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Mr. HOWE. Well, sir, you have a state. that the work should be brought up as speedily again—and I have seen myself the great pile ment of the force employed in the Second as possible, so that they might examine the of coupons there—that he needed more force Auditor's office, and there are no temporary coupons day by day.

in order to get up and to bave the coupons com: clerks mentioned there.

Mr. HOWE. Mr. President, that explana - || pared and labeled, and put into the proper Mr. EDMUNDS. But if my friend will tion is plausible, and may be absolutely cor book, so as to secure the Government for the permit me, I suggest to him that the Blue Book

rect. I would not question its correctness at purposes for which this counting is needed at is the register of the regular employés under all but for two considerations: first, I suppose all from the loss that might otherwise occur. the law of the Government. The statute gives it is known to the Senator that that business of That is the fact; and in some way we ought to the Secretary of the Treasury the authority, || counting the coupons and all kindred busi- | provide that it shall be done. whenever the exigencies of the public service nesses are not provided for under this bill at Mr. HOWE. Agreed. require it, to employ additional force. They | all, but come out of the regular appropriation Mr. SHERMAN. Now let us have the do not appear in the Official Register as the made annually for the expenses of the loan vote. regular employés of the Department at all. business.

Mr. HOWE. The Senator from Ohio wants There is the difference.

Mr. FESSENDEN. With reference to this, the vote immediately now, but he cannot get Mr. HOWE. I understood you to say some. it came in incidentally on the statement of the it until I have returned my thanks to the Senthing like that some time ago, but when you Senator from New Hampshire, and I gave the ator from Vermont for putting into this case passed the book over into my hands you with explanation afterward. They are not paid drew that statement, and you rested your decla. out of this $150,000.

Mr. SHERMAN. The reason I called for ration upon the proposition that there was no Mr. HOWE. And secondly, that expense the vote was that this discussion has nothing such force in the Second or Third Auditor's is not paid out of this appropriation of $150,000, to do with the point. office.

not paid out of these appropriations for clerks Mr. HOWE. My friend shall have the vote Mr. EDMUNDS. That was all that was in any of these bureaus. That is chargeable to in due time; but I am obliged to the Senator required for that purpose.

the appropriation made for defraying the ex: from Vermont for putting into the case a fact, Mr. HOWE. We had the same purpose penses of the loan branch; I forget what they | It is this fact, that the business in the Regisunder consideration then that we have now. I call it, but probably that is it. That appro ter's office was in arrear; that there were four say there are both additional and temporary priation last year, I believe, was $2,000,000. million pieces of paper uncouuted. Mr. Pres. clerks enumerated there in that Blue Book that I wish the chairman of the Committee on ident, I am thrown back, then, on this concluthe Senator has in his hand.

Appropriations would correct meif I am wrong. sion: that if you want the business of that Mr. EDMUNDS. Where else except in the The appropriation for defraying the expenses office done, you must get it done in some other Treasurer's office do you find any there? of the loan department was $2,000,000 last way than by appropriating money for it, beMr. HOWE. I did not know there were year.

cause you have appropriated the money for any in the Treasurer's office. There are in the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Two million counting these pieces of paper every year; Secretary's office, and there are in some other dollars.

$2,000,000 the current year, $2,000,000 the offices; cannot now specify them. But I now Mr. HOWE. I think it was the same the year before, and all they ask the present year call attention to the Register's office. In that year before. I never have understood that is $2,000,000; that, they say, is sufficient to book the force is stated at five fourth-class they had reported a surplus. I believe they do the work, and they have had it right along, clerks, thirteen third-class clerks, nineteen pretend to have spent the whole appropriation || and the work is not done. Now, you must do second-class clerks, and five first-class clerks right along, and they wanted the same appro soinething else besides appropriating money ; in the Register's office. The Senator from priation this year, $2,000,000, but I think it is you cannot get it done in that way. So that New Hampshire [Mr. PATTERSON) produced reduced in the bill to $1,500,000. About that this fact, important and solemn as it is, does another official statement last night to the business this ought to be remembered, that not go to justify the making of these great effect, I think, that thirteen male clerks and your printing was pretty much concluded'; you appropriations for help, because it does seem over one hundred-I believe one hundred and had got out the maximum of your notes and to establish to my mind the conclusion that seventeen--female clerks had been employed your bonds, and you wanted some new bonds the work done is not at all proportioned to the in the Register's office since October last. printed, and some new notes for the

purpose money appropriated. That was read here in the hearing of the chair of transfer and to replace loss and damage, But, sir, I did not mean to ransack the whole man of the Committee on Finance. Nobody | but that printing could not amount to anything Treasury Department when I got up. The disputed it; so I did not. The only explana: like the printing which we had to provide for main thing I wished to say when I took the tion I heard of it was that the Register had during the war. The counting of your coupons floor was this: that by this time the head of the probably been dismissing a large number of could not have required any more help this | Treasury Department should be able to tell us clerks and employing these in their places. year than the year before, and I do not under how much help he wanted in each of these

Mr. FESSENDEN. The Senator did not stand how it is that this accumulation happens. bureaus to perform the regular annual recurring hear the explanation I made.

