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The PRESIDENT pro tempore. That order Mr. EDMUNDS. If this joint resolution agree to the joint resolution in the shape it is will be entered.
can be laid aside informally for that purpose, reported, I think it proper that I should state Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. I move that the I have no objection.
to the Senate the reason why I did not. Senate proceed to the consideration of House Mr. THAYER. I move, then, that the It seems to me eminently fit and proper that bill No. 1129.
Senate take a recess to-day until half past some bill should be passed in regard to those Mr. EDMUNDS. Is the morning business seven o'clock this evening, in order to consider States which shall not have been restored to through?
the bills which I have named and other private is their practical relations to the Union before The PRESIDENT pro tempore. I do not bills.
the adjournment of Congress; but it is a very hear of any more. If there is any more it Mr. FÉSSENDEN. I suggest to the Sena- | delicate subject to deal with. In my judgment, must be attended to, as the morning hour has tor to fix the time of taking a recess; that the no more delicate questions than those involved not expired. The Senator from New Jersey Senate at five o'clock take a recess until half in this very resolution, taken up in the mornmoves that the Senate proceed to the con: past seven o'clock.
ing hour, will come before Congress at the sideration of the bill (H. R. No. 1129) for the Several SENATORS. Say half past four.
present session. relief of the widow and children of James A. Mr. FESSENDEN. From five o'clock will
If it should so happen that the result of the Mulligan, deceased.
give us two hours and a half, which I think will presidential election shall depend upon tho Mr. EDMUNDS. I hope the Senate will be ample.
counting or not counting of votes from the late not proceed to the consideration of that bill at Mr. THAYER. Very well; I will put my rebel States, and such a count should be made this time. I have no objection to the bill. I motion in this form : that the Senate take a
as to declare the election of a person favorable believe I am in favor of it from the statement recess at five o'еlock until half past seven to the political views of those who make the that has been made to me; but I wish to call o'clock, for the purpose of considering in the count, the opposite party will be very likely to the attention of the Senate to the joint resolu- evening the bills that I have named and other charge its opponents with having made a partion which I have moved to take up, and if private bills.
tisan decision. In my judgment, no discretion the Senate shall choose not to take it up my
Mr. RAMSEY. Will not the Senator say should be left to the President of the Senate, duty will have been performed, and I shall half past fouro'clock? That is a better hour. or to the Senate and House of Representatives leave it then ; but that is a resolution which is Several Senators.' Oh, no; let it stand as in counting the presidential vote; and if a to regulate the counting of the electoral votes it is.
discretion is left to determine from what States from the States lately in rebellion, and to pro- The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It is moved votes may be counted and from what States not, vide that the loyal governments set up by that the Senate take a recess at five o'clock this country may again be involved in a civil Congress shall be the ones that shall be recog. until half past seven o'clock this evening for war on the question of inaugurating a Presinized in that count, not the rebel ones that the the purpose of considering private bills.
dent. It is upon such questions that people President of the United States claims to be The motion was agreed to.
go to war. Nearly all the revolutions in the the true governments. I hope, therefore, that
MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE.
South American States grow out of the elec. the Senate will not proceed with this private bill, but will take up the joint resolution I
A message from the House of Representa
tion of their presidents.
While I am in favor of a bill which shall have named, which, if it is to be acted upon at
tives, by Mr. Clinton LLOYD, announced that all, must be acted upon now, obviously. That the House had passed the following bills, in
state distinctly from what States votes shall not is all I have to say. which it requested the concurrence of the Sen
be counted, if there are any such States—such Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. The bill which ate:
a bill or joint resolution as we passed four years I have moved to take up will occupy but a A bill (H. R. No. 263) to extend the juris. 1 ago, and applicable to the States of Texas
, very few ininutes, and then the Senator from diction of probate courts and of justices of the Mississippi, and Virginia, assuming now that
neither of those States will have perfected their Vermont can proceed with the consideration
peace in the Territories of Idaho and Mon
tana; of the resolution that he has named. There
State organizations in time to be recognized by
Congress-I am utterly opposed to any bill is nothing so pressing about it that we cannot
A bill (H. R. No. 348) to provide for hold
which shall leave to the discretion of Congress, take a few minutes to
ing terms of the United States district court this bill.
pass Mr. POMEROY. There are a great many for the western district of Missouri at St.
when it counts the electoral votes in February
next, to count votes from Arkansas or Florida private bills that ought to be considered, and
Joseph and the city of Kansas in said States; we ought to have a day set apart for their con
A bill (H. R. No. 446) to amend an act en
or not as it shall think proper; and yet we have sideration. The bill referred to by the Senator
a joint resolution that is proposing that very titled "An act to create the eastern judicial from Nebraska, and also the one that the Sen. district of the State of New York," approved thing. In my judgment, the State of Arkansas
is as much a State of the American Union, ator from New Jersey has in charge, are very
February 25, 1865; and important, and I should be glad to vote for
A bill (H. R. No. 1046) making appropria
with all the rights and privileges of a State, as tions for the repair, preservation, and comple
is the State of New York or the State of Illithem both as private bills; but there are sev. tion of certain public works, and for other pur
nois, and it has the same right to vote for eral public bills that ought to be considered, poses.
