvement of Chippewa river, 85,000,

urged an appropriation for Muskegon barbor, For improvement of Manitowoc harbor, Wiscon

harbor now contemplated can be found set out sin, $35,000.

at length in the report, pages 75 and 76. These l sutticient to protect the piers already built, but For improvement of St. Croix river, $5,000.

harbors are important not only for the pur of such temporary character, largely of slabs, Forimprovement of Sheboygan barbor, Wisconsin, $20,000.

poses of commerce, but as harbors of refuge. exposed to the fire of passing steamers, and For improvement of Milwaukee harbor, Wiscon The gentleman's amendment is in accordance | $10,000 was recommended in the last estimate sin, $15,000. with the estimates.

wbere none was deemed necessary in the first Mr. PAINE. I move to amend the appro• The amendment was agreed to.

estimate. Knowing that any day fire or other priation for the improvement of Milwaukee

elements might so injure or destroy existing

The Clerk read the next clause, as follows: harbor by increasing it to $25,000.

piers there that the harbor might be seriously Mr. Speaker, I cannot state all the reasons

For improvement of Kenesho harbor, Wisconsin, damaged, I could well urge something for that

$10,000. for my amendment for want of time, but I

object-and it was true economy, too-since I

Mr. PAINE. I move to increase that to think I have satisfied the gentleman from Mas

had cheerfully acquiesced in cutting down my $20,000. sachusetts [Mr. Eliot] that this increase ought

own harbor from $75,000 to $20,000. to be made. I will read from page 22 of the The amendment was agreed to.

It is for this reason, sir, that Muskegon harestimates for these appropriations :

The Clerk next read the following clauses:

bor appears with $10,000 in the last estimate "An extension of both piers three hundred feet For improvement oi barbor of Chicago, Illinois, against nothing in the first one. Upon the would postpone for many years the injurious results $13,000.

same principle of a wise regard to the condi. now threatened. This extension is therefore recom

For improvement of Michigan City harbor, In tion of the several harbors within my district, mended by the engineer in charge, at a cost of diana, $35,000. $65.872 80. Deducting present balance of appropria For improvement of harbor of St. Joseph, Michi

for similar reasons it was necessary to increase tion on hand, $38,354 53, would leave, say $23,000, gan, $20,000.

Manistee harbor from $20,000 to $25,000, as which could be profitably expended during the next For improvement of South Haven harbor, Mich

the bill appears. Bearing in mind that the fiscal year. The recommendatien is approved." igan, $20,000. For improvement of Grand Haven harbor, Michi

original estimate for this harbor was $60,000, Then I turn to page 78, and, relating to the gan, $20,000.

the gentleman ought not to complain if our same appropriation, I find this:

For improvement of Muskegon harbor, Michigan, laudable economy has reduced the appropria

"This extension is necessary; for the bar, though
Forimprovement of White river harbor, Michigan,

tion there $35,000, even if he discovers that
forming slowly, will in course of time obstruct the

the $25,000 in the bill is actually $5,000 more entrance if nothing be done to prevent it, and if the For improvement of Pentwater harbor, Michigan, work be delayed it will cost more when it is done,

than appears in the supplemental estimate. $25.000. because the bar will have to be dredged away, thus incurring an expense not necessary now." Forimprovement of Pere Marquette harbor, Michi

This $5,000 I urged for protection against the gan, $20,000.

ravages of fire, and because I felt confident I do not ask the House to appropriate any

For improvement of Manistee barbor, Michigan, that $20,000 would not be enough to keep more than is called for by the engineers in $25,000.

going the work already commenced, and give order to finish this work. I only move to

Mr. PILE. I find the last appropriation due protection to money already expended, add $10,000, bringing the appropriation up to

read is an increase on the estimates. I move and insure safety to the growing commerce of $25,000; and I ask the gentleman from Mas

to reduce it to $20,000, and I should like to that river.
sachusetts, who reported this bill, whether it is
know the reasons for the increase.

More than this, Mr. Speaker, without disnot reasonable?