Having $2,000,000, all they asked for the year business of the bureau, and that by this time Mr. HOWE. No; I did not hear the ex before, and having spent it, and having only he should be able to tell us in what bureaus planation of the Senator, and I am very sorry $2,000,000 the present year to spend, I do not

there was an accumulation, an arrearage of that I did not. If it is capable of explanation see why the work for the year before must not business, and how much help he needed to I have no doubt the Senator explained it, or necessarily have been done, and why the work close that out. Where those accumulations

The explanation which I did of this year charged upon the appropriation of are I say give him all the help he may want hear, however, did not seem satisfactory to me, the current year, $2,000,000, should have been to do the work; but I think I have evidence because that very statement contained the num any more than the business of the year. So I now that this extra help is employed not ber of clerks who had been dismissed and who think the Register is mistaken in supposing that where those accumulations are, but where those had died, and they were less than a dozen. this large increase of women was made neces accumulations are not. I want to see the

Mr. FESSENDEN. The explanation is sary-a discovery detected for himself for the necessities of each Department ascertained, simply this: there is a very large arrearage of first time to bring up the business that ought measured by law, and provided for by law. Í business in the Register's office, particularly in to have been done the year before, and that protest that it is wrong to put a large sum of relation to coupons. Those coupons all have failed of being done the year

before.

money into the hands of any single individual to be examined and all have to be registered,

Mr. EDMUNDS. Will my friend from to be appropriated and disposed of just as that There are some millions of them behindhand Wisconsin permit me to make a suggestion? individual chooses, even if the individual be now. It is very important that they should be Mr. HOWE. Certainly.

the most honest man there is in the world. It examined at the time the coupons are paid,

Mr. EDMUNDS. I wish to assure my

is an irresponsible authority that you propose that the work should be brought up, because, friend from Wisconsin about this coupon busi- || by this amendment to place once more in the after two or three years mistakes in those mat ness, that the investigations with which I have hands of the Secretary to dispose of $150,000 ters cannot be corrected. Therefore it was been charged into the state of certain affairs just as he pleases. The pretext is that it is thought advisable to employ an additional in the Treasury have enabled me to know that, needed for help; but getting it into his hands, force, particularly of women, to do that work, as a matter of fact, for more than a year he may appropriate it for help honestly; but in order to bring up the work that was so past, there have been more than four million suppose he should not? If he be not an honlargely in arrear, and it is absolutely required coupons-I mean four million distinct pieces est man, he has authority to put it all into the by the public interests. With that view a large of paper-in arrears in the bureau of the hands of one man or divide it among a dozen ; number of persons were employed.

As soon

Register's office that counts and arranges the he can pay $1,000 a year or $100 a year or as the work is brought up, of course the force coupons and compares them with the reg $20,000 a year, as he pleases. That is what will be reduced ; but it is absolutely indispens. ister of bonds in the books, to see that there he can do, I think. able that that work should be brought up..

I are not duplicates, &c. Of course it must be Mr. FESSENDEN. The law provides the happened to meet the Register this morning || obvious to my friend from Wisconsin, as to salaries. and mentioned the subject to him. He told everybody else, that the proper administration Mr. HOWE. The law does not provide for me that if there was any oflice-room where of the business would require that they should the appointment of any one of these men. they could be accommodated, he deemed the be kept up by some proper means or other. I This is so much, $150,000 in a gross sum, put work so very important (and' I have no doubt am not now speaking as to whether people have into his hands' to employ help, temporary he is correct about it) that he should like to em done their duty ; but the business ought to be clerks. ploy one hundred more, in order to bring

it up kept up. Mr.

Moore, the gentleman in charge Mr. FESSENDEN. And the law provides As soon as possible; that the public safety with of that particular brancb, has told me, in the what those clerks shall receive, according to regard to all those matters absolutely required course of my investigations, over and over their classification.

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Mr. HOWE. The law provides that in each the series of amendments of the Committee on truer, or more steady devotion to his country, of these bureaus a certain number of clerks Finance, which the Secretary has in printed the great principles of the Constitution, and ranking as class four shall have $1,800 salary, | form.

the Union of the States and the liberties of and a certain number ranked as class three Mr. TRUMBULL. Before proceeding with the people under it. No man possessed of so shall have $1,600; and when it has gone the Senator's amendments, as the bill will man much patronage ever administered it with less through with the four classes the law is silent ifestly take time, and the veto which has just of purpose for party or personal ends or more and has said all it has got to say. If the Sen come from the other House is in reference to a singly for the good of his country or passed ator from Maine will examine the statute he bill that it is very important should become a freer from stain through all the temptations of will find that it does not meet his expectations | law at once if at all, as all the States embraced || power. His presidential career has been a at all. I think this money—this suggestion in that bill are being delayed, I move that the continued struggle, calm and intrepid, to per may be called a suspicion, but I think the Sen | pending bill be laid aside informally, and that form the duties of his great office amid unex: ate will confirm me in this much of suspicion-1 we take up the veto message and vote upon it. || ampled difficulties, perils, and opposition ; and this $150,000 will be, a part of it, appropri The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The pres not he, but others, are responsible for any ated to increasing the compensation

ent bill will be laid aside informally if there failure. Mr. FESSENDEN. Not at all; it can. be no objection. No objection being made, it His career, from the humblest origin through not be. is laid aside.

every gradation to the highest office, with much Mr. HOWE. The Senator says it will not Mr. TRUMBULL. I ask to have the mes wise, able, and stern competition at every step, be done.

all of which he overcame, his great natural Mr. FESSENDEN. It was done in the last The message of the President was read, as abilities, and a courage that never quailed in law, but cannot be now. follows:

the presence of any trials or dangers, mark him Mr. HOWE. I will take the Senator's guar To the House of Representatives :

strongly and distinctly as one of nature's great antee on that point, but I had supposed it would be appropriated in that way, and I hope that

In returning to the House of Representa:

men. At the dawn of the rebellion he stood tives, in which it originated, a bill entitled

alone in the Senate the solitary representative he will not give any bonds or make any posiAn act to adınit the States of North Caro.

of true allegiance to his country and her Contive assurance that it shall not be. The Senlina, South Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, Ala

stitution from the South, and the barning and ator's opinion on that point does not change

tremendous denunciation of the inflamed mind my judgment as to the necessity of regulating bama,,and Florida, to representation in Con. the disposition of these large sums of money gress," I do not deem it necessary to state at

and passion of eleven States burst upon him, length the reasons which constrain me to with

but it moved him not. He was elected to the wherever you put them into the hands of any hold my approval. I will not, therefore,

second office, and soon Providence and the man, be be honest or otherwise. undertake, at this time, to reopen the discus

