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Mr. SHERMAN. The difficulty is that Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. But the law of there are some advertisements not required by 1867 gives it to the Clerk of the House of Replaw to be published in the District, but which resentatives. may properly be published here. For instance, Mr. EDMUNDS. Very well; but it only advertisements for mail routes in Maryland | declares that the Clerk of the House of Repmight properly be published here, but the law | resentatives is to decide which papers have does not require it.

the largest circulation. That is all. He is Mr. EDMUNDS. There is not half so much the deciding officer. That being so, all that reason for publishing them here as in Balti- we wish to do now is to limit the advertise.

ments that shall be put into those two papers Mr. SHERMAN. You have got to leave it and exclude all other papers from the adver: after all to the head of the Department. No tisements. To do that the Senator from Ohio head of a Department would abuse this discre- proposes that the lead of the Department shall tion. The Clerk of the House selects the papers. be the deciding officer, to decide what shall be No head of a Department will abuse the privi- | put into those papers. The objection to his lege that is conferred upon him, it seems to amendment is that it still leaves to the discreme, to publish advertisements unless they are tion of the head of the Department to insert really needed; but I doubt whether we ought advertisements that have no place here at all. to confine it so stringently that the head of a I propose to correct that by adding in the Department cannot publish in this District an tenth line, after the word "proclamations,'' advertisement unless the law requires it to be the words "and being required by law to be published here. There are cases where the published in the District of Columbia,'' not in law does not say where the advertisement shall

any particular paper, but published here. be published.

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Then the Sen. Mr. TRUMBULL. Is not that reasoning in ator and myself reach the same point prea circle? Does not the law of 1867 require it || cisely, except that I offer my proposition in to be published here? Is not that the very lieu of the proposition of the Senator from claim you have got here?

Ohio, and the Senator from Vermont offers bis Mr. SHERMAN. No, sir.

in addition to the proposition of the Senator Mr. TRUMBULL. I understood that what from Ohio, which I think will lead to a com. these newspapers contended for was the right || plication. to publish in this District everything. That is Mr. EDMUNDS. It will not do, as sug. wbat they claim.

gested by the Senator from Illinois, to have it Mr. SHERMAN. All we say is that they read *' required by law to be published in the shall not publish in this District advertisements District of Columbia," because the newspaper that are not furnished to them by the proper | proprietors contend that by the act of 1867 they head of a Department.

are entitled to all these advertisements now. Mr. TRUMBULL. That would accomplish Mr. SHERMAN. I will call the Senators it; but I was speaking of the amendment of to order for a moment, because there is now the Senator from Vermont.

an amendment to the amendment pending. Mr. EDMUNDS. My amendment is add- Let that be adopted, and then I shall have no tional to that. It still leaves it to the head of objection to either of the others. the Department, but declares that he shall not Mr. EDMUNDS. There is no amendment deliver anything, even in his discretion, to pending except yours, which is an amendment these newspapers, unless he delivers such to the bill, and I propose to amend that. notices as the law requires to be published here. Mr. SHERMAN. I have offered an amend.

Mr. TRUMBULL. You do not propose to ment to that amendment, which has not been strike out the other?

voted upon, to insert certain words in line Mr. EDMUNDS. Oh, no; by no means; nine, and also to add some words to the sec. it is merely an addition to it.

tion. That amendment to the amendment has Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I ask the atten. not been acted on, and until that is disposed tion of the Senator from Ohio to a proposition of all these other propositions are out of order. I will make in lieu of the amendment he pro- Mr. EDMUNDS. Very well.

Then we poses. In lieu of what is proposed to be are all out of order. Let us hear what the inserted by the Senator from Ohio, I suggest | pending amendment is. to insert after the word “law,' in the ninth The Chief CLERK. It is proposed to amend line, these words, and required to be pub- | the amendment by inserting in line nine, after lished the District of Columbia, nor ;'' so the word “unless," the words "such publicathat it will read:

tion is deemed necessary by the proper head Shall not be so construed as to authorize the pub- of a Department, nor unless;'' so that the seclication of any advertisements, notices, proposals, tion will read: laws, or proclamations by the newspapers in the District of Columbia, selected in accordance with the

That section ten of an act, &c., shall not be so law and required to be published in the District of

construed as to authorize the publication of any Columbia, nor unless such advertisements, &c.

advertisements, notices, proposals, laws, or procla

mations by the newspapers in the District of ColumMr. EDMUNDS. That is exactly the same bia selected in accordance with the law, unless such thing that I proposed to insert after “procla- publication is deemed necessary by the proper head mations” in the next line. It comes to the

of a Department, nor unless such advertisements,

notices, proposals, laws, or proclamations are delivsame result.

ered by the proper head of a Department to such Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I do not know newspaper, &c. but that it has the same effect; but it avoids The PRESIDENT pro tempore put the the construction that arises from the language l question on the amendment to the amendment, of the proposition of the Senator from Ohio, and declared it rejected. which seems to make it depend upon the dis- Mr. SHERMAN. I think there is some cretion of the head of the Department. misunderstanding. There is no objection cer

Mr. EDMUNDS. That will not quite reach tainly to the amendment to the latter part of it, because so far as it relates to these news. the section. papers selected in accordance with law the law Mr. EDMUNDS. I have an objection to merely requires the selection to be made from your amendment to the amendment, for the the two having the largest circulation. All reason that it leaves an absolute discretion in that that relates to is merely that the selection the head of a Department to decide what he must be made of the two newspapers having || will have pablished here. I think the law the largest circulation.

ought to fix that as it does now, and therefore Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The Senator is | I think the amendment of the Senator will mistaken on that point.

defeat the object he has in view himself. Mr. EDMUNDS. Not at all. Here it is Mr. SHERMAN. Very well; I will let the in the Post Office appropriation bill of 1866: gentlemen try and see if they can fix it up any "sball hereafter be advertised by publication better. in the two daily newspapers in the city of Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Now, I move Washington having the largest circulation, and to insert after the word "law,” in the ninth in no others."

line of the amendment, the words "and re

quired to be published in the District of Columbia, nor;'' so that it will read:

That section ton, &o., shall not be so construed as to authorize the publication of any advertisements, notices, proposals, laws, or proclamations by the newspapers in the Di-trict of Columbia selected in accordance with the law, and required to be published in the District of Columbia, nor unless such advertisements, notices, proposals, laws, or proclamations are delivered by the proper bead a Departniont, &o.