Mr. FERRY. Will the chairman of the paraging other points of like energy, 1 may Mr. ELIOT. I am bound to say in regard | committee allow me to reply to the gentleman freely say that this appropriation and more is to this amendment that there was some error. from Missouri, (Mr. PILE.]

due alike to the enterprise and merits of the From examination at the War Department I Mr. ELIOT. Certainly.

citizens of Manistee. With an outlay and per: am satisfied it ought to be corrected. This, with Mr. FERRY. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman sistency which entitle them to all praise they other appropriations the gentleman will call from Missouri has moved to reduce the appro have, until within a very short time, made all attention to, are eminently sound and proper. priation for Manistee harbor from $25,000 to the improvements of that harbor at their own This appropriation should be increased to $20,000, and asks why it has been increased charges. It is but just to them that the Gov$25,000. I hope, therefore, the amendment above the amount recommended in the report. ernment should now come to their rescue and By reference to the annual report of the en.

share the burden of this work. Of my own The amendment was agreed to.

gineer department, to which I now call the knowledge and observation do I speak when I The Clerk read as follows:

attention of the gentleman, it will be seen that say that the enterprise exhibited all along the For improvement of Racine harbor, Wisconsin,

the amount originally recommended for that western shore of Michigan in respect to im. $10,000.

harbor was $60,000. With a view to bring provement of harbors of refuge is worthy the Mr. PAINE. For the same reason I move

the appropriations this year within the lowest consideration of the Government. Winds preto increase this $10,000, and make it $20,000.

possible limits, the House requested the chief vailing as they do from the westward the I will say, so far as the harbor of Milwaukee

of engineers to submit an est mate of the least whole shipping of the chain of lakes are more is concerned, the city itself has expended nearly

amount that would be consis'ent with the pres or less exposed to that shore, and the magnihalf a million dollars upon it. The city of

ervation of the works, already commenced and tude of that commerce entitles, yea, demands Racine has also expended a large amount on partly finished. The response to this request

aid to construct suitable harbors of refuge, and this barbor. I shall move to increase the was the supplemental estimate to which the you cannot have too many such. Vessels that

are annually stranded upon that shore speak appropriation for Kenosha also. The engineer gentleman

refers. In this modified report, making a very large reduction from the orig louder than my feeble voicu for what I am inal I most heartily concurred. The con. one;

contending. I regret, Mr. Speaker, that the "9. Harbor of Racine, Wisconsin.

dition of our finances, the burdens of necessary tive-minutes' rule deprives me from saying “ The plan for this harbor is to extend both piers, composed of cribs ballasted with stove, until a depth taxation demanded a scrupulous regard for the

what I would like to say on this question of of siteen feet of water is reached, and to dredge

most economical expenditure of the public protection to harbors and commerce and which between the picrs until twelve feet is obtained

funds compatible with the public interests. the subject demands, but I trust the gentleman "Due notice having been given, the bids were To show the gentleman how far that dispo.

is answered and that he will no longer press opened and contracts entered into for prolonging

sition was regarded, and in which I most cheer. his amendment. the north pier the required distance.

fully coöperated, I call his attention to the fact Mr. PILE. I withdraw the amendment. The engineer in charge recommends dredging between the piers to a depth of fourteen feet. The

that for the harbors in the district I


The Clerk read as follows: estimated cost of this improvement was $84,172 48:

sent the amount was reduced from $433,000 For improvement of harbor at Aux Becs Scies, the amount appropriated was $45,000; amount required to complete the work, $39,172 48; add for to $185,000, a reduction of $248,000 ; and Michigan, $10,000.

Forimprovement of Saugatuck barbor, Michigan, additional dredging, $5,000; amount which can be it will be further seen how materially this

$30,000. profitably expended during the next fiscal year,

For improvement of the St. Mary's rive operated on Manistee harbor, when the esti$45,000. The recommendation is approved.

Michimates for that were cut down to one third the gan, $20,000.

For improvement of Au Sable river, Lake Huron, original amount recommended. That the gen. "10. Harbor of Kenosha, Wisconsin.

Michigan, $20,000. !
"During the present season the contractors have
tleman and the House may appreciate how far I For improvement of St. Clair flats, Lake St. Clair,

shared in that disposition to cut down appro-
ended the south pier three hundred and fifty-two priations to the lowest possible figures con:
feet, and

Mr. EGGLESTON. I move, on behalf of “Adepth of twelve feet bas been obtained through

sistent with a wise regard to a just economy, the Committee on Commerce, to insert the fol. out the greater part of the water-way, between the

let me instance the case of Grand Haven har- lowing:
tion, and require rebuilding from the water surface.

bor, where I reside. The original estimate For improvement of the Sandusky river, Ohio,
for this was $75,000, and mostly for the con $15,000.
struction of a new north pier. Believing that The amendment was agreed to.

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