President as any other State of this Union. I and if we cannot proceed with them after one
want no joint resolution or bill of Congress o'clock we ought to proceed with them in the
ELECTORAL VOTES OF LATE REBEL STATES.
passed which shall put it in the power of the morning hour. I have one in my hand now, The Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, canvassers of the electoral votes to receive 3 and there are several others. I think we should I proceeded to consider the joint resolution (S. vote from Arkansas or not as they shall please. not allow the morning hour to be spent on a R. No. 139) excluding from the Electoral Col. This resolution, it will be seen, provides : private bill at this time, but should have a day | lege votes of States lately in rebellion which set apart when we can consider them all. shall not have been reorganized. It provides | Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississip
That the States of Virginia, North Carolina, South Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. Why, Mr. Pres- that the States of Virginia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Arkangas, and Texas, respectively, shall ident, the morning hour beloogs to private South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, not be entitled to representation in the Electoral Colbusiness. Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Texas,
lege for the choice of President or Vice President The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques.
of the United States, and no electoral votes shall respectively, shall not be entitled to representa- be received or counted from any of such States. tion is on taking up the bill mentioned by the tion in the Electoral College for the choice of
unless, &c. Senator from New Jersey.
President or Vice President of the United Why pass a joint resolution that no electoral The motion was not agreed; to there being States, and no electoral votes shall be recog- votes shall be counted from the States of Arkon a division-ayes four, noes not counted. nized or counted from any of such States, ansas and Florida any more than in regard to
unless at the time prescribed by law for the New Jersey and Illinois, or Vermont and EVENING SESSION FOR PRIVATE BILLS. Mr. EDMUNDS. That heing given up, I pursuant to the acts of Congress in that behalf
choice of electors the people of such States, Massachusetts? It is saying, in my judgment, move that the Senate proceed to the consider- shall have since the 4th day of March, 1867,
to the people of those States, “Your votes for ation of the joint resolution I have named, a
President may or may not be counted in the adopted a constitution of State government next presidential election.' It is saying to the joint resolution (S. R. No. 139) excluding from under which a State government shall have rebel element in those States that Congress the Electoral College votes of States lately in rebellion which shall not have been reorganized. such State shall have also become entitled to
been organized and shall be in operation, and has some doubt about the stability of the gov; The motion was agreed to.
ernments which have been inaugurated, and representation in Congress pursuant to the acts Mr. THAYER. I ask the Senator from Ver.
if they can succeed in overturning them, or if of Congress in that behalf.
they can get up a revolution, no electoral votes mont if he will yield to me long enough to The Committee on the Judiciary reported shall be counted from those States. I want 10 enable me to submit a motion with a view of the joint resolution with an amendment, to regard the action of Congress in recognizing accomplishing a purpose which the Senator insert after the word " operation,'' in line four- the State governments inaugurated in Arkansas from New Jersey and myself and others have teen, the following words:
and Florida as a finality, as conclusive and in view? I desire to make the suggestion to And unless such election of electors shall have been ended, and I do not wish to say to those people see if it will meet the approbation of the held under the authority of such constitution and government.
that we have any apprehensions that any other Senate. Mr. EDMUNDS. What is the motion ? The amendment was agreed to.
governments are to be recognized there.' Why, Mr. THAYER. I will state it: that we have Mr. TRUMBULL. Mr. President, I regard Arkansas to-day should undertake to maintain
sir, it would be but civil war if any party in an evening session this evening to consider the joint resolution under consideration as one the bill which I have named, for the relief of of very great importance. I think that some
a State government in opposition to thnt which Mrs. Jones, and also the bill in favor of Mrs. legislation on this subject is necessary; but as I ernment of that State by admitting its Senators Mulligan, and other private bills.
did not, in the Committee on the Judiciary, 1) and Representatives to seats here. It would
be but revolution. The Supreme Court has
And again :
which it is competent for it to vote for Presi. decided, all the departments of the Govern- "The electors shall meet in their respective States
dent. There is no Legislature existing in either ment have decided, that Congress, when it and vote by ballot for President and Vice President, of these States, and can be no Legislature admits Senators and Representatives under a
one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of
existing in either of them which has authority State organization, thereby decides what the their ballots the person voted for as President, and to provide for the appointment of electors of proper State organization of a State is. That in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice Pres- President and Vice President until Congress was decided in the Rhode Island case. There
ident, and they shall make distinst lists of all per-
shall so determine. Congress has said that the was an attempt to set up two State governments for as Vice President, and of the number of votes for existing organizations in those States are pro. in Rhode Island, and the Supreme Court de. each, which lists they shallsign and certify, and trans- visional only; that they are without legal cided in that case that when, the Congress of
mit sealed to the seat of the Government of the United
authority; that they are acting in subordinathe United States bad admitted Senators and | President of the Senate shall in the presence of the tion to the military power; and until some Representatives from one of those State organ
Senate and House of Representatives open all the other State government is inaugurated which izations that was conclusive and binding upon
certificates and the votes shall then be counted; the
is recognized by Congress as baving the power all the departments of the Government. Now, dent shall be the President, if such number be a and authority of a State government neither we have admitted Senators and Representa- majority of the whole number of electors appointed." of those States can, as a matter of course, vote tives from a portion of these rebel States. Now, what has the Congress of the United for President and Vice President; and, thereWe have, therefore, settled it finally and for. States or the President of the Senate to do in fore, I should be in favor of this joint resolu. ever that the State organization under which canvassing this vote? Simply to open these tion if it provided that no electoral vote should those Senators and Representatives came here sealed packages or lists containing the votes be counted from either of those States which is the legitimate organization for the State, of the electors who are appointed in the model Congress had not recognized; but as to the and I do not wish to pass a law declaring that prescribed by the Legislature in each State, ! States which Congress has recognized, it seems the electoral vote from those States shall not and the votes are then counted in the presence to me invidious to make such a provision; and be counted unless-what?
