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NAYS-Messrs. Cattell, Conness, Cragin, Fessen- Thirty-Ninth Congress. I reported it from Mr. FOWLER. I want to know if the meanden, Fowler, Harlan, McDonald, Morgan, Morrill the Committee on Territories.

ing of this is that the Assistant Secretary of of Maine, Nye, Osborn, Patterson of Now Hampshire, Patterson of Tennessee, Pomeroy, Ramsey,

Mr. EDMUNDS. I ask the Senator from the Interior shall have the same pay as the Ross, Stowart, Sumner, Tipton, Willey, Williams, New Hampshire to refer to the statute.

Secretary. When he is serving as Secretary. I and Yates-22. ABSENT - Messrs. Anthony, Bayard, Cameron,

Mr. CRAGIN. Here is the book, [handing should like to know who is discharging his Cole, Corbett, Dixon, Doolittle, Drake, Edmunds, it to Mr. EDMUNDS.]

duties as Assistant Secretary I thought he Ferry, Grimes, Henderson, Johnson, Morrill of Ver- Mr. EDMUNDS. The act of 22d January, was placed there for the purpose of dischargmont, Morton, Norton, Rico, Saulsbury, Sprague, Thayer, Wade, Welch, and Wilson-23.

1867, I see, appropriates of the revenues of ing the duties of the Secretary when the SecSo the amendment to the amendment was

that Territory that amount of money for that | retary should be absent. rejected.

purpose. That being so, I do not see that Mr. HARLAN. At this session we passed

there is any objection to the amendment. The PRESIDING OFFICER. The ques

a bill on an amendment to some law giving the The amendment was agreed to.

heirs of a chief clerk in the State Department tion recurs on the amendment proposed by the

Mr. HARLAN. I offer this amendment as

the pay of Secretary of State during the period Senator from New Hampshire, (Mr. PATTERa new section:

he served as Secretary of State. Such bills son,) from the Committee on Foreign Rela

have been passed here repeatedly giving an tions.

And be it further enacted, That the Assistant Secretary of the Interior shall be entitled to receive a

Assistant Secretary the pay of Secretary durThe amendment was agreed to.

sum equal to the difference between his salary as ing the time he acted as such on account of Mr. YATES. I move to amend the bill by

such and that of theSecretary of the Interior forand
during the period he has heretofore acted pursuant

absence from the city or on account of sickinserting after line four hundred and eighty. to law as such Secretary during the absence from the

ness of the Secretary. I do not want to press nine:

seat of Government or illness of such Secretary, and this if it is not a proper thing to be done; That the Secretary of the Interior in his discretion

such sum is hereby appropriated out of any money and if those who are conversant with the cusis authorized to expend the appropriation heretofore not otherwise appropriated.

tom of the Government in relation to such made for the purpose of erecting a penitentiary for Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I should like to questions will say that it has not been done the Territory of Colorado on the site belonging to and owned and provided for the purpose by said inquire of the Senator who offers this amend

repeatedly in relation to other Departments I Territory.

ment whether he understands that to be usual; shall withdraw the amendment. I am directed by the Committee on Territo- whether there is any precedent for it; whether Mr. FESSENDEN. I believe the case of ries to report this amendment.

it is customary for the subordinates, when per- Mr. Dickins was an old matter, and for pecuMr. EDMUNDS. Has it been referred to forming the duties of the head of the Depart- liar reasons. It arose before there were laws the Committee on Appropriations?

ment in such cases of sickness or absence, to on the subject. There are now statutes on the Mr. YATES. It does not make any approreceive the higher compensation.

subject, and that case cannot properly be cited priation. I will state that an appropriation

Mr. HARLAN. Similar provision was made as a precedent. of $40,000 was made to build a penitentiary in

for the Assistant Secretary of another Depart- Mr. SHERMAN. The Senator from Iowa Colorado Territory, and the site was to be

ment during this session, and it has been made, can see the distinction I make. The United fixed under the direction of the Secretary of I think, frequently heretofore.

States appropriate money, $8,000 a year for the Interior. The difficulty which I wish to

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Is this amend

the pay of the Attorney General, and $8,000 obviate is this: the title to a grant on which it ment moved by a committee ?

for a Secretary of the Interior. While the is to be built is in the Territory, and the Sec.

Mr. HARLAN. The Committee on the Dis

Secretary is performing the duties of Attorney retary of the Interior does not wish to expend | trict of Columbia.

General according to law by assignment, imthe money without some instructions, inasmuch

Mr, EDMUNDS. Has it been referred to

portant responsibilities are necessarily thrown as the title to the ground is in the Territory. the Committee on Appropriations ?

upon his assistant, and I am willing to pay him I presume there is no objection whatever to Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. Yes, sir; notice

for that time, because then the United States the amendment. It does not propose to make

was sent to us. any new appropriation whatever, but simply

Mr. EDMUNDS. Does notice do under | higher grade, whereas if

lose nothing; they pay only two officers of the

you extended the rule that the Secretary of the Interior may, in his the rule?

further and allowed for a temporary absence, discretion, apply the money already appropri

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I understand

as a matter of course the United States would ated. the rule to require that it should be referred.

be paying two officers for performing the same Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. This would be

Mr. EDMUNDS. Presented in the Senate

work, and that principle is forbidden by law. an authority to the Secretary of the Interior to and referred to the committee.

There is an express provision in a general law erect a prison on a different tract of land from

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I understand which declares that no officer shall receive the that authorized by a previous appropriation ? that was done.

pay

of his chief when there is no vacancy in Mr. HARLAN. I understand the difficulty

Mr. HARLAN. It was presented and re- the office, because as a matter of course that which the Senator from Illinois seeks to obviate ferred yesterday to the Committee on Appro- ll would involve two salaries for the same office. to be this : now by a general law no head of a priations.

I do not know of any case where that has Department can expend money in the erec.