Constitution devolved upon him the first. The
The question being taken by yeas and nays,
resulted-yeas 27, nays 14; as follows:

sion upon the grave constitutional questions | party which elected him formed bold, unpatri-
involved in the act of March 2, 1867, and the

oticand selfish schemes of ambition, and invited
YEAS – Messrs. Buckalew, Cattoll, Colo, Corbett,
acts supplementary thereto, in pursuance of

him to lead them. Still true to his country and Cragin. Davis, Doolittle, Edmunds, Fessenden, Frelinghuysen. Harlan, Johnson, McDonald, Morgan, which it is claimed, in the preamble to this

her Constitution, the people and their liberties, Morrill of Maine, Morrill of Vermont, Patterson of bill, these States have framed and adopted | lure which they had held up to him, and has

be broke away from his party and the dazzling Tennessee, Ramsey, Ross, Sherman, Sumner, Van

constitutions of State government. Nor will Winkle, Vickers, Wade, Williams, Wilson, and I repeat the objections contained in my mes

striven with steady, patriotic heroism to defeat Yates-27. NAYS-Messrs, Bayard, Cameron, Chandler, Conk sage of the 20th instant, returning without my

their mad projects by opposing to them all the ling, Conness, Drake, Ferry, Howe, McCreery, Nye. signature the bill to admit to representation

power with which he was invested. For this Patterson of New Hampshire, Stewart, Tipton, and the State of Arkansas, and which are equally that has no parallel. He has not been sus

they turned upon him with a relentless fury Trumbull--14.

ABSENT – Messrs., Anthony, Dixon, Fowler, || applicable to the pending measure. Grimes, Henderson, Hendricks, Howard, Morton,

Like the act recently passed in reference to

tained by the country as he should have been. Norton, Pomoroy, Rice, Saulsbury, Sprague, Thayer, Arkansas, this bill supersedes the plain and

His official career will soon close, but impar. and Willoy-15.

tial So the amendment was agreed to. for the admission to seats in the respective

the noblest of the day; and it will be among Houses of Senators and Representatives from

the grand annals of mankind. A message from the House of Representa: || the several States. It assumes authority over

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques. tives, by Mr. McPherson, its Clerk, announced six States of the Union which has never been tion is on the passage of the bill notwithstandthat the House had concurred in the amend- delegated to Congress, or is even warranted | ing the objections of the President of the Uniments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. No. || by previous unconstitutional legislation upon

ted States. 236) granting a pension to John Q. A. Keck, the subject of restoration. It imposes con

The question being taken by yeas and nays, late a private in the third Missouri cavalry: ditions which are in derogation of the equal resulted—-yeas 35, nays 8; as follows; and the bill (H. R. No. 347) to amend "An || rights of the States, and is founded upon a

YEAS-Messrs. Cameron, Cattell, Chandler, Colo, act to divide the State of Illinois into two

Conkling, Conness, Corbett, Cragin, Drake, Ferry, theory which is subversive of the fundamental Frelinghuysen, Harlan, Howard, Howe, McDonald, judicial circuits,'' approved February 13, 1855.

principles of the Govemment. In the case of Morgan, Morrill of Maine, Morrill of Vermont, MorBILL INTRODUCED. Alabama it violates the plighted faith of Con

ton, Nye, Patterson of New Hampshire, Ramsey, Ross, Sherman,

Sprague, Stewart, Sumner, Thayer, TrumMr. CONKLING asked, and by unanimous gress by forcing upon that State a constitution

bull,

Van Winkle, Wade, Willey, Williams, Wilson, which was rejected by the people, according

and Yates-35. consent obtained, leave to introduce a bill (S. No. 568) to provide for the erection of a build. to the express terms of an act of Congress

NAYS-Messrs. Bayard, Buckalow, Davis, Doo

little, Johnson, McCreery, Patterson of Tennessee, ing for a post oflice and the United States courts

requiring that a majority of the registered and Vickers-8.

electors should vote upon the question of its ABSENT – Messrs. Anthony, Dixon. Edmunds, in the city of New York; which was read twice ratification.

Fessenden, Fowler. Grimes, Henderson, Hendricks, by its title, referred to the Committee on Post

For these objections, and many others that

Norton, Pomeroy, Rice, Saulsbury, and Tipton–13. Offices and Post Roads, and ordered to be might be presented, I cannot approve this bill,

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. On this printed. and therefore return it for the action of Con:

question the yeas are 35 and the nays are 8. gress required in such cases by the Federal

I'wo thirds of the members present having A message from the House of Representa Constitution. ANDREW JOHNSON.

voted in the affirmative, the bill is passed not tives, by Mr. McPherson, its Clerk, announced

WASHINGTON, D. C., June 23, 1868.

withstanding the objections of the Presidcat. that the Speaker of the House had signed the

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques.

LEGISLATIVE, ETC., APPROPRIATION BILL. enrolled bill (H. R. No. 365) constituting eight tion is on the passage of the bill (H. R. No.1058)

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amend hours a day's work for all laborers, working. to admit the States of North Carolina, South

ment of the Senator from Ohio to House bill men, and mechanics employed by or on behalf

No. 605 will be read. of the Government of the United States; and Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, and Florida to representation in Congress, the ob

The Chief Clerk read as follows: it was thereupon signed by the President pro

Insert as a new section: jectious of the President to the contrary nottempore of the Senate. withstanding.

SEC. – And be it further enacted, That all acts of

parts of acts authorizing the publication of the deSOUTHERN STATES-VETO.