of the Senate and House of Representatives, it looks to me, though I do not suppose the “Unless at the time prescribed by law for the choice and the person having the largest number of Senator from Vermont intends that, as if it of electors the people of such States, pursuant to the votes, if a majority of the whole, is declared might be construed as vesting some sort of acts of Congress in that behalf, shall have, since the to be elected President of the United States. discretion in the Congress of the United States 4th day of March, 1867, adopted a constitution of State government under which a State government
This is all tbat the President of the Senate is to count or not to count the electoral votes shall have been organized."
authorized to do, and all that the Congress of from these States; and I do not want it to have Well, sir, have we not decided that already the United States is authorized to do. Each any other discretion in regard to Arkansas than as to Arkansas and Florida ? Is it to be left | State, through its Legislature, determines the | it would have in regard to Vermont. I wish an open question, to be decided again in Feb- mode of appointing electors of President, and to treat these States all alike; and I think we ruary next when the vote is counted, whether
it is competent for any Legislature in any of shall encourage opposition to our reorganizathey have adopted constitutions and State gov
the States of the Union to appoint the electors tion measures if we pass a joint resolution of ernments? Did we not decide a few days ago
without submitting the question to a vote of this character. I move to amend it by striking that the State of Arkansas has adopted a con
the people at all. Formerly several of the out in line four of the joint resolution the stitution and State government in accordance
States appointed their electors in that way; words “ Florida” and “Arkansas." with the reconstruction acis, and bave we not and the State of South Carolina, until a very
Mr. DAVIS. I am gratified, Mr. Presadmitted Senators and Representatives from
recent period, down, I thiuk, to the breaking | identthat State? If we have so decided, why is it out of the rebellion, always appointed her elect
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I think the to be decided over again, unless it is intended
ors for President and Vice President by the morning hour has expired. to vest in the President of the Senate or the Legislature. It would be competent for any The PRESIDENT
pro tempore. The morntwo Houses of Congress at that time, a revis.
State to do that, and all that is to be done ing hour having expired, the unfinished busiory power to count or not the electoral vote here is to canvass the votes of these electors; ness of yesterday is regularly before the Senate. from that State? I submit that that is a settled that is, to open the packages containing the Mr. EDMUNDS. I ask the Senator from matter; that the State of Arkansas has already
list of votes given by the electors and count Maine to let that unfinished business lie over adopted a constitution of State government them.
until we can dispose of this joint resolution. since the 4th of March, 1867, under which a Now, we have a measure providing that no Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. If it would not State government has been organized and is
votes sball be counted from certain States. I lead to debate, and we were simply to take the in operation. But, says this joint resolution ask why? I ask the Senator from Vermont vote, I should not interpose. But the Senator further: why is it necessary to pass an act of Congress
from Vermont knows that it is quite necessary
that the bill under consideration should be con“And unloss such clection of electors shall have declaring that a vote shall be counted or shall been beld under the authority of such constitution
not be counted from the State of Arkansas ? || cluded, and go to the House of Representaand government, and such State shall have also be- Is not the State of Arkansas as much a State tives, as there are many amendments that will come entitled to representation in Congress pursuant
of this Union as the State of Vermont; and if | lead to a conference. to the acts of Congress in that behalf."
such a measure as this is to pass, why not in- Mr. EDMUNDS. In order to discharge my Now, sir, these facts all exist and have been
clude the State of Vermont and the State of whole duty, as my friend from Illinois has settled except one. A constitution has been
Illinois? I am sure the Senator from Vermont | occupied all the time so far, and the Senator framed in Arkansas; a government has been || regards, as I do, the action of Congress in rec- from Kentucky is to aid him, I move that the organized in Arkansas in conformity to the oguizing the existing State government in appropriation bill for the time being be laid reconstruction acts, and the State of Arkansas
Arkansas as the legitimate State government || aside in order that we may proceed with the has become entitled to ropresentation in Con- of that State; and I am sure that he would be consideration of this joint resolution, for the gress pursuant to the acts of Congress in that
as ready as I would to exert the whole power reason, as I have stated, that it is a measure behalf. Why do you want to pass upon that of this nation, if it became necessary, to put
sure to be vetoed ; there is no need of disagain? Is not that all settled? But then there
down any organization hostile to that State | guising it. The President cannot be logical is another clause: government in Arkansas. The State govern
unless he does veto it, and I do not suppose "And unless such election of electors shall have
ment which has been recognized in that State, he will veto the appropriation bill. I do not been held under the authority of such constitution and government.'
and in the State of Florida, is to be maintained think I shall do my duty unless I make this
and must be maintained at all hazards and at motion in order that the Senate may determine I hardly know the meaning of this clause, for it will be observed that the constitution of
every cost, or else you cannot maintain this whether they will dispose of this measure or
Government; and I want no “ifs" and no a State has nothing to do with the mode of "unless?' about it. I would make no pro
The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It is moved electing the President. A President of the
vision for counting the electoral vote of the and seconded that the unfinished business be United States is to be elected by electors chosen
State of Arkansas different from that which postponed for the purpose of continuing the in the several States in the manner provided
we make in regard to any other State ; and consideration of Senate joint resolution No. by the Legislature, not by the constitution of
that is the objection which I have to this 139. the State. The Legislature of each State in
It looks to me like a concession or Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. It seems to me this Union is created, it is true, under and by
an admission on our part that there might be it cannot be good economy of time for the authority of the constitution of the State ; but
soine other government established in Ark- Senate to postpone one of the regular approwhen created it is vested with authority to
ansas; some other government inaugurated | priation bills now almost finished to take up a appoint electors of President and Vice Presi
there hostile to the one which has been recog. matter in regard to which debate is likely to be dent of the United States, not by virtue of the
nized by the proper authority under the Con- so extensive and general as has already been constitution of the State, but by virtue of the stitution of the United States.