Mr. SHERMAN. I have no objection to been granted. tion of public buildings until the title shall || allowing Mr. Otto the pay of Secretary of the

Mr. HARLAN. I will accept the modifi. have been shown to be clear and in the United Interior during the time his chief has been

cation of the amendment suggested by the States; but in making the conveyance of the employed as Attorney General. There is jus

Senator from Ohio, to make it read that he site for the penitentiary the conveyance was

tice in that; but to adopt the general prin- shall receive the difference in pay between made to the Territory of Colorado? So the ciple stated in the amendment would lead to

that of Assistant Secretary and Secretary Senator from Maine will see that there is a

innumerable claims. For instance, the Sec. technical difficulty. retary of State has been occasionally absent during the time the Secretary has acted or may

act as Attorney General. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. This, then, is to at Auburn for a few days at a time. Is the

Mr. EDMUNDS. I hope that will not be authorize him to erect the building for which Assistant Secretary to receive his pay during | put on an appropriation bill

, because if that is the appropriation was made, upon a different his temporary absence? In a case where an tract of land. Assistant Secretary really does the business | Other Departments, where the thing is happen.

a true principle it ought to be applied to the Mr. HARLAN. No, it is the same tract of

of the office and discharges its responsibilities, || ing constantly, and therefore it ought not to be land as I understand, but the land was conhis chief being employed in the discharge of

put on this bill. In the next place, I doubt veyed to the Territory instead of being conveyed

the duties of another department, I would not to the United States of America. object to paying him the higher salary during || that when an Assistant Secretary performs the

greatly the propriety of it at all. The fact is Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. And the former that time, and the Government would lose

duties of Secretary he does not do any more appropriation only authorized it to be erected nothing by that arrangement. I should be

work than he did perform, and he has the honor on land belonging to the United States. willing to give Mr. Otto the difference in pay

of being acting Secretary of the Interior, or Mr. HARLĂN. That is a general provision during the time his chief has been acting as

of State, or whatever it may be. I am not of law. Attorney General.

speaking of this particular gentleman; I have Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. And this pro

Mr. FESSENDEN. How is it when the

no doubt he is as solid as anybody is ; from poses to authorize him to expend this money head of a Department is absent for several | what I know of him I have no doubt he is; on land belonging to the Territory? weeks because of sickness?

but I speak of all of them. They do not wear Mr. YATES. The Territorial Legislature Mr. SHERMAN. The difference in pay themselves out any more than they did before; fixed the site.

has never been given so far as I know, and I they get the pay they had before, and some Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The object of do not think it ought to be done.

clerk performs the duties they did before; and my inquiry was to learn whether it was an item Mr. HOWE. You have, I guess, at least there is no need of paying them extra. of appropriation, or simply a direction of an as many as half a dozen statutes on the book Mr. HARLAN. Judging from the expresappropriation already made.

declaring that such payments as this shall not sions that have been made here, there is no Mr. CRAGIN. I will state that at the last be made. If Congress is willing to pay an use in urging the amendment, and I withdraw it. session of Congress the Committee on Terri- Assistant Secretary for acting in the place of Mr. PATTERSON, of Tennessee. I offer tories reported a bill authorizing the Territo- the principal, it ought to be a general rule. If this amendment, to be inserted after line two ries to erect penitentiaries at an expense not you put this provision in here, you will have a hundred and twenty-five, on page 10: exceeding $10,000, to be taken out of the separate bill in every case where the head of

To enable the Secretary of the Treasury to enlarge internal revenue taxes raised in the Territory. a Department is absent for a short time and the lot in the city of Nashville for the erection of a

Mr. EDMUNDS. When was that act passed? his assistant performs his duty. That is unne- custom-house, $25,000.
Mr. CRAGIN. At the last session of the cessary legislation, even if it is just.

It is proper for me to state that in offering

name.

this amendment I do so under the instruction necessary, but I do not think it is necessary to The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amendof the Committee on Commerce, and that the go into such statistics for the purpose of mak- ment has been renewed. appropriation meets the approbation of the ing clear the propriety of this little appropria. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. The objection Treasury Department. It is simply to enlarge tion of $25,000 to be expended in the State having been made once, it was hardly necesthe lot of ground at Nashville for the site of of Tennessee.

sary to renew it. the custom-house.

Mr. POMEROY. I would not like to op- Mr. CAMERON. It is not exactly the same Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I will state to pose anything that ought to be done; but if proposition, because I have added a condition the Senate what this is. In 1856 Congress this is for the purpose of an internal revenue that the money shall be appropriated on conappropriated $20,000 to purchase a lot of land office or post office it ought to be so stated. dition that the people of Harrisburg shall pay in the city of Nashville for the erection of a I understand it to be for a custom-house. the additional sum which the Secretary of the public building in that city, and the act limited Mr. FOWLER. All the officers of the Gov- || Treasury shall say is necessary to erect a proper the size of the building. The Secretary of the ernment there are to be in this custom-house building Treasury now communicates to the Committee building, I understand.

Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I suppose the on Commerce that the lot of land which was Mr. POMEROY. The Senator represents Senator is hardly serious in urging this propoauthorized to be purchased is not large enough they have large internal revenue receipts, and sition. There is no instance where the Gov. for the erection of a suitable building, that need a post office, but he fails to tell us in re- ernment has built a post office by itself. In there ought to be additional land procured | gard to the receipts from any commerce that large seaports, and perhaps in some other for that purpose. The supervising architect passes through the custom-house. I am will. || places where a custom-house has been neceshas sent to the Committee on Commerce a plan | ing to give to these States any reasonable sary, provision has been made for a customof the building which is in harmony with the cus- appropriation for anything that we are in the house building that should also contain accom. tom-houses Ibat are being built now, and have habit of appropriating for in any State; but I modations for the post office and the United been for the last six or eight years in the coun- never thought of asking for an appropriation States courts. There is no instance, I believe, try generally, whereby it becomes necessary for my own State for the purpose of building | where an appropriation has been made for to acquire additional land. As I understand post offices or an internal revenue office, al- building a post office by itself; and by law the the matter, the Committee on Commerce rec- Though I presume they would be very accept- Post Office Department is authorized to proommend that the Secretary of the Treasury be able and desirable. States which are so situ. vide all necessary accommodations for post authorized to acquire additional land for that ated that do not have much commerce cannot offices. I must enforce the rule on the Senator. purpose, and this appropriation is made to expect to have custom-houses. I would not Mr. CAMERON. I do not think the chair. enable him to do it.

call this a "custom-house;" call it some other man will do that when he comes to look at the Mr. POMEROY. Land for what? To erect.

case. When we have a United States court at a building on?