Mr. DAVIS. Mr. President, I rise to say bates in Congress are hereby repealed from and after The message further announced that the but a word on the veto message that has just

the 4th day of March next, and the joint Committee

on Printing is hereby authorized and required to President of the United States having returned been read. I am unwilling that the Senate shall invite proposals for tho publication of the actual proa with his objections the bill (H. R. No. 1058) || take the vote on the bill to which it expresses to admit the States of North Carolina, South | the dissent of the President without declaring

specifications to be previously published by them,

and shall also ascertain the cost of such publication Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama, and my hearty approval of it and my admiration by the Superintendent of Public Printing, and shall Florida to representation in Congress, to the of the wise, patriotic, and courageous states. report as soon as practicable such proposals and estiHouse of Representatives, in which it origin. man in this his last effort to stay the factious

mate of cost, together with

a bill to provide for the

publication of the debates and proceedings of Conated, the House had, in conformity with the frenzy of Congress. With a calm but dauntConstitution, proceeded to reconsider the bill, less spirit he has kept his oath, to the best of Mr. SHERMAN. I ought to state to the and having passed the same by a two-thirds his ability to preserve, protect, and defend the Senate that this is in pursuance of an act passed vote, the objections of the President to the Constitution of his country i and his many March 2, 1867, which gives the two years? contrary notwithstanding, trangmitted it, with messages to Congress remonstrating against its notice required by law to discontinue the the President's objections, to the Senate. infraction are of unsurpassed ability. No Amer.

arrangement relative to the publication of the Mr. SHERMAN. I now offer the first of ican statesman has demonstrated a stronger, Globe. After that notice was given it would

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seem to have become the duty of the Commit- sition introduced and sprung upon the Senate have been repealed, and yet, under this bill,
tee on Printing to make provision for the pub. without any consideration or any opportunity appropriations would continue for the publica-
lication of the debates; and I have conferred to examine it, when a bill is under considera tion of the Globe.
with the Senator from Rhode Island (Mr. || tion which has passed one House and is here Under these circumstances, after full con-
ANTHONY) on the subject. It is thought best soon to be put upon its passage.

sultation with the Committee on Printing and to repeal all the laws relative to the publica The Senator from Ohio tells us that he does the Committee on Appropriations, the Comtion, but we had not sufficient information to not know that this amendment will work any mittee on Finance undertook to provide for the enable us to determine whether the work could change; he does not know whether the work | publication of the debates of Congress. Instead be done cheaper or better by making a new can be done more cheaply at the Government of this being now sprung upon the Senate, it arrangement with the Globe office, or by ad- | Printing Office or not. Let me submit to him

will be seen by looking at the printed amendvertising for bids, or by printing the debates if it would not be advisable to make those ment that the Committee on Finance reported at the Public Printing Office. So the Commit- ) inquiries and ascertain the facts before we it on the 2d of June and had it sent to the Comtee on Finance concluded to report this sec repeal all the laws we have upon the subject. mittee on Appropriations. The Committee on tion, which repeals all acts on the subject from It seems to me it is starting out in the wrong Finance reported it after careful consideration; and after the 4th of March next, and leaves to way to begin by an absolute repeal of all exist. it has been considered by the Committee on the Committee on Printing to report at the ing laws for the publication of the debates of Appropriations; and now, carrying out this next session of Congress a plan for publishing | Congress, and that the better way would be to notice of nearly a month, I have offered the the debates after that time, and we shall have | authorize the joint Committee on Printing to amendment. There is nothing very remarkthe next session to consider and act on their || ascertain whether a more advantageous arrange able about it. This is the appropriate place plan.

ment can be made for the publication of the for it. I will say to the Senator from Illinois Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I suggest whether debates, and not coinmence by repealing the that every particle of legislation in regard to it is worth while to repeal these laws about the laws and rely upon making some arrangement the Congressional Globe is in an appropriation publication of the Globe until we have made hereafter.

bill, except the single case of a law reported some other arrangement absolutely for the I am a little surprised that the Committee by the Senator from Rhode Island,' [Mr. publication of the debates.

on Appropriations make no objection to gen. ANTHONY,) which is referred to in the section Mr. SHERMAN. It is much better to do eral legislation upon this bill, because if this giving the notice. The appropriations are in it. The present arrangement expires on the practice obtains I have in my charge, I think, the appropriation bills, and all the laws and 4th of March, 1869, and it is important that as many as twenty bills that the Committee on limitations upon the publication of the Globe the whole matter be swept away, so that the the Judiciary have agreed to, and we should are in the appropriation bills. This is the Committee on Printing shall have an open be very glad to have them passed, and I kuow proper place for this provision. It comes up door to make the best arrangement they can. of no place so good to put them in as this ap in the regular manner, and nobody is taken by

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I have no in propriation bill of my friend from Maine. They || surprise. It is not sprung upon anybody; it formation on the subject.

are all bills which ought to be passed, as the is done after full deliberation. Mr. TRUMBULL. This is an amendment committee think. They have the sanction of the All agree that we can make a better bargain which I have not bad an opportunity to read. Committee on the Judiciary, and if the Sena for the publication of the Globe, and we can It appears to consist of several sections chang tor from Maine consents to have this general || correct some abuses that have grown out of its ing entirely the mode of the publication of the legislation go on the bill we can makean omni. publication.

We can decrease largely the proceedings of Congress.

bus bill that will do for all the legislation that expenditure of public money for the publicaMr. SHERMAN. Only one section. all the committees have in charge.

tion of the debates of Congress. The question Mr. TRUMBULL. There are several sec. Mr. EDMUNDS. We have just had one omni was, whether we should make a new contract tions printed here together, but perhaps the bus bill.

with the publishers of the Globe, or whether other sections are separate amendments.

Mr. TRUMBULL. That was an omnibus we should invite bids to carry on the work on Mr. SHERMAN. Yes, sir; I propose to bill, so called, but still the subjects of that bill | the same plan heretofore adopted, or whether offer them separately. had some analogy to each other.

it should be done at the Government Printing Mr. TRUMBULL. I suppose it is not Mr. EDMUNDS. Not much.