That excludes all proclamations and other notices not required to be published in this District.

Mr. EDMUNDS. That seems to reach precisely the point my amendment did. I do not see any objection to that.

Mr. SHERMAN. I do not know but that it will accomplish the object. Senators will

The only doubt I have about it is that it does not say,

required by law." Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I think it does.

Mr. SHERMAN. No; those words are not in it.

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I modify my amendment so as to make it read "and re. quired by law to be published in the District of Columbia, nor."

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The question is on the amendment of the Senator from Maine, as modified, to the amendment of the Senator from Ohio.

The amendment to the amendment was agreed to.

Mr. SHERMAN. I believe nobody objected to the insertion of the words that I offered, to come in at the end of the section. I ask that those words be read, and the ques. tion put on them.

The Chief Clerk read the proposed amendment to the amendment, which was to add at the end of the section the following words:

And no advertisement whatever in any newspaper published in tho District of Columbin shall be paid for by any disbursing officer, and if paid, sball not bo allowed by any accounting officer, unless published in pursuance of the several acts named in this section,

Mr. SHERMAN. I will merely state that

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publishing in papers not selected according to law, the Intelligencer and other papers, and they are making claims for advertisements, and are daily inserting them. This is for the purpose of cutting off that, so that the pubfication will only be in the two papers selected according to law.

The amendment to the amendment was agreed to.

Mr. CAMERON. Although this section pretty well guards the interests of the public, I think it requires something more

Mr. CONNESS. Let the section as amended be read.

Mr. CAMERON. I have no objection to that, and then I shall probably say a word or two on the subject.

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It will be read as amended.

The Chief Clerk read the amendment as amended, as follows:

SEC. —. And be it further enacted, That section ten of an act

entitled "An act making approprintions for sundry civil expenses of the Government for thoycar ending June 30,1868, and for other purposes," approved March 2, 1867, shall not be so construed as to authorize the publication of any advertisements, notices, proposals, laws, or proclamations by the newspapers in the District of Columbia, selected in accordanco with

the law, and required by law to be published in the District of Columbia, nor unless such advertisements, notices, proposals, laws, or proclamations are delivered by the proper head of a Department to such newspaper for publication in accordance with law, and the rates of compensation for such printing shall not exceed the rates paid for similar printing under existing law. And no advertisement whatever pub. lished in the District of Columbia shall be paid for by any disbursing oficer, and if paid, shall not be allowed by any accounting officer unless published in pursuance of the several acts named in this section.

Mr. CAMERON. I am afraid that this sec: tion is not yet sufficiently guarded, and I should like some of the gentlenien learned in the law who so often give us the benefit of their advice here, to draw an amendment repealing the law of last year. I understand that the Government

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has paid to two newspapers something like That requires in so many words all these will unanimously agree to this slight increase. $10,000 apiece, $80,000 in all.

publications to be made in the two newspapers It will not operate very long, because probMr. SHERMAN. . What papers ?

published in the District of Columbia which ably at the next session of Congress we shall Mr. CAMERON. The Chronicle and the have been selected by the Clerk of the House be able to act on the bill reorganizing the Evening Star of this city have been paid, or of Representatives, as the newspaper men Treasury Department; but for this coming year will be paid, for the printing of last year, under | insist, and weil they may insist on it under the it will raise the Comptrollers from $3,500 to the section which we passed last year, that terms of the act, although evidently that was $4,500, and I think that is too little ; I would amount. The greater part of that advertising not the meaning of Congress. It is proposed rather say $5,000; and it raises the Auditors was for the purchase and sale of articles so far

to correct that. I submit you correct nothing from $3,000 up to $4,000. The Senate can do beyond the circulation of these papers that when you simply suy that nothing shall be as they please on the subject. none of them could ever reach the people who | published here except what by law is required

Mr. CAMERON. I trust we shall not agree were interested. For instance, there were fifteen to be published here. That is the very thing

to this amendment. I am satisfied that this is hundred or two thousand dollars paid for an in dispute; and I submit that some other

not the time to raise salaries. Not one of advertisement as to the publication of mail amendment is necessary;

these gentlemen would give up his office becontracts in the Territory of Arizona. There Mr. SHERMAN. I had an amendment to cause his salary was not increased, and I was a large sum of money paid for an adver- guard against that very difficulty.

verily believe that if all of them did give up tisement asking proposals for a fort somewhere Mr. TRUMBULL. I know that amend- their offices we could get just as good men to down in New Mexico. I think there were half ment would have guarded it; but that has been put in their places for the present salaries. a dozen mules, or something like that, to be stricken out.

Why, sir, we have taken off $100,000,000 from bought in Idaho, and they were advertised here; Mr. EDMUNDS. I suggest that this section our tax laws, and we are now going on almost and in some cases these advertisements were

be passed over informally for the time being, daily increasing some item of expenditure or published here a day or two before the sale or and that we go on with other parts of the bill,

other. I doubt whether the Committee on purchase was to be made at these remote places. and in the mean time we can fix this.

Finarce themselves can tell how much increase This is an abuse which would shock the com- The PRESIDING OFFICER, (Mr. HARLAN is provided in this bill by the additional nummunity if they knew it; but nobody seems to in the chair.) That course will be pursued, if ber of clerks allowed, so far as we have gone. know anything about it. We hardly know it || there be no objection.