Mr. CHANDLER. It is well known that in Harrisburg we are perfectly willing that it shall Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. A custom-house, Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukie, and have rooms in this building without charge. court-house, and post office.

other cities, buildings were erected for custom- Just think of it, at the seat of government of Mr. EDMUNDS. How much land have houses, post offices, and court-houses, and all what is admitted to be next to the greatest they now?

the Government offices. This amendment State in the Union we have no place for the Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. One hundred | simply authorizes the extension of the size of post office there unless it is by the sufferance feet by fifty perhaps; and the plan of the the lot at Nashville to enable them to rent a of the people who own the buildings. building is one hundred and twenty feet. building relatively of the same size as in these Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. That is the case Mr. POMEROY. They want $25,000 for other cities.

everywhere. more land?

Mr. PATTERSON, of Tennessee. If my Mr. CAMERON. No; it is not the case at Mr. MORRILL, of Maine.

Yes, sir.

friend from Kansas would look to the law of Portland, in Maine. Mr. EDMUNDŚ. What is the amount of | 1856, authorizing the erection of this custom- Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. It is the case in receipts from imports at that port?

house at Nashville he would see that the build- my own city. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. * I do not know. ing at Nashville is not only intended for a Mr. CAMERON. We have provided in this What I mean to say about it is that heretofore custom-house, but for the use of the courts of very bill for such a building at Portland, in an appropriation of $20,000 was made to buy the United States, and the post offices and Oregon. land for ihe erection of a public building in other offices connected with the Government Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. My own city is the city of Nashville, and that is found now to of the United States.

parallel precisely to the honorable Senator's be inadequate; there is not land enough on

The amendment was agreed to.

case as to being the seat of government, though which to erect such a building as is recom

Mr. CAMERON. I move to amend the bill not parallel in greatness as regards the com. mended by the supervising architect and by || by inserting an appropriation of $25,000 for a parative importance of States; and I should the Treasury Department.

post office building in the city of Harrisburg, | hardly think of moving the same thing for Mr. EDMUNDS. My inquiry was wbat was Pennsylvania. I believe there is now no town Augusta. the amount of yearly receipts from customs at of that magnitude in the United States that Mr. CAMERON. This is the difference that port?

has not such a building erected by the Govern between the cases: the post office in the town Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I do not know. ment. The post office at Harrisburg yields a which is the seat of government of the State Very likely the Committee on Commerce may large revenue to the Government, and the safety of Maine I think gives no surplus, or very know.

of the mails and the dignity of the Govern- | little, while at. Harrisburg it is a very large Mr. FOWLER. I do not wish to take up ment require that there should be such a build- The Harrisburg office is the most profitthe time of the Senate in discussing this | ing there.

able post office to the Government in the State $25,000 appropriation for the purchase of land The PRESIDENT pro tempore. Is the of Pennsylvania, outside of Philadelphia, and for the site of a building for a custom-house in amendinent reported from a committee of this Philadelphia is the most profitable in the Union, the city of Nashville, when there never has body?

not excepting New York. been one dollar of money expended in the Mr. CAMERON. Well, Mr. President, it Mr. FÉSSENDEN. I believe this is all out State of Tennessee by this Government for any | ought to have been reported before. [Laugh of order. The question of order has been public building whatever. In 1860 a lot was ter.) I suppose if the chairman of the Coin- raised, and it is not debatable. purchased by the Government, which is there mittee on Appropriations will" accept service” | The PRESIDENT pro tempore. It was so now; it is too small for the purpose of erecting now

feebly raised that the Chair did not know this building. Instead of being worth $20,000 The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amend- whether it was intended to be insisted on or now, that lot is worth $100,000. We add a ment can be entertained by unanimous consent. not. (Laughter.] In the mean time gentlecertain quantity of land so as to make the lot Is there any objection to the amendment? men go on to argue it. I suppose they waive large enough to erect a building suitable for Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. It is not in the point of order when they go on to argue the purpose. We need a custom-house, a post order?

the question. Points of order should be made office, and a court-room, as in other cities. It Mr. POMEROY. I did not understand what promptly in limine; and when gentlemen prois certainly a very small amount, much smaller the amendment was.

ceed to argue the merits of a proposition it is than has been expended in any city of the

presumed they waive same size in any State of the Union. I am appropriate the sum for erecvery well aware that the citizens there will have tion of a post office in the city of Harrisburg, on the chairman of the Committee on Approto make up some of the money needed to Pennsylvania, on condition that such a build. || priations whether he will insist on his rule or secure land enough to build a suitable building ing as the Secretary of the Treasury shall direct || whether I shall have my amendment put on upon.

to be erected shall not cost more than that sum, || the bill. I do not recollect the amount of receipts because if it does cost more I pledge myself Mr. ANTHONY. I suggest to the Senator from customs, but the internal revenue of that that the people of Harrisburg will make up from Pennsylvania that he can readily remove district is very large, and previous to 1860 the the additional sum.

the only objection the Senator from Maine receipts from customs were considerable; at Mr. POMEROY. It would be a pretty good makes to the proposition. The Senator from the present time they are small, and have been precedent to set, because I want to move a Maine says that no post office buildings are since 1860. Of course the customs ought now similar appropriation when this amendment is constructed unless there is a custom-house in to increase very rapidly. I could make a state- adopted.

the same building. If the Senator from Pennment of the size of the buildings constructed The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amend. sylvania will consent that there shall be a in other cities of the Union, and also of the ment will be reported.

custom-house in this, building I suppose the prices for which they were erected, if it were Mr. FESSENDEN. It was objected to. Senator from Maine will withdraw his objection?