Office. This was a matter which the Commits material whether the provision be in one sec Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator from Illinois tee on Finance did not undertake to decide. tion or in several sections. I saw that the has a charming way of making appeals to the They undertook, however, to report this secamendment as printed had several sections in Senate, but it sometimes requires a little patience tion repealing all laws authorizing the publicait, and I presumed they all related to this to listen to him. According to the general run tion of the Globe from and after the 4th of subject; but it seems that this matter is em of the logic of the Senate it would appear that | March next, and leaving the subject of the braced in one section, by which the publication the Committee on Finance are in some way or manner of publishing the debates after that of the proceedings of Congress is to be changed | other taking a snap judgment against some. time to be settled hereafter on the report of from the mode that has been practiced for the body, that we are doing something that is terri. the proper joint committee of the two Houses.

bly wrong, that we are springing something on That is all there is in the amendment. If we Mr. SHERMAN. Not necessarily.

the Senate. The Senator did not know the had undertaken to decide, as my friend from Mr. TRUMBULL. “Not necessarily | facts, or he would not have made such a declara. Rhode Island wished us to do, that it was betchanged !” The provision is that all acts tion. A law passed on the 2d of March, 1867, ter to publish the debates at the Government and parts of acts authorizing the publication provides as follows:

Printing Office, that might have been a cause of the debates in Congress are hereby re "That the notice required by the fourth section of ll of complaint; the Senator from Illinois might pealed." I should think that would necessarily the act entitled 'An act to pay in part for publishing

have said “the Committee on Finance do not change it.

the debates in Congress, and for other purposes,' ap know anything about printing, and we ought Mr. SHERMAN. It is agreed, I believe,

proved July 4, 1861, is hereby given that Congress
will, in two years froin the close of the present Con-

to have some better authority in regard to the generally, and there is very little doubt, that gross, abrogate the provisions of the first and second subject of printing." The result was that we the present rates are too high, that the present sections of said act.

did not undertake to decide that question, but contract is unnecessarily burdensome to the Here is the notice required by the law, which we simply provide that the appropriations public, and that we can make a better contract abrogates the main portions of the

arrangement made in this bill shall not be paid under the even with the publishers of the Globe. The on the 4th day of March next. The result of existing contract with the publishers of the Committee on Finance thought, therefore, we this repeal or modification of the contract is Globe after the 4th of March next, and that al had better avail ourselves of the notice given that on the 4th of March next there will be no laws providing for the publication of the debates last year, the law requiring it to be a two-years' || provision of law by which the Globe can be in the Globe shall cease at that time, and that notice to discontinue the present arrangement.

published, and yet in this bill there are appro the Committee on Printing shall devise some Certainly we can make a better one, even with priations for the publication of the Globe during better mode of publishing them. I am now the publishers of the Globe; but I think, myself, the whole of the next fiscal year.

prepared to say that many propositions will be from the examination I have given the subject,

Mr. TRUMBULL. Will the Senator refer submitted from men perfectly competent to do that the Globe had better be published at the me to the statute giving this notice ?

the same work at a largely reduced expendi. Government Printing Office; but that is a mat

Mr. SHERMAN. It is section eleven of the ture, and I have no doubt that the publishers ter on which I have not sufficient information | deficiency appropriation bill of last year. of the Globe themselves will submit bids, when to make any proposition now. By this amend.

Mr. TRUMBULL. What is the act to which called for under the operation of this amend. ment the whole matter is referred to the proper tbat refers ?

ment, largely reducing the price they now tribunal, the joint Committee on Printing, wbo Mr. SHERMAN. It refers to an act ap. receive ; but the probability is, in my opinion, will have the next session of Congress to per

proved July 4, 1864. There is no contract that the committee will find that we can do the

between the publishers of the Globe and the whole work better at the Government Printing Mr. TRUMBULL. It was because I had United States; the whole arrangement is under Office. not sufficient information, and I did not sup. provisions of law. Such was the condition of Mr. TRUMBULL. Mr. President, the Senpose the Senate had, that I was about to inter affairs. Here was an appropriation covering ator from Ohio is slightly mistaken as to the pose an objection to the passage of such an the whole of the next fiscal year. The result | effect of the action of Congress a year ago, if important provision as this upon an appropri- would be that if Congress should be convened it took place a year ago. I do not remember ation bill. “In the first place, it is very objec at any time before the first Monday of Decem the precise date of the act to which he referred ; tionable to introduce legislation on an appro

ber, 1869, there would be no provision for the but it was at the last Congress, I think. priation bill, as we are often told by the Senator publication of the Globe. Important elements Mr. SHERMAN. March 2, 1867. having charge of such bills. Here is a propo of the contract with the Globe publishers would Mr. TRUMBULL. The Senator is mistaken

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me for sto at that time. The law under which the debates || because the committee is required to ascertain and have it done by contract under such reguof Congress are published in the Globe required the cost of this work. We are not prepared | lations that the money of the Government that two years' notice should be given before it to decide to-day, the Senator from Ohio is not shall not be squandered. If my information should be abrogated, and all that Congress prepared to decide to day, whether it will be is correct the whole thing could not be worse undertook to do in the appropriation act to best to have the proceedings of Congress pub- managed than it is now. which the Senator refers was to give that lished at the Government Printing Office or

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The quesnotice. It did not abrogate the contract with to let the work out by contract. He wants tion is on the amendment offered by the Sen. the Globe at all. We had an existing contract information on that subject, and has provided ator from Illinois to the amendment of the made under a law passed in 1864 which could || in this amendment for obtaining it. Now, the Senator from Ohio.

aby pri not be abrogated except upon two years' notice, present mode of publishing the proceedings of The amendment to the amendment was and the act of March 2, 1867, gave the notice | Congress is in force, and is bound to be in | rejected.

and one by declaring

force until March, 1869. Between this time The amendment was agreed to. “That the notice required by the fourth section of

and March, 1869, the Senator from Ohio con Mr. SHERMAN. I now offer from the the act entitled "An act to pay in part for publishing templates arranging some other system for the debates in Congress, and for other purposes.'