Mr. SHERMAN. This bill is a great dimourselves. We passed a law last year which Mr. SHERMAN. I have another amend. inution upon the appropriations of last year. we thought was going to prevent the heads of ment that I desire to offer from the Committee However, the Committee on Appropriations Departments from doing wrong, and we gave on Finance. It is to insert as an additional have it in charge. the power of selecting the printers to the Clerk section the following:

Mr. CAMERON. That may be, and it ought of the House of Representatives--a man who SEC. -. And be it further enacted, That from and to be a diminution. Some three or four or five had plenty to do besides attending to this duty, after the 30th day of Juno, 1868, the annual salaries

hundred clerks ought to be dismissed in place wbich he did not understand very well, I think,

of the Comptrollers of the Treasury and the Commis

sioner of Customs shall be $4,500 each ; ofthe Solicitor, of increasing the number. When we had an from the manner in which it has been done.

tho Auditors, the Register, and the supervising army of a million men in the field, with vast I do not know exactly how we shall get along | architect of the Treasury, $1,000 each; and the adwith this proposition, for these people are very ditional amount necessary to pay the increase of sal

accounts growing out of that immense army, it aries provided for by this section be, and the same is was necessary, probably, that our clerical force artful, as they have proved by their conduct hereby, appropriated.

should be very large; but now, in time of peace, last year. I should like to have this tenth Mr. President, here is a proposition to it is not necessary that we should have so many section of the law of last year repealed alto

increase to some extent the salaries of nine of these people ; and certainly at this time when gether. I ask my friend, the Senator from officers. From the temper of the Senate yes- taxation is oppressing everybody, and when the Vermont, to frame a provision repealing that section in such words that no comptroller who

terday I suppose it will be very difficult to get || town is swarming with men seeking to get places

them to agree to it; but the circumstances are we should not increase salaries. Why, sir, is a lawyer or anybody else can get over it. Mr. EDMUNDS. I should want time to do

peculiar; and nothing, but peculiar circum- | there is not a day that I am not called upon

stances would have induced us to report the || before I get my breakfast by somebody who that.

section. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques

This increases their salaries but wants a place here at the present rates; and yet slightly.

we are asked to increase the pay of these offition is on the amendment, as amended. Mr. SUMNER. What is the increase ? cers.

It is this constant increase of pay every Mr. TRUMBULL. Will it be competent Mr. SHERMAN. About one thousand dol- day that swells the number of office-hunters in to amend the amendment afterward ?

lars each. They have been allowed out of the the country. I think the most unfortunate class The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It will be fund which we have had so much talk about, in the world are the people who are induced to when we get into the Senate.

by the Secretary of the Treasury, for two or come to Washington to get a scanty living from Mr. TRUMBULL. I think nothing will be

three years, about one thousand dollars extra. the Government; and I would give them no accomplished by the amendment of the Senator

I desire to say that the salary of the First more encouragement. A man had better work from Maine, which has been adopted, to the

Comptroller, the most important officer in the at home at a couple of dollars a day in a work. amendment of the Senator from Ohio, and for

Treasury Department, was fixed in 1799 at || shop than come here and take one of these this reason: as I understand it, the law of 1867, || $3,500, when a clerk got but $800, and it stands | places. The most of them are taught idleness; referred to by the Senator from Vermont, as there yet. So with the First Audicor; he got they are taught extravagance; and every one construed by the newspapers and according to

$3,000 then, and he stands there yet. These of them will tell you he is not getting enough the terms of the law itselt, requires every adver: Auditors and Comptrollers are the most re- pay. My impression is that they would be a tisement to be published here in the District | sponsible officers of the Treasury Department. great deal better off at home. I for one will of Columbia. T'he abuse which we wish to

Upon their integrity and fidelity depend the not vote for any increase of salaries. After correct is this: a newspaper published in the

entire safety of the Treasury Department. They awhile, when we get our debt and taxes reduced, District of Columbia seeing an advertisement

pass in a month more accounts than the Court it may be wise to do so; it may not be necesin a Santa Fé paper by a quartermaster for of Claims will in three years, and decide causes sary, but it may be proper then to increase some lumber to build barracks, copies it into his

as important to the Government as the Supreme | salaries; but I cannot vote for any such proppaper in the District, and then brings his bill Court decide in a whole year; and yet their osition now. to the Treasury Department for payment; and

pay stands as it was in 1799. The present Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. I believe I & controversy has arisen there, the Treasury

First Comptroller, who is a man distinguished am troubled with about as great a stringency refusing to pay, and the newspaper proprietor || for ability, says he cannot live on the salary. of economy as anybody, but I am in favor of insisting that he is entitled to pay. That is the

The Second Comptroller, Mr. Brodhead, is a | the proposition to increase the salaries of these evil. Now, you propose to remove this evil

gentleman of great distinction; and he is also I believe that any one of them would of publication in the city of Washington of an

paid $3,000 or $3,500. These other officers, command in the business of the country nearly advertisement in reference to a local matter in

the heads of bureaus, the Auditors are paid double the salary he gets from the Government. Arizona or New Mexico or California or else.

now $3,000; and they include among them, as I am not in favor of that kind of economy that where. All agree that ought to be corrected.

we all know, men of great ability and high would save the cheese parings and give away The Senator from Maine proposes to correct character.

the cheese. I know that the First Comptroller, it by declaring that nothing shall be published The Committee on Finance were not pre- as the Senator from Ohio has suggested, has in the District of Columbia except what is || pared to take up the bill referred to yesterday, I charge of the most important business of the required by law to be published here. That is

for the reorganization of the Treasury Depart- Government. I believe he is worth to-day reasoning in a circle. You come right around

ment, although we expect to do so early more than half a million dollars to the Governto the same place.

at the next session. We thought it would ment. He is as good a Republican as my friend Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Will the Sen.