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Mr. CAMERON. Certainly.

are now located. Even at ports where it may be fund at once, which is absolutely necessary The PRESIDENT pro tempore.

deemed best to retain the ownership of the hospital under the present system. tion of order is made the amendment cannot buildings it might be advisable to lease them to pri

If the system is to vato or municipal hospitals, which would gladly

be changed it cannot be changed now by strikbe received.

receive the seamen on favorable term3. Such an ing out a necessary appropriation, because it is Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. If I understand arrangement was formerly in force at Charleston,

a matter that must be done by degrees. If the Chair so to rule, I have a motion to make.

South Carolina, much to the advantage of the patients
and the fund.

you omit to make the needed appropriation The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The Chair "Should these suggestiona be adopted, and at the either they go on and there is a deficiency to so rules, of course. same time the rate of contribution fixed at thirty

be made up, or else you must shut up some Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. I call the atten

cents a month, instead of twenty, as at present, the tion of the Senate to the ninth page of the bill, proceeds of the tax, thoroughly collected and econom

of these hospitals, turn the men out of doors, ically administered, would be ample to ineet every

and that without making a new arrangement line two hundred and six :

demand which a judicious discrimination in afford-
ing relief would inake upon them; and the scainen

for a contract system of some kind or other. For repairs and outfits, $15,000.

would receivo far more substantial and efficient I am of opinion, as I stated the other day, The estimate was $170,000; and I am told benefit than under the present system.”

that we have too many of these hospitals. We that $15,000 is a misprint; it should be Mr. President, I showed the Senate the other have them at some places where neither the $150,000.

day that up to 1846 there never bad been a present demands for supporting sick and disMr. EDMUNDS. “Repairs and outfits" dollar contributed by the nation to this fund abled sailors nor the prospective demands are of what? but once, and that was in lieu of the twenty

such as to justify the erection of a building. Mr. MORRILL, of Maine. It is in regard cents tax. That took place in 1837. I showed A great many buildings have been erected, to the revenue-cutter service. I move to make

that repeatedly since 1816 Congress had omit- more especially up and down the Mississippi the appropriation $150,000 instead of $15,000. The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The ques

ted all appropriations. I showed that when river, more I think than are necessary there.

they first commenced making appropriations Some have been sold; considerable reforms tion is on the amendment of ihe Senator from

they commenced appropriating tivelve or fif- have already taken place; Congress has authorMaine.

teen thousand dollars per annum, the highest ized the sale in several places of hospitals that The amendment was agreed to. being $25,000, until one year they appropriated

were not needed and where the expense of The bill was reported to the Senate as $200,000 in aid of this fund and to furnish five keeping them up was necessarily very great amended.

different hospitals. Putting the two subjects comparatively in consequence of there not The amendments made as in Committee of

together, the appropriation was $200,000. I being sufficient demand to justify the erection the Whole were concurred in.

now produce the testimony of the Secretary of and keeping up of a building. Probably the Mr. HOWE. I wish to renew a motion to

the Treasury, who says that if you will take ten reason a marine hospital has not been built at amend made by the Committee on Appropria. cents more a month, that is to say $1 20 a

the city of New York is that the city of New tions, to strike out the appropriation for marine year, from the men who are employed in this

York has so many sailors that no one hospital hospitals, and I wish to add to what I said the

service, and add it to the fund, the sailors can we should be likely to erect could hold all who other day on that subject a few remarks made be taken better care of with that fund than ought to be accommodated. At any rate, they by the Secretary of the Treasury in his report they are with the money which you appropri- || have not begun the system there; for what reason submitted in 1865; one page is all I wish to ate; and the only argument alleged, as I re- I do not know. Perhaps it was unwise to charge read: member, the other day in favor of this appro

the old system, but I am myself of a different “The working of the marine hospital system as at

opinion, and I have been always of a different present constituted is not altogether satisfactory.I priation was that the wages of the seamenThe erection and repair of numerous expensive

for they get wages-were spent so thriftlessly opinion. I do not think it operates well in all buildings, and the support of the establishments and shiftlessly for purposes of dissipation that

cases to leave these men to the tender mercies necessarily connected with their operations, have they would not save anything to take care of

of contractors; but where you have a large entailed upon the Government a yearly expense far beyond the amount contributed by the seamen, which themselves; so that this $1 20 a year which

extent of sea.coast and a great deal of navigahas been met by large annual appropriations by Con- the Secretary proposes to take out of their | tion it is better to have a hospital, and have it The act of July 16, 1798, by which the system was

wages is money which confessedly, if it is not || properly cared for and properly managed. created, and the rate of contribution fixed at twenty taken, will be squandered in dissipation. Take

We want more or less of them, how many I cents per inonth, confined the action of the Govern- that ten cents away, says the Secretary, and

do not know. ment to the simple expenditurc, for the benefit of you can save to your Treasury $150,000 a year.

If the Senator desires to correct the evil it theseamon, of thoamounts thus contributed by themselves, and contemplated laying no burden on the Now I ask the Senate to make that substitute,

must be done systematically. You must exampublic Treasury. If it is deemed advisable to con- to refuse this appropriation, and then put that ine, in the first place, and see how many hostinue any system of relief, under control of the Goy

clause in the bill; and I want the yeas and pitals can be dispensed with and sold, and how ernment, it is respectfully suggested that the original intent of the law should be carried into effcctand the nays on that proposition.

many it is necessary to retain; because there are fund mado self-sustaining. With this view it will be The yeas and nays were ordered.

some places where they are necessary for these necessary to increase the fund and to make a material The PRESIDENT pro tempore. The amend

purposes, and others where they are not. Take reduction in the expenses. " Experience has shown, and former Secretaries ment will be reported.

the hospital that is erected in my city. It cost have at various times and with entire unanimity The Chief CLERK. The amendment is to with the furniture, probably about sixty thourepresented to Congress, that the system of public strike out from lines forty-seven to fifty-four

sand dollars. The Senator says "sell it for a marino hospitals, maintained and managed by the Government, is the least economical method that has the following clause :

town hospital.” It is a little out of the city, been devised for the administration of this fund, and