Committee on Finance the amendment that is
publishing these proceedings. Why do you | printed as a third section. The second printed
approved July 4, 1864, is hereby given that Congress
will, in two years from the close of the present Con want to repeal at this time the provision rela amendment has been superseded.
gress, abrogate the provisions of the first and second tive to the existing mode of publication? What The Chief Clerk read the amnendment, as
sections of said act.

object is there in it? It may turn out that the follows:
Now, two years from the close of the Thirty: present mode of publication is the very best SEC.-And be it further enacted, That soction ten
Ninth Congress in 1867 would be the 2d of we can get. Will it not be time enough to an act entitle "An act making appropriations
March, 1869. Congress gave notice that they | decide that when we get these other proposals ?

for sundry civil expenses of the Government for the would then abrogate the contract. Now, then, I move to amend the amendment by striking | approved March 2, 1867, shall not be so construed as

year ending Juno 30, 1868, and for other purposes," the question is, shall we proceed now to abro out after the word "that," in the first line, to authorize the publication of any advertisements, gate it? We could not abrogate it without these words:

notices, proposals, laws, or proclamations by the newsgiving this notice. The object of the notice

papers in the District of Columbia, golected in accord

All acts or parts of acts authorizing the publica ance with the law, unlegs such advertisements, notices, was to place ourselves in such a position that tion of the debates of Congress are hereby repealed proposals, laws, or proclamations are delivered by if we thought proper we could make some from and after the 4th day of March next and the. the proper head of a Department to such

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for publication in accordance with law, and the rates other arrangement. All that we have done is So that the section will simply require the of compensation for such printing shall not exceed to give this two years' notice; we have done joint Committee on Printing to ascertain the the rates paid for similar printing under existing law. nothing more ; so that the publishers of the facts and report them to Congress, and then Mr. SHERMAN. I move to amend the Globe should not be taken by surprise by our when we receive their report we can adopt || amendment by inserting after the word "unaction. It seems to me if the Senator would such system as is thought to be best.

less,'' in the ninth line, the words "such pub. strike out the first three lines of his proposed The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques. lication is deemed necessary by the proper amendment, so as not to repeal these laws at tion on the amendment to the amendment. head of a Department, nor unless." this time, it will be in our power to repeal them Mr. MORTON. Mr. President, I am glad Mr. EDMUNDS. I would not put that in. if we desire to do so.

that this amendment is brought forward. If It is bad enough already. Mr. EDMUNDS. How would it read then ? we are to have a Government Printing Office Mr. SHERMAN. I will explain it pregMr. TRUMBULL. It would read as follows: at all it seems to me that we should there pub. ently. I desire, also, to add a clause at the

That the joint Committee on Printing is hereby lish the debates and proceedings of Congress. end of the amendment which the Clerk can read. authorized and required to invite proposals for the Would it not be as proper and as profitable to publication of the actual proceedings and debates

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amendin Congress, upon a plan and specifications to be

do this part of the public printing in the Gov. ment will be read as it is proposed to be previously published by them, and shall also ascer ernment Printing Office as any other part, such amended. tain the cost of such publication by the Superin as the printing of bills and the ordinary print. The Chief Clerk read as follows: tendent of Public Printing, and shall report as soon

ing that we must have done? If there is any as practicable such proposals and estimate of cost,

SEC. — And be it further enacted, That section ten together with a bill to provide for tho publication propriety in keeping a Government Printing of an act entitled "An act making appropriations of the debates and proceedings of Congress. Office at all, there is a propriety in having this

for sundry civil expenses of the Government for the If we did that it would be in accordance printing done at that office. If it is better

year ending June 30, 1868, and for other purposes,

approved March 2, 1867, shall not be so construed as | abso

to authorize the publication of any advertisements, lutely these laws it seems to me is striking in || Congress printed by contract, it would certainly notices, proposals, laws, or proclamations by the the dark. be better for the same reason to abolish the

newspapers in the District of Columbia, selected in

accordance with the law unless such publication is Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator will see that Government Printing Office altogether. deemed necessary by the proper head of a Departthis repeal does not take effect until after the Now, sir, if I understand our printing system,

mont, nor unless such advertisements, notices, pro4th of March. it is a very loose one and a very remarkable

posals, laws, or proclamations are delivered by the

proper head of a Department to such newspaper for Mr. TRUMBULL. But it takes effect at A large part of the printing consists of publication in accordance with law, and the rates that time. the debates and proceeding of Congress. That

of compensation for such printing shall not oxceed Mr. SHERMAN. Certainly, peremptorily. we have done by contract. Then we have bills,

the rates paid for similar printing under existing

law. And no advertisement whatever in any news. Mr. TRUMBULL. You may not want to reports, and matters of that sort printed at the paper published in the District of Columbia shall repeal them. That is the very thing I object || Government Printing Office. That is a second

be paid for by any disbursing officer, and if paid to. You repeal them before you get your establishment. Then we have a large printing

shall not be allowed by any accounting officer uuless

published pursuance of the several acts named in information. What possible objection can the establishment in the Treasury Department, and this section. Senator from Ohio have to leaving out the a very expensive one. That is a third estab. Mr. SHERMAN. I will explain the propo, first three lines of his proposed amendment lishment. I am told that there is also a print sition in a few words. This bill contains several and directing this committee to make these ing establishment in the Interior Department, items making appropriations for advertising in inquiries? We have got to act

upon
it.

and that the printing of the Interior Depart newspapers. Underan act wbich was passed in Mr. SHERMAN. I have said to the Sen ment is a separate business from any of the 1866 provision was made for publishing in two ator that we have already ascertained, and it || printing, that I have mentioned. I do not

newspapers in the District of Columbia all the is an undisputed fact, that the Government know whether the printing of the War Depart- | Department advertisements. By a subsequent may in several ways do better than the pres ment is performed in the Government Printing amendatory act in 1867 it was provided that ent contract with the publishers of the Globe, Office or not. Can the chairman of the Com all advertisements ordered by any head of a may do better with the publishers of the Globe mittee on Appropriations inform me?