be very difficult to get action on such a bill at from Pennsylvania. ator read the act of 1867 to which he refers?

this session; but the Committee on Finance Mr. NYE. Who is he? Mr. TRUMBULL. It is the tenth section

unanimously recommended that this relief Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. R. W. Taylor. of the civil appropriation bill, as follows:

should be given to these officers, as we have We have not bad a man since the days of White "That all advertisements, notices, and proposals

cut off all opportunity, which the Secretary of tlesey that is worth as much money to the for contracts for all the Executive Departments of the Government, and the laws passed by Congress,

the Treasury has had under previous laws, to Government as this First Comptroller; and I and executive proclamations, and treaties shall here- make an additional allowance to them. That would be willing to pay him as much as any after be advertised by publication in the two daily

power is now cut off, and they are left to their man under the Government. I think he is papers published in the District of Columbia now salaries.

worth the whole increase that is proposed to all selected under the act of the first session of the ThirtyNinth Congress."

I trust, under the circumstances, the Senate the rest, rather than that we should be com.

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pelled to get along without him; and I say to examined these things. I believe, as the Sen- but there are in the office of the Register my friend from Pennsylvania, that unless his ator from Vermont says, that he is a very book-keepers who get $2,500 or $2,600. salary is raised he will leave tbe service of the capable, thorough officer. He watches vigil. Mr. NYE. Well, sir, there is a book-keeper Government. He is a man of large family, antly the interests of the Government. I be- who gets in the neighborhood of three thousand and he cannot support them here on his pres. lieve he is better worth $5,000 a year than dollars; and with the twenty per cent. we ent salary; and it is unreasonable that we any other man that you could place in that have been in the habit of giving it is more should ask him to do so.

position would be half that amount. He is than that. Mr. CORBETT obtained the floor.

thoroughly acquainted with the business of the Mr. MORRILL, of Vermont. And they Mr. CAMERON. This is the old argument, oflice. There is a very large business to be are picked away at once and taken to New that men in office could do a great deal better transacted there. Very large claims are coming || York, where they get $5,000, $6,000, and out of it.

constantly before him. It seems to me that some of them $10,000. The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the to give him a salary that will merely keep his Mr. NYE. My friend from Vermont has an Senator from Oregon yield to the Senator from family and not allow him to lay up anything | apprehension that there is danger of the Gov: Pennsylvania ?

for a rainy day is very unjust. I think his ernment losing some of these Comptrollers. Mr. CAMERON. I beg pardon ; I did not services are worth as much as the services of Let me tell him that he need have no such observe that the Senator from Oregon had any Senator here.

fear; they will stay. I have never known one obtained the floor.

I shall support this amendment of the Sen- to qnit here who got good pay. I am not Mr. CORBETT. I give way to the Senator ator from Ohio, to raise the salaries of these | finding fault with paying this salary to these from Pennsylvania.

Comptrollers and Auditors who pass upon Comptrollers; perhaps it is right; but I insist Mr. CAMERON. I am much obliged to the large claims and judge of them. I think they | upon it that the Treasury Department is not Senator. I merely desire to say that the argu- should receive a salary that would place them the only Department of this Government; and ment of the Senator from Vermont is the com- above

any influences that might tempt them to if the committee who have it in charge are mon one always given when you say a word swerve from their duty in judging of claims, || going about to do justice, as I have no doubt against an increase of salaries. It is said that and acting upon the independently. We the Senator from Ohio intends to do, I can the men holding these offices can do a great || know, and have heard it said, that influences find them cases more deserving, men with as deal better in private life. Then I say let them are brought to bear upon officials to force large families, and who work more hours a day go into private life. There are plenty of people || through claims that are illegitimate and im- than any of these Comptrollers, who are getwho will come here and perform the duties jnst i proper ; and we should place these men in ting but little over half what they propose to as well probably as they now do. I mean to such a position that they cannot be tempted. I give these Comptrollers. The Secretary of the say nothing against the ability or high capacity I do not believe that Mr. Taylor is one of the Treasury, I believe, gets $8,000, and now it is of the First Comptroller. I think all that is said kind who can be tempted, but I believe that proposed to give $4,500 or $5,000 to clerks on that subject is correct; but there are plenty he should be paid a salary commensurate with || merely; they are called Comptrollers, because of men just as good. An old proverb says that || his services, and commensurate with the large they are at the head of that kind of clerkship. "there are as good fish in the sea as ever were amount of business he performs and the large || I repeat that I do not know that it is too mach, caught;": and I am sure there are always good amount of claims he is constantly passing upon. but while we are attempting to do justice to men willing to go into office. According to the I simply desired to add my testimony, know- these deserving men, I hope we shall have an Senator's argument, you might go through the ing something of Mr. Taylor, and having seen amendment giving the Commissioner of the whole list of officers here and raise their sala- || something of him.

General Land Office as much certainly as some ries. I dare say there are men holding $1,200 Mr. NYE. I am myself in favor of paying of the clerks of the Treasury Department. clerkships who are fitted to perform the duties pretty good salaries; but it seems to me that Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator from Nevada of these places; and probably there are men the reason the honorable Senator from Oregon | and his colleague desire to put in the Commisgetting large salaries who are not fit for their renders for raising the salary of this man is a sioner of the General Land Office. I appreplaces; but that does not prove to my mind very strange one, that he presented a claim to ciate the services of Mr. Wilson, who is an that you ought to increase salaries. I think him and he rejected it.

able and excellent officer; but in the first place that the salaries in our Government are as high Mr. CORBETT. Yes, sir; I thought the the matter ought to be referred to a committee. as they ought to be. I believe we spend a great prices were pretty high, and he rejected it. The increase of these salaries was referred to deal too much money because we have sym- Mr. NYE. It is very queer that the honor- the Committee on Finance, and after considerapathy for individuals. Because a particular able Senator would present a claim that he tion we took these officers and made the inincumbent of an office is a gentlemanly and did not think was right, and go for raising the crease. Officers in the same Department with courteous man, and we meet him in our social | salary of the officer that rejected it.

the same rank have a great deal more salary circles, we are apt to be willing to increase his Mr. CORBETT. It did not belong to me.