For supplying deficiency in the fund for the relief

though on the harbor. It is in the town of affords the least comparative benefit to the seamen. of sick and disabled scamen. $150,000: Provided, That

Westbrook. The town of Westbrook has no need Tho expenses of these establishments are large, inde- hereafter the Secretary of the Treasury shall com- of it, nor has the city of Portland. The city pendently of the number of scamen received in them.

municate at each annual session of Congress a full When the patients are numerous the average rate of and complete statement in detail of the amounts

of Portland has ample accommodations for expense per man is not unreasonable; but where

collected from seamen, and also the amount ex- all its poor. It would not be good for any they are few, as at most of the public institutions, pended for sick and disabled seamen, in accordance

purpose. the expense per capita is very largely in excess of the

It would not bring $10,000. It with the provisions of the act of May 3, 1802. cost of maintaining them under contract at private,

would only bring what the materials would sell State, or municipal institutions, where they would Mr. FESSENDEN. The report from which for when taken down. It is the only marine be better accommodated at an expense exactly pro

the Senator read was the first report, I believe, hospital for about three hundred miles of seaportioned to the services rendered.

*Mention may be made, in illustration, of one of that was made by the present Secretary of the coast. Will you shut up that hospital at once these public hospitals, which is maintained at an Treasury. The Senator is not disposed to place without making another arrangement. annual expense of upward of four thousand dol

much reliance on the opinions of the present lars, and which accommodates an averago of less

Is

say, then, that if my friend wishes to arrive than a singlo patient, at a daily cost per capita of Secretary of the Treasury, but with these he at a proper conclusion—and I have no sort of more than $14 50; while quite as satisfactory relief is disposed to agree.

objection to its being tried-there should be an can be had under contract for about one dollar per

Mr. HOWE. Tbe Senator is entirely right. examination made to see what number of dif*There are, moreover, several hospital buildings, I did not read that to strengthen myself, but I ferent hospitals can be dispensed with, which erected at great cost, now lying idle, out of repair, and put it to influence the conviction of the Sena- of them ought to be sold, and then provision pot available for their intended use. Some of these

ior. I never knew him to differ with the Secre- should be made by law to exact more of the have never been occupied, and one, at least, is situated at a point remote from any port, and where relief tary of the Treasury when he asked an appro- sailors, it you mean to meet it in that way; but is never demanded. Others now occupied are in a priation, and I hoped he would follow him at presert you have no law on that subject, and condition requiring large and immediate outlay to when he discouraged one. preserve them.

it is not very likely that you can get a law " In view of these facts, it is strongly recommended Mr. FESSENDEN. He does not discourage through at this session of Congress. "This sum that authority be conferred by law upon this Depart- that appropriation now. He suggests a change is necessary for the succeeding year; you canment to sell such hospitals as experience has shown are not needed, retaining only those situated at

of the system. I do not think he knew at that not begin a reform of this kind by simply sayimportant ports, there, by the course of commerce, time anything about it. I know precisely how | ing that money which is absolutely needed for deinands for relief are likely to be most frequent and that was got up; he sent a clerk of his Depart- the system as it exists shall not be appropriated pressing, and where contracts on favorable terins

ment, who was officiating as librarian, I forget and then leave everything to chance afterward cannot be procured with private or municipal institutions. The proceeds should either be returned into his name, to look at the hospitals around the to make it up. That is no way to begin, because the Treasury, in repayment of their cost, or invested country, and he made an examination and gave it is an important system and we have got to for the benefit of the hospital fund. In favor of the contract system it may be re

his opinions when he came back, and upon the take care of these people in some way or other. marked that it is in operation most successfully at opinions of that clerk the Secretary founded If, therefore, the Senator wishes to substiNew York, where demands for relief are far the his report. The suggestion made has a good || tute the contract system, entirely sweep out heaviest, at Baltimore, Philadelphia, St.Louis, Louis

deal of plausibility in it; but if we are going | all these hospitals, let us have a well-digested ville, and Cincinnati; and it is believed that quito as advantageous and satisfactory arrangements inigbt

to change the system it must be done as a plan for that purpose, and not begin by strikbe made at other ports where Government hospitals ll whole. You cannot do it by diminishing the li ing out this appropriation which, in the exist

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ing state of things, is absolutely necessary to make this appropriation while you are investi- A bill (H. R. No. 518) granting a pension the support of the seamen. That is what I gating the system the seamen will suffer. No, to George F. Gorbam, late a private in comobject to. I will, if I remain in Congress long sir; let the hospitals stand ; let the seamen pany B, twenty-ninth regiment Massachusetts enough, go with the Senator to examine this occupy them if those who contract to take care volunteer infantry; system thoroughly, and if there are errors in of them think they can take care of them there A bill (H. R. No. 522) granting a pension it that ought to be corrected, to correct them, the cheapest. All I propose to do is to with: to W. W. Cunningham; dispose of the hospitals we do not need, sub- hold this appropriation which you have de- A bill (H. R. No. 525) granting a pension stitute the contract system where it will be monstrated over and over again is not neces- to Jeremiah T. Hallett; more advantageous; but to strike out at once ssary, and then to add to the seamen's fund ten A bill (H. R. No. 661) granting a pension an appropriation that is absolutely necessary cents a month more than you now collect from to the widow and minor children of William for the system as it exists, is, in my judgment, | it. That, the Secretary says, will take care of Craft; not wise legislation, and is not the right end them, and take better care of them than has A bill (H. R. No. 662) granting a pension to begin at, because there is nothing provided been taken of them heretofore.

Then you

to the widow and minor children of George to make up for what is absolutely necessary. can make up your minds at your leisure R. Waters ;

Mr. DRAKE. I want to make a suggestion whether your hospitals are necessary or not. A bill (H. R. No. 663) granting a pension to the honorable Senator from Wisconsin about My amendment has nothing to do with them; to Cyrus K. Wood, the legal representative of this matter which, perhaps, may have some it will not destroy them ; it will not dissipate || Cyrus D. Wood; weight with him. I think the principal objec|| them; it leaves them where they are.