Department shall be published in those two themselves. That is ascertained and agreed Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. That is done at to. We debated the whole subject a year ago. the Government Printing Office.

newspapers. Two newspapers were selected

in accordance with the law, the Daily ChronCongress would have abrogated the arrange Mr. MORTON. But the printing of the icle and the Evening Star, of this city. They ment then, on the day of the passage of this Interior Department is not, as I am informed; claim the right to publish as Government notice, but for the fact that two years' notice it is performed by an establishment in the In: advertisements all the advertisements pubwas required, and finally the Senator from terior Department itself. Here are four dis lished by the Government in any

part of the Maine Mr. TESSENDEN) came to the con tinct ways of having the public printing done. United States. Thus, in the papers I have clusion that we could not abrogate it until after Now, Mr. President, if we have a public print before me, there are advertisements of sod to giving the notice, and he drew the section, I ing office at all, let us have all the public print- | be put on a fort in New Mexico; provisions to believe, and it was finally passed.

ing done there, and let that printing establish be supplied in Utah; post routes in Arizona ; Mr. TRUMBULL. According to the Sen ment be revised and reorganized so that the and a multitude of advertisements of that ator's own amendment, other legislation will printing can be done cheaply and well. I be kind which certainly ought not to be pubbe necessary before we can provide for pub. lieve that we can have all the Government lished in Washington. lishing the proceedings of Congress. That is printing done by contract, even at one third Mr. JOHNSON. Are they now published

When you adopt that other neces of the present cost. The system is loose. It here? sary legislation, why not then repeal existing || is badly managed. We have three or four

Mr. SHERMAN. Yes, sir. These accounts laws ? Why repeal existing laws now to take ways of printing where we

should have but one. effect in futuro? We have got to legislate on Let us do it all in the Government Printing for adjudication, and he has ruled against

have been presented to the First Comptroller the subject. The Senator from Ohio says he office; make it an establishment adequate for them, ruled them out, and said it could not has the information already; but his amend that purpose; see that it is well managed; or I have been the intention of Congress to pro

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vide for such a class of advertisements being Mr. CONNESS. Let it be decided by the from Ohio, there is an advertisement for beef
published in the city of Washington.
language of the law.

to supply the Army down in Arizona, they had Another clause of that second act provides Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. If the Senator the right to take it and publish it, when every for the publication of the laws. By general vill allow me, I will suggest that I do not think | body knows there is no beef fit to eat to be law the laws are published at a very low rate it is a matter of discretion now. By law cer had in Washingtou, and no use of advertising in two papers selected in each of the States ; tain transactions are required to be advertised for it here. but by this law these two newspapers selected absolutely, beyond the discretion of anybody. The difficulty, if there is any, about this for the District of Columbia were authorized For instance, proposals for stationery and for | amendment which is to correct this abuse, is to publish the laws at not exceeding the rates supplies of all kinds in the Departments are that it is not stringent enough. It ought to be paid by private individuals for advertisements. required to be advertised. That is not a mat so confined as only to cover the class of cases The result is, that in one case that was pre ter of discretion ; but the question is, how ad that is referred to by the Senator from Calisented, one of the publishers of these city papers vertised ? In what papers? By the act re fornia and enacted in the act of 1866; that is here charged the Government $1,500 for ad ferred to in this amendment they are required to say, that class of cases where the existing vertising postal routes in certain States, when to be advertised in two particular papers; so law requires a publication positively in this the rate fixed by law as to other papers was that I submit to the Senator from California city, and that in all others they shall not pub$315. The Comptroller, when the case was there is no margin of discretion whatever, lish. I do not think the amendment goes quite brought before him, decided that it could not so far as that goes. The law requires certain far enough. There ought to be added to it a have been the intention of Congress to provide advertisements to be made. Then it directs provision something like this: to insert after for the publication of all advertisements or that they shall be pablished in these papers the word "proclamations,” in the eighth line of dered by any head of a Department in Wash- || absolutely. Now, the Senator from Ohio says the amendment, “and being required by law ington; nor could it have been the intention that in addition to those advertisements these to be published in the District of Columbia,', of Congress to provide for one rate of com papers have a practice of advertising for pro and then you will restore it to where it stood pensation for the publication in the States and posals which are not authorized by law to be under the act of 1866, to which the Senator for a rate several times as large in this city. made in these papers, but which are not for from California has alluded. These accounts are now suspended, and it will bidden, and which are advertised in different Mr. SHERMAN. I have no objection to be necessary for Congress to pass on the sub parts of the country; and in addition to that, carry out the purpose. All we desired was to ject.

they are in the habit of advertising proposals | give to the newspapers selected by the Clerk Mr. JOHNSON. Does this correct that which are not submitted to them at all by the of the House and by the law the publication practice?

heads of Departments. That is what I under of whatever has to be published in this District; Mr. SHERMAN. Yes, sir. The amend stand him to say; and this amendment is to but not to authorize or require by law the pabment has been carefully prepared with that correct that abuse. If I am right in supposing lication in this city of all the advertisements view. It leaves these two papers to publish that it is not a matter of discretion with the published throughout the United States. In the advertisements, and requires the Depart heads of Departments whether they will pub order to show Senators the charactor of this ments to give them all the advertisements lish what is required to be published in these business, I hold in my hand an advertisement that are published at not higher than the two papers, then it is clear that this proposi. for the sale of some stuff in Santa Fé pubrates now provided for by law; but it provides tion would not give these heads of Depart lished in this city. Here is a whole page of that no advertisements shall be published by

ments the discretion which the Senator from advertisements of mail routes, &c., in the far them unless they are furnished to them by the California supposes.

western Territories. proper head of Department.