indicated this morning in regard to the measure Constitution of the United States. The body,
I am unwilling to make such a concession ; l of the Senator from Vermont. It is for the the Legislature, being created, the Constitution
I am unwilling to give color even to such a Senate to say whether they are willing to of the United States devolves this power upon suggestion. I think it is competent and proper | postpone the appropriation bills involving the it. The language of the Constitution is : to pass a resolution that no vote shall be
appropriation of millions of money to a period "That each State shall appoint, in such manner as counted from the State of Texas or the State when they cannot be thoroughly considered. tho Legislature thereof may direct, a number of
of Mississippi or the State of Virginia, and Mr. EDMUNDS. My friend knows that I electors equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be enti- why? Because there is no State organization have no disposition to antagonize this against tled in the Congress."
existing in either of these States through ll that; but this is a measure that ought to be
considered, and it may as well be considered ment which I proposed to this bill as a substi- The deficiency which exists in the appropriations
for reporting and printing in the Daily Globe we now as at any other time; because it will take tute for that bill, by direction of the Committee
shall take measures to have provided for ia the defisome time to consider it whenever we do it, on Finance.
ciency bill now framning by the appropriate commitand it ought to be passed soon so that the Mr. HENDRICKS. That amendment being tee of the llouse of Representatives. other branches of the Government may have withdrawn, I move to amend the bill by insert
Trusting that our suggestion may be favorably
considered by yourselfand your honorablecommittee, an opportunity to consider it. I have said iug after line forty-six :
we remain, very respectfully, before that we know it will take ten days longer To meet expenses incurred in the prosecution and
F. & J. RIVES & GEORGE A. BAILEY.
Reporters and Printers of the Debates of Congress. to dispose of this bill after it shall go through collection of claiins due the United States, $15,000, to
be disbursed under the direction of the Secretary of Hon. L. M. MORRIL, Chairman of Committee on Apthis body than it will any of the other bills that thre Treasury.
propriations, United States Senate.
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. On wbat author-
The amendment was agreed to.
Mr. THAYER. I offer the following amend.
ment, to come in on page 16, afier line three edly then we shall have disposed of it, and it
hundred and seventy-two:
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I should like will not take any more time now than it will
For surveying the
boundary line between the State to have the letter read. hereafter. But I do not wish to occupy time
of Nebraska and Territory of Colorado, and that
Mr. HENDRICKS. I send the letter to the on this question. I merely wish to discharge
portivn of the western boundary of the State of desk to be read.
Nebraska'embraced between the forty-first and forty
third degrees of latitude, estimated at three hunThe Chief Clerk read as follows: Mr. FRELINGHUYSEN. I should vote
dred and twenty miles, at not exceeding öfteen dolto lay aside the appropriation bill and to con
TREASURY DEPARTMENT, June 24, 1868. lars per mile, $4,800,
Mr. HARLAN. I move to add the words
incorporated in the general appropriation bill for to be expended under the direction of the reason: this measure has not been much con- the Exccutive Departments for the ensuing fiscal Commissioner of the General Land Office." I sidered by the Senate; I think that it is an
year, appropriating $15,000 to cover expenses of col-
have the concurrence of the mover of the important measure, one requiring the exercise There are outstanding many balances due from
amendment in this modification.
conditions in bonds of various sorts, which can be
ment will be so modified.
Mr. THAYER. I will state that this amend. proceed with the appropriation bill.
sarily employed. Tho Department has hitherto ex- ment has the sanction of the Committee on The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques
perienced considerable einbarrassment in regard to
Territories. There is a disputed boundary, tion is on the motion of the Senator from Ver- time, to draw from appropriations which, though in
and it is not known whether a certain place mont, to postpone the unfinished business for some sense applicable to this object, could be but illy belongs to the State of Nebraska or to the
spared from other objects still more properly charge-
Territory of Colorado or Dakota.
The customs fund has been particularly burdened Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I wish to know
in this way, and it is indispensable to relieve it as something about this proposition. I see no
far as possible for the future. resulted-yeas 19, nays 20; as follows:
On other accounts, too, a specific and limited appro
estimate for it in the estimates submitted to YEAS--Messrs. Anthony. Conness, Corbett, Cra- priation is to be desired for this object, which must the Department. The Senator says the amendgin. Davis, Drake, Edmunds. Harlan, McCreery, continue to be a source of expense for somo time to McDonald, Osborn, Patterson of New Hampshire,
ment comes from the Committee on Territocome if the effort now being made to close up the old Rinsey, Stewart, Sumner, Thayer, Tipton, Wade, outstanding balances which have too long cumbered
ries. There ought to be an estimate from the and Williams-19. the books of the Treasury is to be sustained.