A bill (H. R. No. 664) granting a pension tion which bas existed to these hospitals has Mr: COLE. The estimates are based on to the minor children of Charles Gouler; grown out of the want of efficient superintendo some information which the Department has A bill (H. R. No. 666) granting a pension ence of them. They have been very much on the subject.

to Henry H. Hunter; more expensive heretofore than there was any Mr. HOWE. The Secretary of the Treasury A bill (H. R. No. 669) granting a pension necessity for, the custom-house officers having | has nothing to do with the estimates.

His

to the widow and minor children of Myron the matter put into their hands of providing board submit the sum they want, and they ask Wilklow; for them without understanding that business. $200,000 this year because they had it before. A bill (H. R. No. 670) granting a pension To remedy that difficulty the Senate has passed Mr. COLE. I presume they are able to give to the widow and children of Andrew Holman; at the last session a bill authorizing the ap- | good reasons why the appropriation should be A bill (H. R. No. 521) to place the name of pointment of a supervising surgeon, whose duty | made.

Solomon Zachman on the pension-roll; it shall be to examine the condition of all these The question being taken by yeas and nays, A bill (H. R. No. 673) granting a pension hospitals, to supervise the operations of them, 1 resulted-yeas 11, nays 20; as follows: to the widow and minor children of John S. and the supplies for them. I would suggest to YEAS -- Messrs. Buckalew, Cameron, Conkling, || Phelps; the honorable Senator from Wisconsin whether Conness. Edmunds. Howe, McCreery, Trumbull, A bill (H. R. No. 672) granting a pension it would not be wiser, in regard to this matter, Wade. Williams, and Yates-11.

to the widow and minor children of Charles W.

NAYS–Messrs. Anthony, Chandler, Cole, Cragin, to wait until such an officer as that has had the Drake, Fessenden, Fowler. Frolinghuysen, Harlan,

Wilcox; subject in hand long enough to investigate the McDonald, Morgan, Morrill of Maine, Osborn, Pat- A bill (H. R. No. 676) granting a pension condition of them and to put us in the right | Suinner. Vickers, and Welch-20. terson of New Hampshire, Ramsey, Ross, Stewart,

to Thomas Connolly ; track for remedying any objections that may ABSENT-Messrs. Bayard, Cattell, Corbett, Davis,

A bill (H. R. No. 677) granting a pension have existed heretofore to the system.

Dixon, Doolittle, Ferry, Grimes, Henderson, Hend- to the minor children of James Heatherly; Mr. COLE. I have no objection to any ricks, Howard, Johnson, Morrill of Vermont, Morton,

A bill (H. R. No. 770) granting a pension Norton, Nye, Patterson of Tennessee, Pomeroy. more economical disposition that can be made

to John H. Finlay ; Rice, Saulsbury: Sherman, Sprague, Thayer, Tipton, of sailors who have become disabled or sick in Van Winkle, Willey, and Wilson-27.

A bill (H. R. No. 675) granting a pension the service, but this proposed rejection of the So the amendment was rejected.

to the widow and minor children of Cornelius appropriation will be followed, as I see, by no The amendments were ordered to be en:

L. Rice; provision whatever for them. These hospitals ll grossed, and the bill to be read a third time.

A bill' (H. R. No. 771) granting a pension are established, I believe, by particular laws, | The bill was read the third time, and passed.

to John L. Lay ; and it appears to me the proper way to effect

A bill (H. R. No. 3) granting a pension a remedy would be by reorganizing the system,

to William H. McDonald; and modifying the laws, and not by withholding an A message from the House of Representa- A bill (H. R. No. 825) granting a pension appropriation. There is one of these estab- || tives, by Mr. Clinton LLOYD, its Chief Clerk, to Jobn W. Hughes: lishments at San Francisco, a very large ma- announced that the House had passed the bill And asked a conference on the disagreeing rine hospital, established by the General Goy. || (S. No. 347) to confirm the title of Ethan Ray

votes of the two Houses on the bills, and ernment. It has been in use a long time, and Clarke and Samuel Ward Ciarke to certain || appointed Mr. SIDNEY PERHAM of Maine, Mr. bas generally been well filled with patients. || lands in the State of Florida, claimed under a J. F. BENJAMIN of Missouri, and Mr. G. F. If the amendment of the Senator from Wis- || grant from the Spanish Government.

Miller of Pennsylvania, managers at the conconsin should prevail, it seems to me it must The message also announced that the House ference on its part. necessarily result in closing it up, and of had passed a bill (H. R. No. 1206) to restore On motion of Mr. VAN WINKLE, the Sencourse in great distress to the inmates of the to certain parties their rights under the laws ate proceeded to consider the message received hospital. I presume the appropriation of and treaties of the United States; in which it from the House of Representatives informing $150,000 may be sufficient. I am willing to requested the concurrence of the Senate.

the Senate of its disagreement to the amendagree to that reduction which has been made,

ENROLLED BILLS SIGNED.

ments of the Senate to the bills of the House but I am opposed to striking out the appropriation entirely:

The message also announced that the Speaker

last named. Mr. HOWE. Now, I call attention to the bills and joint resolutions; and they were there: of the House had signed the following enrolled

On motion of Mr. VAN WINKLE, it was

Resolved, That the Senate insist upon its amendfact that here are the Senator from Maine,

ments to the said last-named bills, and agree to the the Senator from California, and the Senator | the Senate: upon signed by the President pro tempore of

conference asked by the House of Representatives

on tbe disagreeing votes of the two Houses on the from Missouri, insisting upon this appropriation of $150,000, and insisting upon it simply ! Almira Wyeth;

A bill (H. R. No. 411) for the relief of said bills.

Ordered, That the conferees on the part of the Senbecause you have got so many hospitals to take

ate be appointed by the President pro tempore.

