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Mr. FARNSWORTH. I desire to say that, so far as the Departments generally are concerned, I concur in what the gentleman from Tennessee [Mr. MAYNARD) has just said. Probably numerically there is a larger force in the different Departments, with the exception of the Post Office Department, than is necessary. While the business of the other Departments has diminished since the close of the war the business of the Post Office Department has been largely increased, as every gentleman must know, by the reopening of mail service in the insurgent States, the appointment of additional postmasters, the keeping of accounts with their various offices, the establishment of new mail routes, &c. The force of clerks in that Department has not been increased in proportion to the increased labor thrown upon the Department, and is not at the present time sufficient for the performance of that labor. As regards the other Departments—the War, the Navy, the Treasury, the State Department, &c.--what the gentleman from Tennessee has said is undoubtedly true.
Mr. MAYNARD. I withdraw my amendment to the amendment.
The amendment of the Senate was nonconcurred in.
Strike out in line four hundred and ninety, after the words "sixty-four clerks of class two,"the words "four of the transferred from Third Auditor's office."
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendment was non-concurred in,
thirtyand insert "seven;" so as to read, clerks of class one.'
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendment was non-concurred in. Seventy-fourth amendment: Strike out in lincs four hundred and ninety-four and four hundred and ninety-fivo the words "including additional to two clerks of class three transferred to class four.
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendment was non-concurred in. Seventy-fifth amendment : Strike out in lines four hundred and ninety-five and four hundred and ninety-six the words "$191,900"? and insert in lieu thereof “$229,160;" so as to road "$229,160."
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendment was non-concurred in.
In line fifty-four strike out "six" and insert "eight;" so as to make the paragraph read as follows:
For salaries and expenses of collectors, assessors, assistant assessors, revenue agents, inspectors, and superintendents of exports and drawbacks, together with the expense of carrying into effect the various provisions of the several acts providing intornal revenuc, excepting items otherwise estimated for, $8,000,000.
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendment was non concurred in. Seventy-seventh amendment: In line five hundred and fifty-cight strike out one" and insert "two;" so that the paragraph will read as follows:
For detecting and bringing to trial and punishment persons guilty of violating the internal revenue laws or conniving at the same, in cases where such expenses are not otherwise provided for by law, $200,000.
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendment was non-concurred in. Seventy-e th amendment: In line five hundred and sixty-seven, strike out "ten” and insert "one hundred;" so that the paragraph will read as follows:
In the office of the Secretary of the Treasury and the several bureaus, including copying, labor, bindins, sculins ships' registers, tizenslating foreign languages, advertising, an extra clerk hire for preparing and collecting information to be laid before Congress, and for miscellaneous itoms, $100,000.
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendment was non- n-concurred in. Seventy-ninth amendment: After the word "dollars," in line five hundred and sixty-seven, add the following:
But tho Special Commissioner of the Revenue shall, under the direction of the Secretary of the Treasury, act as superintendent of the division in the office of said Secretary, created by the thirteenth section of the act approved July 20, 1866, entitled
An act to protect the revenue, and for other purposcs," and called the Bureau of Statistics; and the Secretary of the Treasury may appoint one division clerk at the same salary as the head of division in the office of the Commissioner of Internal Revenue, who shall act as deputy to the said Special Commissioner of tho Revenue in respect to said bureau, and exercise in his absence all power belonging to him as such superintendent, except the franking privilege, and the offico of director of the Bureau of Statistics is hereby abolished.
The Committee on Appropriations recommend concurrence, with an amendment adding the words “after the 1st of January, 1869.'
The amendment to the amendment was agreed to.
Mr. BLAINE. The committee agreed to report another amendment to the amendinent of the Senate. It has been omitted by mistake. It was to add near the beginning of the amendment, after the words " but the Special Commissioner of the Revenue shall,'' the words * after the 1st of January, 1869." I move that amendment.
The amendment of Mr. BLAINE was agreed to.
The Senate amendiuent, as amended, was concurred in.
For tomporary clerks in the Treasury Department, $140,000: Provideri, That the Secretary of the Treasury be, and he is hereby, authorized, in his discretion, to classify the clerks according to the character of their services.