Department. I find an estimate among the NAYS-Messrs. Buckalew, Cole, Conkling, Fes- The Solicitor of the Treasury has expressed his senden, Fowler, Prelinghuysen, Hendricks, Howe, view of the matter in a letter of which a copy is
regular estimates for surveying the eastern Morgan. Morrill of Maine, Morton, Norton, Patter- inclosed to you herewith.
boundary of Colorado, and also for surveying son of Tennessee. Pomeroy, Ross. Sherman, Trum- I am, sir, very respectfully,
the eastern boundary of Nevada.
Mr. POMEROY.' The Committee on Pub.
Secretary of the Treasury.
lic Lands have recommended that in their son, Howard, Johnson, Morrill of Vermont, Nye,
Chairman Commillee on Appropriations, Senate. amendments.
The amendment was agreed to.
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. But I see no
estimate for this particular item.
Mr. THAYER: It emanates from the Com. The following bills received from the House Printing this amendinent, to come in after line
missioner of the General Land Office; and I of Representatives were severally read twice by sixty-nine, on page 4: their titles, and referred to the Committee on For payment for the Congressional Globe and
was informed that it was in the estimates, and Appendix, for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1868,
I had no doubt that it was.
It was submitted the Judiciary:
$20,000, to be taken from the appropriation hereto- to the Committee on Territories and approved A bill (H. R. No. 263) to extend the juris- fore made and unexpended for the purchase of one by them; and I offer it with their sanction. As diction of probate courts and of justices of the
complete set ofthe Congressional Globeand Appendix
I said, there is a disputed boundary and there already received them.
is a long tract of country in regard to which tana; A bill (H. R. No. 348) to provide for hold
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Is that for a it is not known whether it belongs to Colorado,
deficiency for the publication of two extra ing terms of the United States district court for
Nebraska, or Dakota. The people of the town sessions? the western district of Missouri at St. Joseph
of Julesburg have been in doubt for two years
Mr. ANTHONY. Yes. and the city of Kansas, in said State ; and
past whether they were in the State of Nebraska A bill (6. R. No. 446) to amend an act
Mr. ROSS. In explanation of the amend- or the Territory of Colorado or Dakota, and a
ment I send to the desk a letter which I desire entitled "An act to create the eastern judicial
great deal of confusion has arisen from this.
Mr, MORRILL, of Maine. All these propo-
sitions ought to emanate, I submit
, from the The bill (H. R. No. 1046) making appropria
CoxGRESSIONAL GLOBE OFFICE. Department, and if the Senator knows that it
WASHINGTON, June 12, 1868. tions for the repair, preservation, and comple
is recommended by the Department I sball
DEAR SIR: In consequence of no appropriations make no strenuous objection.
Mr. THAYER. Yes, sir; I stated that
July, and November, 1867,) and for the copies of the The amendment was agreed to.
Congressional Globe and Appendix for Senators for
Mr. POMEROY. I move to amend the bill The Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, deficiency which may, however, be in large part met on the seventeenth page, line three hundred and resumed the consideration of the bill (H. R.
and in this way, namely: by authorizing a transfer
Congressional Globe and Appendix for new Senators.
the House of Representatives allowed only The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Yesterday made for that specific purpose have ever been re- $25,000 for surveying in the State of Oregon. the Senator from Ohio, (Mr. SHERMAN,] from quired.)
The matter was before the Committee on Public the Committee on Finance, reported an amend
The unexpended balance referred to amounts to $27,293 81; of which sum $20,100 inay be transferred
Lands, and representations from that State ment, which was objected to as not in order.
to meet the deficiency existing in the sum requisite were made of such a pressing character that The question before the Senate is whether that to pay for tbe Congressional Globe and Appendix for the Committee on Public Lands thought we
Senators for the current session, which work has
ought to come up fully to what was estimated Mr. SHERMAN. At the request of a num. thousand pages limit, and delivered to Mr. Defrees, for. We found,' in reference to most of the ber of Senators I have concluded to withdraw the Congressional Printer, and for which we hold his new States, that the immigration and the de
receipts. the amendment with the understanding that
We would suggest that, providing such a transfer
mands for 'settlement upon the public lands the funding bill shall be taken up as a separate as we have indicated be made, a very suitable point require surveys. The increased impetas that measure immediately after the disposition of in the bill now pending (H. R. No. 605) would be immediately after lino sixty-two--as lines sixty-one
has been given to settlements upon the public this bill; and I now give notice that after this and sixty-two contain a proposition to pay for that
lands require that they should be surveyed. bill is disposed of I shall move to take up the
particular branch of the work for the ensuing seg- Anybody who has had any experience knows funding bill with a view to offer the aineudsions.
the inconvenience of settlers going in advance
and provided for without additional appropriations eighty-eight, by increasing the appropriation
of surveys. They have conflicting claims, con- been expended, from the Willamette valley to Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I might say in
I think in view of the extent of the State of Mr. POMEROY. Do they continue to make
increase, that this is not an extravagant appro- Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I think my hon-
sharper than it sounds. I spoke of the continMr. MORRILL, of Maine. Let that be Mr. POMEROY. Forty thousand dollars. uance of the service. I suppose the service read.
Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, $40,000. Califor- would end when it was performed. Mr. WILLIAMS. I wish to subjoin a state- nia has $50,000. Any one who will look upon Mr. POMEROY. I referred to the action ment to what has already been said by the the map showing the public surveys in the of the House, and not of the Senate. Senator from Kansas, as to the necessity of country, will see that a very large proportion Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The House this addition to the appropriation. Heretofore of California has already been surveyed, while probably would not pursue the service after it the appropriations for the State of Oregon but a very inconsiderable proportion of the had ended; but so long as the service continues have been rather limited in view of the extent State of Oregon has ever yet been touched by an appropriation made for one year is generally of country to be surveyed; and there is a large the public surveys. I hope, therefore, that this considered authority for an appropriation for proportion of the habitable part of that State amendment will be adopted.
another year. I should say, therefore, that now occupied by people that has not been sur- "The amendment was agreed to.
this appropriation follows the appropriation veyed, and the want of the necessary surveys Mr. MORGAN. I am instructed by the of last year. The House committee having is an obstruction to the settlement of the State. joint Committee on the Library to offer an
probably no information, as certainly the comI can name several valleys of considerable ex
amendment, to come in after line four hundred mittee of the Senate had not, except a general tent there, valleys of fertile land upon which and eighty-three, on page 21 :
estimate here, as to the necessity of any fur: persons have settled, and upon which others
To enable the joint Committee on the Library to
ther appropriation being needed, followed the are desirous to settle, that have not been sur- pay Mrs. Sarah F. Ames an additional compensation appropriation of last year. I suppose that may yeyed, such as the valley of John Days' river,
for her marble bust of President Lincoln, $500. account for it. The Senator from Kansas, actthe Upper Des Chutes valley, the Malhereuse I will state what the case is. Something ing as chairman of the Committee on Public valley, the Jordan Creek valley, Wild-horse like two years since the Committee on the Lands, who moves this amendment, states Creek valley, Goose Lake valley, Lost-river Library made an agreement with Mrs. Ames that which he holds to be somewhat conclu. valley, and other valleys of that description
for a marble bust of President Lincoln for the sive, that this follows precisely the estimates, have not been surveyed. There is a necessity sum of $1,500. The bust was to be of life and for that reason he desires that it should that they should be surveyed without any con
size, and when completed was to be satisfac- be accepted by the Senate. But a moment siderable delay, so as to enable the people tory to the Committee on the Library. It has ago, when the estimates did not come quite up upon the lands there to enter them and obtain a beea completed, it is satisfactory to the com- to his standard, the estimates went for nothing. title for their property. I need not say to any.
mittee, and she has received the compensa- If the Senator means, acting as chairman of body who has any experience in any of these new tion of $1,500; but, instead of its being life the Committee on Public Lands, to furnish States that it tends greatly to retard their im- | size, she made it larger than life, made it the proof to the Senate, and that proof is to be provement to limit the amount of surveys, and heroic size, at some additional cost; and the the estimates. I should like to have him bound ibere is no real economy in such a course, and committee, after full consideration of the sub- by them. But a moment ago he moved to it rather has the contrary effect.
ject, and inasmuch as Mrs. Ames bad made a increase the estimates $15,000, and now he Since the estimate was made by the Com- || good bust of a great and good man, probably thinks the estimates are quite conclusive. I missiouer of the General Land Office be bas a better bust than any that has yet been pro- am not certain that this appropriation of written a letter which I will read:
duced, concluded to ask for the appropriation $50,000 is not needed in this place. It is a DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR, upon this bill of the additional sum of $500.
pretty large appropriation, however. It will GENERAL LAND OFFICE, February 7, 1868. These are the facts in the case.
be seen that it increases it $30,000 over the SIR: I have the bonor to acknowledge the receipt The amendment was agreed to. of your communication of the 4th instant upon the
appropriation of last year. subject of an increase in the estimate of appropria
Mr. POMEROY. I move further to amend Mr. STEWART. Allow me one word of tios submitted to Congress by this oflice for survey: this billon the sixteenth page, three hundred and explanation. ing the public lands in Oregon for the next fiscal
seventy-sixth line, under the head of "survey. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Very well. Io reply. I have to say, that at the time the esti- ing the public lands in Nevada,'' by striking out Mr. STEWART. There was never any sur. mates were made this office bad in view the exigen- "twenty'' and inserting fifty," so as to make vey in our State of any consequence until last cies of the surveying service and counteracting influences exerted by the then disturbed condition of
the appropriation for that purpose $50,000. year; but there had been appropriations; we the country on account of Indian hostilities.
That comes up precisely to the estimate of had no surveyor general's office established, The estimate now before Congress for the survey the Department; and the same reasons apply and those appropriations accumulated to some of the public lands in Oregon is $5,000 in excess of the appropriation made for the current fiscal year.
to Nevada, I apprehend, that apply to Oregon. seventy thousand dollars. The surveyor genHad it not been for the reported dangers in Oregon
As I said before, I do not desire to argue any eral then undertook to use the money in the to surveying parties in places remote from the im- of these questions; but the increased demand most advantageous way by running standard mediate vicinity of military establishments in Klamath Lake and Surprise valley, much larger esti
for public land requires surveys, and any land. lines and meridian lines to reach the agriculmates would have been presented for the extension
lord who is able to own an estate is able to tural valleys which were distributed over the of the lines of public surveys, demanded by the pro- survey it if he wants to sell it. We kept back State, and he is now in a position to sectionize, visions of an act granting lands to the State of Oreson for the construction of a military road from
during the war the surveys of the public lands; to run the section and township lines in those Eugene City to tbe eastern boundary of Oregon.
they were not called for during the war, and valleys. The Commissioner of the General In the presence of the foregoing impediments to therefore they were not surveyed; but since Land Office estimated $50,000 for that service, the progress of the public surveys and a due regard to the husbanding national resources, the estimate
the close of the war a great impetus has been but even that is not as much as could be used of the surveyor general of Oregon, amounting to
given to immigration and these lands are to advantage this year, for the reason that the $55,450, was restricted to the sum of $25,000.
called for, and they ought to be surveyed. The Pacific railroad is progressing much more rapRepresentations having since been made to this Committee on Public Lands have recommended idly than was anticipated ; and there will be in office of more pacific attitude of Oregon Indians in the region of country demanding early surveys on a
this amendment so as to bring up the appro- the State some two or three hundred miles, larger scale than estimated, I would be willing to priation to the estimate of the Department. perhaps four hundred miles, of that road this recommend to Congress $40,000 appropriation instead of $25,000 for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1869.