A bill (H. R. No. 523) granting a pension care of, and not because you have got so many to James S. Todd;

The PRESIDENT pro tempore appointed seamen to take care of. The Secretary of the

A bill (H. R. No. 671) granting a pension

Mr. Van WINKLE, Mr. TRUMBULL, and Mr. Treasury says that you can take care of the to the widow of Henry Kaneday;

EDMUNDS. seamen without any money from the national A bill (H. R. No. 775) granting a pension

BILL RECOMMITTED. Treasury if you will add ten cents a month out of the funds of the seamen. to Rebecca Jane Kinsel;

On motion of Mr. STEWART, the bill (S. The Senator from Maine says here is a sys

A bill (H. R. No. 780) for the relief of || No. 349) granting aid in the construction of a tem and you are in danger of disturbing the T. Jones; Martha M. Jones, administratrix of Samuel | railroad from the town of Vallejo to Hum

boldt bay, in the State of California, was recomsystem by suddenly cutting off this appropriation ; that the true way to effect a reform is to

A bill (H. R. No. 1129) for the relief of the mitted to the Committee on Public Lands.

widow and children of Colonel James A. Mul. see how many hospitals you can dispense with, ligan, deceased ; and

HOUSE BILL REFERRED. and then when you have dispensed with these

A joint resolution (H. R. No.312) relative to

The bill (H. R. No. 1206) to restore to cer. see how much money you want out of the the pay of the Assistant Librarian of the House. tain parties their rights under the laws and Treasury. Mr. President, in answer to that,

treaties of the United States was read twice I call his attention and that of the Senate to

by its title, and referred to the Committee on the fact that more than half a dozen times The message also announced that the House the Judiciary. since 1846, when you made your first appro- | had disagreed to the amendments of the Sen.

ELECTORAL VOTES OF LATE REBEL STATES. priation to this fund, you have made no appro- ate to the following bills : priation at all. You did not make any appro- A bill (H. R. No. 373) to place the name Mr. EDMUNDS. I move that the Senate priation in 1865, not a dollar to this fund, and of Mahala A. Straight upon the pension-roll proceed to consider Senate joint resolution the seamen did not suffer; at least if they did, of the United States;

No. 139, relating to the counting of electoral we did not hear of it.

A bill (H. R. No. 456) granting a pension votes. And yet it is suggested that if you do not to the minor children of Pleasant Stoops; Mr. SUMNER. I wish to remind my friend

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that to-niorrow at one o'clock has been set to reconsider the vote by which the bill was Mr. BECK. Will not the gentleman agree apart for the business of the District of Co- referred; and also move that the motion to to ex Wednesday next, when Mr. BINGIAM lumbia. reconsider be laid on the table.

and Mr. BROOKS will be here ? Mr. EDMUNDS. I cannot help that. We Mr. WASHBURN, of Indiana. I demand Mr. STEVENS, of Pennsylvania. I will will do the best we can. This is business of the yeas and nays on the latter motion. not fix any time now, because it might not suit the District of Columbia.

The SPEAKER. It cannot be brought back

my friends. The motion was agreed to. into the House by a motion to reconsider except

Mr. BECK. I desire it should not come up Mr. CONKLING. I move that the Senate by unanimous consent, as it is a bill which must before those gentlemen are here. adjourn.

have its first consideration in the Committee The bill was ordered to be printed, and The motion was agreed to; and the Senate

of the Whole on the state of the Union. recommitted to the committee. adjourned. Mr. HOOPER, of Massachusetts. I with

PRIVATE LAND CLAIMS IN CALIFORNIA. draw my motion.

The SPEAKER. The morning hour has HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

EXPORTERS OF RUM.

now commenced, and the House resumes the THURSDAY, July 2, 1868. Mr. HOOPER, of Massachusetts, from the

consideration of House bill No. 1206, to restore The House met at twelve o'clock, m. Prayer

same committee, also reported back House to certain parties their rights under the laws by the Chaplain, Rev. C. B. Boynton. joint resolution No. 318, to correct an act

and treaties of the United States, pending at The reading of yesterday's Journal was, by entitled "An act for the relief of certain ex- the expiration of the morning hour yesterday, unanimous consent, dispensed with. porters of rum,” with the recommendation that on which the gentleman from Maryland [Mr.

STONE] is entitled to the floor.
TAX ON INTEREST OF BONDS.
The resolution provides that the word "and,”

Mr. STONE. I yield to the chairman of Mr. HOOPER, of Massachusetts, from the where it occurs in said act after the word "

the Committee on Private Land Claims. Committee of Ways and Means, reported a port” and before the words “actually con

Mr. ORTH. When the morning hour exbill (H. R. No. 1350) to authorize internal tax tracted,” be changed into “or;' so the cor- pired yesterday I was opposing the adoption on the interest of bonds and other securities rected act shall read, "intended for export or

of the proviso to this bill offered by the gen. of the United States; which was read a first actually contracted for."

tleman from California, [Mr. Johnson.] I and second time.

The joint resolution was ordered to be will now say to that gentleman that if he will The bill and report were read in extenso, as engrossed and read a third time; and being offer his amendment as a substitute for the follows:

engrossed, it was accordingly read the third proviso now attached to the original bill I will A bill to authorize an internal tax on the interest time, and passed.

withdraw my opposition. of the bonds and other securities of the United Mr. HOOPER, of Massachusetts, moved to

Mr. JOHNSON. I will do so. I move to States. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representreconsider the vote by which the joint resolu

strike out all after the words “provided furatives of the United States of America in Congress assem

tion was passed; and also moved that the ther," in the substitute, as follows: bled, That from and after the passage of this act motion to reconsider be laid on the table.

That such confirmation shall not affect the rights there shall be levied, collected, and paid a tax of ten The latter motion was agreed to.

of third parties, but shall establish simply the title per cent. on the amount of interest hereafter due

of the claimant as between him and the United and payable on all the bonds and other securities

INTEREST ON THE PUBLIC DEBT.