The Treasurer gets $6,500; the Comp. salary because we like him, or because we are Mr. NYE. But, sir; I rose for the purpose troller of the Currency gets $5,000. The heads pleased by some attentions that we receive from of saying a single word. I see there is a gen- of bureaus in the War Department get $7,000. him or those around him. I do not pretend eral willingness here to raise the salaries of these If this proposition had been considered by the that I am not susceptible to all these feelings | officers of the Treasury; and I do not know Committee on Public Lands, I should have no myself; but I am unwilling to increase salaries

; objection to it. I believe there ought to be an entire change | effort to do, I found many men that have more are certainly as capable as the committee to in the Treasury Department. I think there labor to perform than these Comptrollers who which this matter has been referred to judge ought to be au overhauling and a systematiz- | get far less salary, and any effort to raise their of this subject, and having examined into iting there, so as to make the establishment salary heretofore has been a failure. Now, I Mr. SHERMAN. If the Committee on better for the Government and better for the propose to test the fairness of the Senate by Public Lands report this proposition I have persons employed. I think we could save proposing to put other Departments on a foot- not the slightest objection to it. money enough there to perhaps give some ing with the Treasury Department, if it is in Mr. NYE. I ask the honorable Senator officers higher salaries; but it would be done order. If there is a man in any of the Depart. || from Ohio if it is necessary to go through the by reducing the number of people employed ments of this Government who works more formal presentation of it to the committee to and inaugurating a better system. The other hours than any other, and has the most im. see whether it is proper to raise this

salary, day we had a debate about a commissioner portant labor to perform in a very important when the Senator knows and every Senator of statistics, and we were told that the per- branch of the public service, it is the Com | knows that it should be raised. I do not like son employed in the Treasury Department in missioner of the General Land Office. His to pick out one Department and make its that service was entirely unfit for his place. salary is $3,000 a year, and his labors are far | officers princes and keep the others all poor. I was told so by some gentleman of this body. more severe than those of the Secretary of the Mr. CONNESS. I wish to inquire whether We were also told that a man must be kept in Interior, as the present presiding officer [Mr. an amendment to the amendment is now in the State Department to perform the same HARLAN] will understand. He decides all that I order? duties because he had some capacity in gath. || great branch of business. The public land The PRESIDING OFFICER. In the imering up statistics, and the other man, whose interests of this country are certainly as large pression of the Chair, it is in order. special business it was to attend to that subject, as any comptrollership is, where he is bounded Mr. CONNESS. Then I move to insert was not fit to do it. That is not the way to by his room. I think his salary is altogether after the word “Treasury," in the sixth line legislate. I thank the Senator from Oregon too low. Any gentleman who goes into that of the amendment of the Committee on Finance, for his courtesy.

office and discharges its duties faithfully ought || the words "and the Commissioner of the Mr. CORBETT. Mr. President, I have had to have more than $3,000 a year. In the General Land Office." The chairman of the some little transactions with the First Comp. || Treasury Department they bave clerks that | Finance Committee will accept that, I sup. troller, Mr. Taylor, and in my opinion he is get more than that. The Senator from Maine not one of those particularly courteous men will correct me if I am wrong.

Mr. STEWART. I hope that will be done, who cater to Senators or Congressmen. He Mr. FESSENDEN. I do not know of any.

and I will say is a man who attends to his duties faithfully, Mr. NYE. About three thousand dollars. Mr. CONNESS. It is done now, sir. I believe, and I think he is a very valuable Mr. HESSENDEN. No, sir.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Does the officer. Í admire him the more from the fact Mr. NYE. I ask the Senator from Maine Senator from Ohio accept this amendment ? that I presented a claim to him, and notwith- how much they do get.

Mr. SNERMAN. No, sir; but I am willing standing he rejected the claim I was struck Mr. FESSÉNDËN. No clerk probably to let the sense of ibe Senate be taken upon by liis ability and the manner in which he ll except the chief clerk of a bureau gets $2,000; ll it, if it is in order.

now.

this year.

these Departments last year, as I made a little | Lir

. NYE." The Committee on Public Lands

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pose.

Mr. CONKLING. I wish to make an inquiry me the notice and make a motion to amend it is a soldier, and a wounded soldier, and they of the Chair, whether notice was given of this then, and that will answer their purpose. are all faithfully serving the Government. amendment so as to bring it within the rule; The PRESIDING OFFICER, (Mr. Har- Mr. CAMERON. I shall certainly vote to and I will state the reason why I make the LAN in the chair.) The question of order add the $200 to the night watchmen after we inquiry. This may be a meritorious case; but having been raised, the Chair is of the opinion have given $1,000 additional to each of the there are a great many other meritorious cases; that it is well taken.