Mr. BUCKALEW. I should like to under: year. A line of settlers have gone out along I have the honor to be, very respectfully, &c.,
stand on what principle the House Committee the road, and it is very important that the surJOS. S. WILSON, Commissioner, op Appropriations make up these appropria- veys should be prosecuted. Fifty thousand Upon the representations that were made to tion bills. It seems to me that they strike dollars is as small an amount as ought to be him, inducing him to believe that these Indian blindly and cut down appropriations without appropriated under all the circumstances; and hostilities were not such as they had been rep- any particular reason, send their bills muti- it will be of more advantage to have it done this resented to him to be, be makes the recom- lated here to the Senate in the expectation, 1 year while the force is in the field. We had a mendation of an additional appropriation of probably, that we will correct all the mistakes good appropriation last year and ran the stand$15.000.
ihat are made. It seems that one bill after ard lines and meridian lines, and if we could Besides the other reasons for adding to this another comes here in the same style, all cut go on with the work this year it would be a great amount I
may mention tbat there is a large up into fragments. We have to restore the accommodation to the settlers. tract of land granted for a military road, upon appropriations to the estimates.
The amendment was agreed to. which a vast amount of work and money has ll remarkable.
Mr. POMEROY. I desire, also, to move 40TH Cong. 2D SESS.No. 228.
It is very
an amendment to the bill on the eighteenth Mr. POMEROY. I call it exactly four loose legislation to appropriate $20,000 for surpage, in the clause which now reads:
hundred miles. It is estimated to be four veys there when we are not informed at all of For surveying the eastern boundary of Nevada, hundred and twenty-five miles; but I think it the amount of unsold lands already surveyed. estimated four hundred and twenty-five miles, at not is about four hundred.
The Senator from Kansas has no information exceeding fifteen dollars per mile, $6,375.
Mr. STEWART, Ten thousand six hun. on that question; and I should want to know Our information is that that will not pay for dred and twenty-five dollars would be the from the General Laud Office what amount of the expenses of the survey, and that it cannot exact sum according to the estimates.
lands are already surveyed in that State and be prosecuted at that price. I do not know the Mr. POMEROY. Very well.
My impression is that there is a fact myself, but that is the representation that The PRESIDENT protempore. The amend- very large quantity, and that there is nio occahas been made to the committee, and I think ments will be reported as modified.
sion for this appropriation. from the Commissioner of the General Land The Chief Clerk read the amendments, Mr. POMEROY. I said we had no esti. Office, that that will not pay the expense of. which was in line four hundred and ten to mate; but it must be evident to every Sen. running that line.
strike out * fifteen" and insert "twenty-five;"> ator, as it is known to me, that there is a Mr. STEWART. The Commissioner asks and also to strike out the word “six" and | large tract of public lands in Florida. It is for twenty-five dollars a mile. The cost of this insert "ten;' and in lines four hundred and evident also to every Senator that for the work may be judged from the cost of running ten and four hundred and eleven to strike out past few years we have made no approother similar lines. The southern line of Ore- the words - three hundred and seventy-five' priation whatever. Now, if the objection is to gon is a precisely similar line. The appropri- | and insert "six hundred and twenty-five;' so prevail that because there are lands not occuation there was as follows: that the clause will read:
pied in Florida that have been surveyed we "Forthesurvey of the forty-second parallel of north For surveying the eastern boundary of Nevada, should not make this appropriation, that would latitude, so far as it constitutes the common bound- estimated at four hundred and twenty-five miles, at ary between the States of California and Oregon,
apply to any of the States. All our States not exceeding twenty-five dollars per mile $10,625. estimated two hundred and twenty miles, at not
contain some unoccupied lands that have been exceeding sixty dollars per mile."
Mr. STEWART. That is it.
surveyed. In fact, the public lands of the That is a very similar line. Then the east
The amendment was agreed to.
older States of the South are unoccupied to a ern boundary line of Oregon is entirely similar. Mr. POMEROY. I have another amend. great extent.
That is not an argument that Although this line is a short distance further ment to offer, and which, as it has not been we should not survey such as have not been East, it runs through precisely the same kind of submitted to the committee, I desire to have surveyed. There are very valuable lands and country. There the appropriation was: passed by unanimous consent. It comes from very attractive lands, I know from the repre. “For surveying the boundary line between the
the State of Florida. The State of Florida was sentations made to me, in Florida, that are Stato of Oregon and the Territory of Idaho, com- not represented here until yesterday, and the not settled upon because they are not sur: mencing at the northern boundary of the State of - Nevada and running north to its intersection with
Senator therefore could not send the amend- veyed, I think we should begin, as these Snake river, estimated one hundred and sixty miles,
ment to the Committee on Appropriations. States come back, one after another, where not exceeding sixty dollars per mile, $9.600."