Mr. CONNESS. I think the incorporation Mr. TRUMBULL. I should like to inquire Mr. TRUMBULL. Do I understand the of the words proposed by the Senator from how they get those advertisements? Did the Senator from Ohio to say it requires the head

Ohio as an amendinent to the amendinent will Departments furnish them to the papers here? of a Department to give them all the adver give that discretion; but I have already said Mr. SHERMAN. No; they get them from tisements ?

that I did not think it could be legitimately so the western papers. Mr. SHERMAN. No, sir; it does not re construed.

Mr. TRUMBULL. Copy them out ? quire the head of a Department to give them Mr. EDUUNDS. Mr. President, the diffi Mr. SHERMAN. I suppose so.

I do not any advertisements. It does not authorize || culty in this case appears to have arisen out of know where they get them; I did not inquire them to publish any, unless furnished by the the act of March 2, 1867. Prior to that, in the into that; but they get them and publish them, head of a Department, and it prohibits the act referred to in that act, the only advertise and present their bills, but the Comptrollers Government advertisements in any other papers ments that were permitted to be published in and the accounting officers hesitate about them. in this District except the two designated by the city of Washington were those that by pre They have overruled them thus far; but the law. I do not know whether I have made existing laws were required to be published in law is doubtful. I think the amendment as I myself understood; but that is the object of this city. The act of 1866 declared:

have prepared it will accomplish the purpose the amendinent.

“That all advertising, notices, and proposals for that we all desire. Mr. CONNESS. Right at this point, if the

contracts for the Post Oflice Department, and all Mr. FESSENDEN. If they play such tricks

advertising, notices, and proposals for contracts for Senator will permit me before he takes his seat, all the Executive Departments of the Government,

as that I think we ought to select some other I wish to suggest to him that the proposed required by law to be published in the city of Wash papers. amendinent to the amendment goes further

ington, shall hereafter be advertised by publication jir. SHERMAN. They will all do it. than that. It confers the discretion upon the in the two daily newspapers in the city of Washington

Mr. EDMUNDS. I wish to move to amend having the largest circulation, and in no others." heads of the proper Departments to with hold

the amendment of the Senator from Ohio by what advertisements they please. What is to

You will see that by the act of 1866 the

inserting after the word "proclamations, in hinder them from withholding all advertiseWashington papers were only authorized to

line ten, the words and being required by ments under that discretion, so construing it?

publish those notices that the law relating to That it would be an illegitimate construction I that class of notices required to be published || biit." That carries us back to the foundation

law to be published in the District of Columhave no doubt; but with political feeling such here. What those were I do not kuow; but

referred to in the act of 1866, to whieh the as exists, what is to hinder them from exerwe can obviously enough see that there are

Senator from California has alluded; so that cising that discretion in a most damaging man. certain notices that ought to be published here

it will not permit the head of a Department to ner to a paper that they do not like? and a great many others that ought not which

have anything published here except what the Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator from Caliwould be perfectly useless here. Then when

law already requires. fornia will see that we have provided that the we come to the act of 1867, referring to this

Mr. CONNESS. Nor prohibit it. two papers which have been selected shall pub

act of 1806 that I have read, the phraseology Mr. EDMUNDS. It would prohibit it; but lish all the advertisements that are authorized was changed, which led to this abuse, and was

it only authorizes the head of a Department to to be published here. adopted in this forın, the tenth section of the

deliver to these papers such advertisements as Mr. CONNESS. I understand that. act of March 2, 1867, referred to in the amend.

the law requires to be printed here. By lookMr. SHERMAN. And then we leave to the ment proposed by the Senator from Ohio :

ing at the act of 1866 it will be seen that it heads of the Departments to say what adver

" That all advertisements, notices, and proposals refers to existing legislation of various kinds, tisements shall be published. Somebody must for contracts for all the Executive Departments of

the details of which I am not familiar with, as the Government, and the laws passed by Congress decide that question. For instance, not to

and executive proclamations and treaties, shall here fixing that which is to be published, and another enlarge on this matter, I can read several after be advertised by publication in the two daily

class were to be published elsewhere. The advertisements that I have here which every

papers published in the District of Columbia now
selected under the act of the first session of the act of 1867 intended undoubtedly to follow the

Thirty-Ninth Congress making appropriations for act of 1866; but from the looseness of its Mr. CONNESS. I understand that. I do the service of the Post Office Department,” &c.

phraseology it covered all classes of advernot wish to charge the Treasury with the pub.

Thus it will be seen that the abuse we are tisements, and in its terms it certainly author. lication of unnecessary advertisements; but speaking of grew up under the act of 1867, izes the publication here of everything. Now, why not provide, in proper language, that that which seemned to declare on the face of it, if we limit the amendment of the Senator from class of publications shall not be made, without

referring to the two papers indicated by the Ohio, in what the heads of Departments shall leaving the discretion in the heads of the De act of 1866 as having the largest circulation, deliver to them, to those advertisements that partments to withhold what advertisements that there should be published therein every the law requires to be published in this Disthey may think fit.

advertisement, every law, every publication, trict, just as the act of 1806, which is the Mr. SHERMAN. Who is to decide what taking the terms of it, so that these papers foundation of all this, requires to be done, we are necessary to be published?

claimed that if, as is said by the Senator shall be perfectly safe.

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