Comptrollers; and I give notice now that toand if without giving any notice, without the Mr. CONNESS. Well, Mr. President, I morrow I shall offer an amendinent to this bill amendment being reported by the Committee now renew the notice that to-morrow I shall || providing for paying the women in the Treas. on Public Lands, this officer is to be added, offer this amendment.

ury Department the same compensation that ther with great propriety we may look about Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I suggest to the is paid to men for the same service. and see what other officers ought to be included; Senator from Ohio to add at the end of his The PRESIDING OFFICER. The quesand it is rather invidious to establish that way amendment the words " for the fiscal year tion is on the amendment of the Senator from of accomplishing the result. If notice has ending June 30, 1869,': so that the salary pro- Michigan to the amendment of the Senator been given, I do not object; but if it has not vided for shall be for that year.

froin Ohio. been given, and we are to accept this amend- Mr. SHERMAN. That will be proper

The amendment to the amendment was ment, then there are various officers who ought enough, although this being an appropriation | rejected. to be thought of. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The Chair || bill would cover it.

bill for that year the preliminary words of the The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ques

to add to

tion is on the amendment of the Senator from has no knowledge that any notice was given to amendment and the same is hereby appro- Ohio. the Committee on Appropriations.

priated out of any money in the Treasury not The amendment was agreed to. Mr. CONNESS. I hope the Senator will otherwise appropriated. These formal words

Mr. SHERMAN. I have but one more not make that bjection ; but that if there be have been omitted, and they ought to be inserted. any other case as meritorious as this he will The PRESIDING OFFICER. The amend

amendment to offer, and then I shall relieve

the Senate. It is in regard to the pay of the propose it. ment will be so modified. The question is on

Assistant Treasurer at Charleston. I move Mr. CONKLING. Whether there be others the amendment of the Senator from Ohio. as meritorious as this I am not prepared to Mr. CHANDLER called for the yeas and

on page 45, line eleven hundred and thirty

two, to strike out all after “Charleston" and say, because we have a rule providing that this nays, and they were ordered; and being taken,

insert " and after the 30th of June, 1868, the particular legislation shall not be reached in resulted-yeas 23, nays 10; as follows: this way. Of course, therefore, Senators are YEAS-Messrs. Bayară, Cattell, Conness, Corbett,

annual salary of the Assistant Treasurer, at not prepared, upon a suggestion being made, Davis, Drake, Edmunds, Fessenden. Frelinghuysen,

Charleston shall be $4,000, and that amount Harlan, McDonald, Morgan, Morrill of Maine, Mor- is hereby appropriated--$22,000;" so as to to say what other meritorious cases there are.

rill of Verinont. Patterson of New Hampshire, Ram- make the clause read: I repeat, I do not wish to object to this case in sey, Ross, Sherman, Sumner, Van Winkle, Vickers, particular; but if we have a rule I think we Willey, and Williams-23.

For salaries of the Assistant Treasurer of the Uni

NAYS - Messrs. Cameron, Chandler, Conkling, ted States at New York, Boston, Charleston, and St. ought to adhere to it.

Cragin, McCreery, Stewart, Thayer, Tipton, Trum- Louis, namely; for the Assistant Treasurer at New Mr. CONNESS. Then I ask for a vote of bull, and Yates-10.

York. $8,000; those at Boston and St. Louis, each, the Senate upon it.

ABSENT - Messrs. Anthony, Buckalew, Cole, $5,000, and the one at Charleston, $4,000; and after Mr. CONKLING. Not if it is not in order,

Dixon, Doolittle. Ferry, Fowler, Grimes, Hender- the 30th of June, 1868, the annual salary of tho

son, Hendricks, Howard, Howe, Johnson, Morton, Assistant Treasurer at Charleston shall be $1.000; I suppose.

Norton, Nye, Patterson of Tennessee. Pomeroy, and that amount is hereby appropriated—$22,000. Mr. CONNESS. I did not understand the Rice, Saulsbury, Sprague, Wade, and Wilson-23. Senator to insist on the point of order.

So the amendment was agreed to.

This proposes to raise the pay of the Assistant

Treasurer at Charleston from $2,500 to $4,000 Mr. STEWART. If the point of order is Mr. SHERMAN. I now offer from the insisted on I will move that this amendment

a year on the ground of the vastly increased Committee on Finance the following amend- business. He now disburses $7,500,000 a year. be postponed until to-morrow, and I give notice ment as a new section :

His pay was fixed under the old régime at that I shall then offer it.

And be it further enacted, That each night watch

Charleston when the business was small. The Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I think I must man at the Treasury Department shall, from the 1st insist on the point of order. day of July, 1868, receive a compensation of $900 per

papers are quite voluminous which I have annum; and an amount sufficient to pay said in- received from the Department, showing the Mr. STEWART. Then I move that the

creased compensation for the fiscal year ending June necessity of this increase. It simply puts this whole amendment go over until to-morrow. 30, 1869, is hereby appropriated.

officer on the same grade with other officers in Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. That is hardly I will state that there are twelve night watchnecessary, because the whole question will be men in the Treasury Department, every one

that Department who perform the same char:

acter of service, no more, no less. If the Senopen when the bill comes into the Senate. of whom is a wounded soldier. Mr. SHERMAN. There are other appro. Mr. SUMNER. What is the pay now?

ate want any further information on the subject priation bills, where it can be moved.

Mr. SHERMAN. Seven hundred and twenty proposition is simply to raise his pay from

the petition of this officer can be read. The Mr. CONNESS. I wish to give notice now dollars a year. This gives them the same pay

$2,500 to $4,000. that to-morrow I will offer this amendment to allowed to other watchmen-much less than

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. How does that this bill, as proposed to-day. our watchmen in this building. I trust the

conform with the salaries of similar officers at Mr. CONKLING. I made the suggestion amendment will be adopted. The provision other points ? that I did merely by way of suggestion, not was agreed to last year.

Mr. FESSENDEN. It is less than the pay meaning to insist upon it against the wish of Mr. CHANDLER. I should like to add a even a single Senator who thinks it is import- | proviso that all other watchmen in the Depart

of the sub Treasurer at St. Louis and at

Boston. ant to take the sense of the Senate on this ments shall receive the same compensation.

Mr. SHERMAN. It is less than is paid to question. I now withdraw the point of order; Mr. SHERMAN. I believe they do. but in withdrawing it I wish to say again that Mr. CHANDLER. I move to amend the

any other officer who disburses that much I think while we have this rule we ought amendment in the way I have indicated.

money.