States. of the United States. To secure the collection of

And to insert in lieu thereof the following: said tax, the amount of interest hereafter paid on Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I ask any bonds or other securities of the United States,

That all persons who, previous to the passage of consent to introduce a bill to equalize taxation bearing interest at six per cent., shall be at the rate

this act, have acquired any valid right or title to any of only five and four tenths per cent., and bearing

and reduce the interest on the public debt, for of the lands einbraced within the provisions of this interest at the rate of fivo per cent, shall be at the reference to the Committee of Ways and Means.

act under the preemption or homestead laws, or rate of only four and five tenths per cent.; and if

otherwise, shall be protected in their rights.

Mr. RANDALL. Let the bill be reported. bearing interest at the rate of three per cent.shall

That amendment will make the bill as it was be at the rate of only two and seven tenths per cent.

Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. I only

originally. per annum. No higher rate of interest than is herein desire to have it referred. prescribed shall be paid on any bond or other secur

Mr. ORTH. I am willing a vote should be

Mr. RANDALL. I want to hear what it is. ity of the United States now outstanding, or author

taken on the adoption of the amendment. ized to be issued, all conditions of any such bond or The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Indi

The amendment was agreed to. other security, and all laws and parts of laws to the ana [Mr. Orth] demands the regular order, contrary notwithstanding,

Mr. ORTH. Before resuming my seat I The Committee of Ways and Means, to whom was

which excludes all business but that which is referred the resolution of the House, instructing privileged. This, therefore, cannot be con

desire to say that this bill enables parties to go them to report without unnecessary delay a billlevy- sidered unless the gentleman withdraws his

into our own courts of justice and test their rights ing a tax of at least ten per cent. on the interest of demand.

under the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, and the bonds of the United States, to be collected by the Secretary of the Treasury and such of his subordin- Mr. ORTH. I am willing myself to do so,

also whatever rights they may have acquired ates as may be charged with the duty of paying the but there are gentlemen around me who insist

under the homestead and preëmption laws of interest on the bonded debt of the United States,

the United States. The bill was thoroughly have had the same under consideration, and beg

upon the regular order. leave to submit the following report and bill:

The SPEAKER. The bill is, then, not before

considered not only by the Committee on PriThe Committee of Ways and Means are opposed to the House.

vate Land Claims, but by the Committee on the proposition embraced in this resolution, and

the Public Lands, and is unanimously reported report the bill only in obedience to the positive order

DIVISION OF TEXAS.

to this House. of the House. In the argument made in the House

Mr. STEVENS, of Pennsylvania. The Comin favor of the resolution the English income tax law

Mr. STONE. In the absence of the gentlewas referred to and quoted. There is a law corre- mittee on Reconstruction, who have been some man from Pennsylvania, [Mr. WoodwARD, ] sponding to that law on the statute-books of this time considering the matter, have come to a who left the city yesterday, it has fallen to my country, imposing a tax on incomes of five per cent., while the English law is less than three per cent.

unanimous agreement to report back the bill lot to give a brief explanation to the House But your committee have been unable to find in the which was sent to them for perfection (H. R. of this bill, and in order to understand it statute-books of England or any other civilized No. 1203) to provide for the erection of not || thoroughly it is necessary to refer back to the country a law that could be regarded in any way as

more than two additional States out of the ter. a precedent for the bill the House have instructed

treaty made between the United States and the committee to report, which, if enacted, will be ritory of the State of Texas, and for other pur- Mexico. By that treaty the United States simply a law providing for the payment of a rate of poses, with one amendment.

agreed to respect all Mexican or Spanish titles, interest on the Government debt ten per cent. less

Mr. BOUTWELL. tban was agreed for, ten per cent. less than is stated in

Does the gentleman and for the purpose of ascertaining the public the bonds, and ten per cent, less than was pledged to expect to put it on its passage to-day? lands in the State of California they appointed be paid by the solemnenactment of Congress when the Mr. STEVENS, of Pennsylvania. That was a land commission, and required landholders, money was required to carry on a war which threat

the intention. ened the life of tho nation. The evil effects result

or those who held grants froin Spain or Mexico, ing to a nation, whether her nationalcredit is guarded Mr. BOUTWELL. I hope that will not be to exhibit to this land commission the eviand protected, or whether by legislation of the char- done. I did not expect it would be disposed | dence of their titles, and the commission was acter now proposed the confidence of all other civilized nations is forfeited, may not be felt or appreof to day.

to decide upon the validity of those titles ciated in time of peace; but the committee desire to

Mr. STEVENS, of Pennsylvania. What | granted to the parties on appeal, first to the call attention to the consequences that would follow day would suit the gentleman better? If the district court, and then to the Supreme Court the passage of a bill of the character now submitted, in case we should ever hereafter havo occasion to use

gentleman will fix a day I am willing it should of the United States. The commission comour credit for the purpose of providing means either be done.

menced and continued its session, but by the to sustain ourselves at home or to defend ourselves Mr. BOUTWELL. I do not know about act only two years were allowed the parties to in any collision with a foreign Power.

the state of business before the House. Let The coinmittee repeat that in reporting the bill

present their claims and have them adjudithey, act in obedience to the positive directions of the bill be printed and recommitted.

cated upon. After a while the act was further the House, and contrary to their own best judgment. Mr. STEVENS, of Pennsylvania. I have extended for two years, making four years in They reserve to themselves their rights, as members of the House, to oppose in every possible way tho

received letters and telegrams from the con- all. That time has expired, and it has been adoption of a monsure which they regard as hostile vention. They are very anxious we should act found by examination that there are a variety to the public interest and injurious to the national upon the bill so that they may act. I will con- of claimants in California who claim titles character.

sent, however, to have it printed and recom- under the Mexican and Spanish Governments, Mr. HOOPER, of Massachusetts, moved that

mitted, and I will consult the gentleman when who, owing to the short time allowed by the the bill and report be referred to the Committee to call it up. of the Whole on the state of the Union, and

original act of 1851, have not yet had an ordered to be printed.

Mr. WILSON, of Iowa. Is this a subject opportunity to have their claims presented and The motion was agreed to.

upon which the committee can report at any | adjudicated upon. The sole object of this bill time?

is to extend the time one year longer. This Mr. HOOPER, of Massachusetts. I move The SPEAKER. It is.

is no new bill. It enunciates no new princi

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