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Is it estimated | they have got public lands to make a small apThose are the appropriations made for sim- | for?
propriation for them to continue the system of ilar lines. I had a conversation with the Com- Mr. POMEROY. I think none of the States surveying. I think this amendment ought to missioner of the General Land Office on this not represented were estimated for; but the commend itself to the Senate; and I hope 1 subject. I thought this work could be done Senator who has arrived from Florida makes vote of the Senate will be had first on the cheaper than that, He took considerable the statement to the committee, which I knew question whether we will receive it. I offer trouble to estimate it, and put it down at the was true before, that they have some public the amendment, and move that we receive lowest figure at which he thought it could pos
lands that they want surveyed; that there is this amendment to the appropriation bill ap. sibly be done, twenty-five dollars a mile. I do now an immigration demand for them; and if propriating $20,000 for surveys in Florida. not know that you can get anybody to do it for the amendment can be received by unanimous Mr. EDMUNDS. Let the amendment be that; but certainly it cannot be done for less than consent it is simply to insert in the appropriate reported. twenty-five dollars per mile. There is no use place the following:
The Chief Clerk read the amendment, which in making any appropriation at all unless it is For surveying public lands in the State of Florida, was to insert on page 18, after line four hunas much as twenty-five dollars per mile. I will $20,000.
dred and seven: state that it is important to run this line. We I think they ought to have that appropriation For surveying public lands in the State of Flordo not ask for an appropriation to run the
to complete their surveys in the State of ida, $20,000. northern line. We can get along for another Florida.
Mr. HENDRICKS. A moment's reflection year without that; but it is important that the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine.
will satisfy Senators that for the present sureastern line should be run, because there are recommendation from the Department? veys cannot possibly be had in that State, as sertlers on that portion of the line, and they
Mr. POMEROY. There is no recommenda- the operations in the field cannot be carried refuse to pay taxes either in Utah or Nevada,
tion and no estimate for it, because the State on, and there will be but very little delay in because they do not know where they ought to
was not represented here until yesterday. waiting until the next session of Congress,
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. But the Depart. when we can have some information on the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Why should it ment has been here all the time.
subject. I am in favor of liberal appropria. cost any more to run that line than the line in Mr. POMEROY. The Department has not tions to prosecute public surveys; but they Utah, for instance ?
recommended anything or estimated anything ought to be made in those localities where the Mr. STEWART. We have not run a bound. since the commencement of the war for any of settlements are extending out into the public ary line in Utah on either side. these States.
lands. I do not believe that is the case in Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Why should it Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Does the Sena- Florida. I do not believe there is any occa. cost any more than surveying the eastern tor understand what the condition
of the public sion for it there, and I think we ought to have boundary line of Colorado? lands in that State is?
some information from the proper office on the Mr. STEWART. It is a different country Mfr. POMEROY. Only from representations subject. It would take the Commissioner but altogether. The eastern boundary line of Col- made to me by gentlemen directly from there. a few minutes to prepare a letter on the suborado runs right through a valley where there
Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Under the cir. ject. Inasmuch as there is really but very are grass and water and a level country. This cumstances I will not raise a question under little delay in waiting until the next session, line runs a portion of the way through deserts,
the rule. I leave it to the Senate to decide. I think this amendment ought not to be adopted and in order to make a survey you have got to
Mr. POMEROY. I think myself there ought without some information on the subject. carry water on mules for several days' supply. to be a little appropriation for the State of Mr. ANTHONY. Is that amendme:t obThey have got to fix their starting point on the
Florida. Of course it will be the pleasure of jected to? Has that gone over? Colorado river. It is a very difficult line to the Senate to receive it or not under our rules. Mr. POMEROY.
One objection cannot run. For running a precisely similar line sixty It is an appropriation of $20,000 for that State. carry it over. A vote of the Senate can carry dollars a mile was appropriated; but if you will The public lands there have been neglected it over. appropriate twenty-five dollars a mile in this during the whole war; there has been no sur- Mr. ANTHONY.
I understood that the case the Department will make the effort to yeying there; many of the old boundaries are' Senator from Indiana objected to its reception, get the line run for that som. Certainly it being obliterated, and they need, to build up and it cannot come in without unanimous cannot be done for less.
again the waste places and find out wbat are consent. Mr. POMEROY. The amendment which public lands and what are not, to have a little Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. If it is objected I wish to move is to strike out "fifteen," in line appropriation for surveys. Twenty thousand to, under the rules it cannot be considered. four hundred and ten, and to insert óstwenty | dollars is the sum we have recommended. It The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair five;"' and also, in the same line, to strike out can be received, of course, only by unanimous understood the objection was waived, if there "six?' and to insert "ten;" and also to strike consent.
was any objection at all. out “three hundred and seventy-five;'' so that The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques
Mr. ANTHONY. I only desired to offer it will read : tion is on this amendment.
another amendment in case this one was disFor surveying the eastern boundary of Nevada,
Mr. HENDRICKS. I do not recollect what
posed of. estimated at four hundred and twenty-five miles, at is the condition of the surveys of the State of Mr. POMEROY. I trust there will be no not exceeding twenty five dollars per mile, $10,000.
Florida ; but I have no idea that it is import- serious objection to it. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Ten thousand ant now to make additional appropriations. I Mr. ANTHONY. I do not make any. six hundred and twenty-five dollars is the esti- do not think the immigration to that State Mr. POMEROY. I think we ought to pass it. mate.
requires it. I think it would be exceedingly The amendment was agreed to.
Is there any