Mr. FESSENDEN. The sub-Treasurer at to adhere to it, and that these officers ought Mr. SHERMAN. I object to that amendnot to be dependent upon the friendly diligence ment, because I do not know precisely how

Philadelphia gets $5,000, I think. This officer of some Senator who may have in mind a

is the great disbursing officer for the South. many it would affect.

The amendment was agreed to. particular case, and who from a sense of jus. Mr. CHANDLER. I am opposed to raistice may rise and suggest that when that same ing the pay in one Department and leaving the

Mr. EDMUNDS. I wish now to call up the Senator, if his attention had been turned in same class of officers in other Departments at

amendment of the Senator from Ohio in regard another direction, very likely would be able to a lower compensation. Let us have them all to the Government advertising, which was remember a number of other persons equally alike. I shall to-morrow propose an increase

passed by informally. meritorious. The Senator from Nevada [Mr. | of the salary of all men in the same grade in

The PRESIDENT pro tempore. That amendSTEWART] says he offered this proposition | all the Departments, where the salaries of any

ment will be regarded as now before the Senate. originally rather by way of illustration. I sup- have been raised.

Mr. EDMUNDS. I move to amend the pose that to be the case, and I have no doubt Mr. SHERMAN. I do not know even that amendment by striking out after its enacting the illustration is a true one. I have no doubt there are night watchmen in the other Depart- | clause and inserting: the case is one of merit. I only say that it ments.

That all advertisements, notices, and proposals for establishes a capricious rule that these officers Mr. CHANDLER. Then my amendment contracts, executive proclamations, treaties, and

laws, required by law to be published in the District are to be advanced in their salaries dependent can do no harm.

of Columbia, shall be published only in the two papers on whether some Senator who has personal Mr. SHERMAN. It would not be wise to selected under the act approved May 18, 1866, entiknowledge of them is able on the spur of the legislate in that loose way. If the Senator tled "An act making appropriations for the service

of the Post Office Department during the fiscal year moment to think of them or not. "That is a from Michigan had seen these men perform | ending the 30th day of June, 1867, and for other pur lottery which I think the rules intended to ing this duty every night in the year, watching poses," and only when the same shall be delivered provide against. over hundreds of millions of property, he

to such papers by the proper head of a Department

for publication; and all of section ten of the act Mr. CONNESS. I renew the amendment. would not deny to them $2 50 a day, $900 a

approved March 2, 1867, entitled "An act making Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I shall be obliged year. We agreed to this last year, but it bas appropriations for sundry civil expenses of the Govto invoke the rule, and I will say to Senators | been dropped off now in some way. I do not ernment for the year ending June 30, 1868, and for know how. The salary of $720 is totally hereby repealed, and no advertising whatever in any

other purposes, who have an interest in this matter that when

preceding the proviso thereof, is the bill comes into thę Senate they can give ll inadequate. Every one of these twelve men newspaper published in the District of Columbia

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shall be paid for by any disbursing officer, and if paid so referred. The question is on the amend. tenance of an attorney in that office longer. As sball not be allowed by any accounting officer, unless ment of the Senator from New Jersey. for the recommendation of the Secretary of the published in pursuance of law.

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I inquire of the Navy or that head, I do not know whether I That, in effect, repeals the enacting part of Senator from New Jersey whether he moves would give much for it or not. I do not know the tenth section of the act of March 2, 1867,

this by instructions from the Committee on how far it would go with other Senators. out of which this difficulty grows. It refers to Naval Affairs?

I suppose that the Secretary of the Navy has the same selection of newspapers, and confines Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. Yes, sir; I sufficient knowledge of law himself to do all the it to these advertisements in the District of Co

offer it by the unanimous recommendation of || legal business of the Department that remains lumbia that the law requires to be published the Committee on Naval Affairs.

now to be done. I am replied to by a Senaler here. I feel quite sure that it will cover the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Then the Sena- behind me that “he has not any.". I inclire whole case.

tor is in possession of all the facts, I suppose. to that opinion myself, and I kept that in view Mr. SHERMAN. The only modification I This office was created during the war, to con: when I said that he had a sufficient knowledgo want to make is in the last clause. I would tinue for two years after the war, I think, and

of law for all the legal purpose necessary to change the words " in pursuance of law” to that was the reason he was not appropriated the Department. It seems that we are asked "in pursuance of this act,” because the power

for in the House of Representatives, and the to continue this oftice for a year longer just to publish advertisements in the Intelligencer reason he was not appropriated for by the Sen- because we have had it for three years. That and other newspapers is claimed under various ate Committee on Appropriations.

is not a good reason.

I think we can just as old laws. Mr. EDMUNDS. I have not the slightest | if this amendment has been referred to the

Mr. WILLIAMS. I sliould like to inquire well dispense with this attorney as continue

him at a salary. I am not sure that we could objection to that modification. I would have Committee on Appropriations?

not dispense with the head of the Department. put it in that form, but I thought the language Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. We had notice I think we could I remember an occasion I proposed was more acceptable to the Sen.

that an amendment would be moved to this when President Lincoln lived, and I failed to ator. It is much better, I think, to say "under effect.

be able to get the attention of the head of this this act," and I so modify my amendment.

Mr. WILLIAMS. What does the rule || Department to important business, I went to The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ques. || amount to that has been adopted here requir- see the President on the subject. 'I seriously tion is on the amendment of the Senator from ing these matters to be considered by the Com- stated our case, and he replied to me that there Vermont to the amendment of the Senator

mittee on Appropriations if it suffices for a was a real live man in that Department, and from Obio.

Senator to stand up in his place and say that he asked me if I knew Fox. I told him no, I aid The amendment to the amendment was

intends to do a certain thing at a certain time? not, and it ended by his giving me a note to adopted, and the amendment, as amended, was

I had supposed that the rule would operate to Fox. I never had any trouble in doing busiagreed to.

give us the benefit of the judgment of the Com- ness at the Navy Department while Mr. Fox Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. I propose an mittee on Appropriations, superadded to the was there. He was better than all the nominal amendment on page 36, an amendment which judgment of the committee by whom the heads of Department in creation, and all the I am directed by the Committee on Naval amendment was proposed. I only speak for attorneys, such as they employ, thrown in. I Affairs to move : in the eight hundred and sev- the sake of ascertaining what the rule is to be. incline to think that we can do without one entieth line, after the word “dollars," I move If nothing is to be done except simply to give | attorney there. to insert “of solicitor and naval judge advocate notice that such an amendment will be moved, Mr. ÞRELINGHUYSEN. Mr. President, general, $3,500." The object of this amend- || I do not think the Committee on Appropria: || the Senator from California says that he does inent is merely to continue that office. By an tions have any opportunity afforded them to not know what necessity there is for continuing act of 2d of March, 1865, the office of solicitor pass on the merits of the amendment.

this office. It is not to be expected that every and naval judge advocate was created to con- Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The rule re- Senator will know all the details of the busitipue during the rebellion and for one year || quires, as I understand it, that no motion shall ness of the various committees; and I supposed thereafter,'' and it has been continued every be in order to amend an appropriation bill the very object of having committees was that year by means of the appropriation, and unless unless that subject matter has one day before they might examine as to the necessity of these ibis appropriation is made that office will expire. | been referred to the Committee on Appropri- questions and supply that want of information This is for no increase of salary, but merely to ations, to give them an opportunity to see the which individual Senators necessarily are subcontinue the same office in existence. The relation it has to the general bill. That is the jected to. I stated in the hearing of the SenCommittee on Naval Affairs of the House of object I suppose. Sometimes it appears that ator from California that the Committee on Representatives were unanimousin their recom- an appropriation has been omitted from the Naval Affairs of the House were unanimously mendation of the passage of a bill making the || appropriation bill which is provided for by in favor of a law to make the office permanent; oflice permanent. The Committee on Naval law; and in such a case, if notice is given to that the Committee on Naval Affairs of the Affairs of the Senate recommend that it be con- the Committee on Appropriations of the pro- Senate were unanimous in recommending that tinued for this year with unanimity. The Sec | posed amendment, we examine it, and if we this office be continued this year; that the Seco retary of the Navy recommends that it be con find that the law authorizes that appropriation retary of the Navy was of the same opinion, tinued. I have his letter here. I have also a we make it in conformity with the proposition ; and thought it would be a saving of a good deal letter in my possession from General Grant; but if we find, as in this case, that it provides of money to the Government to have it conhe considers the office of importance, and that for a new service, or for the continuance of an tinued rather than to employ counsel for parit ought to be continued. This officer has to old service, whether that service is necessary ticular cases; that the General of the Army, examine the returns of about a thousand or not, which question belongs to some par- being somewhat conversant with the affairs of cases from naval courts of inquiry and courts- ticular committee, as in this case the Commit. the Navy as well as of the Army, was of the wartial every year. He has to examine con- tee on Naval Affairs, we leave them to exam. same opinion. Secretary Stanton is of the tracts and claims. Heis a gentleman of ability, ire it, and we do not examine it because it same opinion. This amount of authority ought excellent character, familiar with the business; belongs to them. And hence they present it, to have some influence in forming the judgment and the Secretary of the Navy states that as the Senator from New Jersey from that of the Senate; but if authority is not enough, instead of this oífice being an increase of the committee has .presented this case here to- I also stated that there were a thousand cases expenses of the Government it will cost much day. The Committee on Appropriations felt in a year coming up from naval courts of more to have the business attended to by per- that their duty was performed in this case ir quiry and courts-martial which were examsons who are not paid by a salary than if this when they had examined the proposed amend- ined by this solicitor; that questions of prize office is continued. The probability is that by ment in committee and found there was no were examined by him; that questions of another year, under a new organization of the law for it, or, in other words, found that the claims and contracts passed under his exam. Attorney General's department, some arrange- law justifying this appropriation had expired, ination ; and that his time was consequently ment will be made by which this office can be and so we contented ourselves with leaving fully occupied and well occupied in the interest dispensed with or come under the charge of it in the hands of the Committee on Naval of the Government. that Department in some way; but I think it Affairs.

Mr. WILLIAMS. I should like to inquire very clear that it ought to be continued for Mr. CONNESS. I shall not vote for this who made the examination into these contracts this

year, and such is the opinion of the Naval amendment, because I do not think this office and claims before this office was created prior Committees of the House of Representatives ought to be longer continued. It was created to the year 1865? and of the Senate and of the Secretary of the in March, 1865, just before the war had closed;

Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. I suppose the Navy and of the General, and the facts clearly 1 when the number of ships in the Navy of the Senator is as well informed on that subject as show that it ought to be so.

United States had reached nearly six hundred | I am. I do not suppose that prior to 1865 Mr. STEWART. I wish to put my notice or thereabouts. There was some reason then there was one contract made where there are in form: after the word " Treasury,'' in the perhaps for an office of this kind, and some twenty made now; and perhaps it may have section inserted on the motion of the Senator reason for the continuance of the office while been by comparing the expense of this office from Ohio, I propose to insert the words the surplus ships of the Navy were being sold, with the expense which the Department was

Commissioner of the General Land Office." which work is now all done; but I cannot put to prior to 1865 that the Secretary of the
I ask tbat that be referred to the Committee understand why the office is necessary now. Navy is enabled to certify here that the ex-
on Appropriations.
I suppose, of course, the committee believe

penses are lessened by having a salaried officer The PRESIDING OFFICER. That can be there is suflicient necessity for it, or else they rather than employing counsel in given cases. done by unanimous consent. No objection would not have recoinmended it; but I bave I trust that the amendment will be adopted. being made the proposed amendment will be not heard reasons given sufficient for the main- Mr. SUMNER. Mr. President, I can reply

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