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendment was non-concurred in.
Insert" private land clains and surrcys;" so tho paragraph will read:
General Land Office: For Commissioner of the General Land Office, recorder, chief clerk, three principal clerks of public Tapas, privato land claims, and surveys, three clerks of class four, twenty-three clerks of class three, forty clerks of class two, forty clerks of class one, draughtsman, assistant draughtsman, two messengers, three assistant messengers, two packers, seven laborers. and eight watchmen employed in his office, in all, $178,200.
The Committee on Appropriations recommend concurrence.
The amendment was concurred in. Eighty-second and eighty-third amendments: Strike out "twenty" and insert" forty;" and strike out "thirty-four" and insert "fifty-eight;" so the clause will rend as follows:
For compensation of additional clerks in the Gencral Land Ofice under the act of March 3, 1835: For one principal clerk as director, one clerk of class three, four clerks of class two, forty clerks of class one, and two laborers, $58,610.
The Committee on Appropriations recommend non-concurrence.
The amendments were severally non-concurred in.
On the recommendation of the Committee on Appropriations the committee non-concur. red in the following amendments from the eighty-fourth to the ninety-niuth, both inclusive:
Strike out "$2,500" and insert "$6,300;" so the paragraph will read:
Surveyors general and their clerks: For compensation of the surveyor general of Minnesota, $2,000, and the clerks in his otfice, $6,300.
Strike out "$1,000" and insert“ $0,300;" so it will read:
For surveyor general of Kansas, $2,000, and the clerks in his office, $6,300.
Strike out " $1,500' and insert “$11,000;" so it will read:
For surveyor general of California and Arizona, $3,000, and for clerks in his oflico, $11,000.
Insert "and two," and "and seventy-two cents:" so it will then read as follows:
For surveyor genora of Nevada, $2,502 72, and the clerks in his office, $1.000.
Strike out " $1,000" and insert " $6,300;" so it will then read as follows:
For surveyor general of Nebraska and Iowa, $2,000, and the clerks in his office, $6,300.
Strike out "three" and insert "four;" so it will read:
For surveyor general of Montana, $3,000, and for the clerks in his office, $1,000.
One hundredth amendment: Insert the following:
For services of the clerk of the district court of the northern district of Mississippi, as koeper of the records and files of the land office at Pontotoc, Mississippi, from June 4, 1866, to June 4, 1983, $500; and it is hereby made the duty of said clerk, on the passage of this act, to transfer the records and files aforesaid to the register of the land office at Jackson, Mississippi; and the nineteenth section of the act of Mirch 3, 1853, entitled "An act making appropriations for the civil and diplomatic expenses of the Governinent for the year ending the 30th of June, 1854," be, and the same is hereby, repealed.
The Committee on appropriations recommend concurrence.
The amendment was concurred in..
By unanimous consent the amendments one hundred and one to one hundred and fortythree, inclusive, were considered in gross, the Committee on Appropriations recommending non-concurrence.
One hundred and first amendment: Strike out "four" and insert" seven;" so as to read, seven clerks of ciass four;" also, strike out “$7,200" and insert "$12,600."
One hundred and second amendment : Insert: For four clerks of class three, $6,400. One hundred and third amendment: Strike out "six” and insert “eight;" 80 as to read: “Eight clerks of class one."
One hundred and fourth amendment: Strike out "$7.200" and insert " $9,600." One hundred and fifth amendment: Strike out "one" and insert "three;" so as to read: Three clerks of class four. One hundred and sixth amendment: Strike out"$1,800" and insert " $5,400.” One hundred and seventh amendment: Strike out "one" and insert "nine;" so as to read: Nine clerks of class three. One hundred and eighth amendment: Strike out "$1,600" and insert"$14,400." One hundred and ninth amendment: Strike out "twenty-six" and insert "forty;" so as to read: Forty clerks of class one. One hundred and tenth amendment: Strike out "$31,200" and insert “$48.000."
One hundred and eleventh and one hundred and twelfth amendments :
Strike out“ four” and insert "nineteen;" striko out " $6,400” and insert "$30,400 :" so as to read : For ninetecn cierks of class three, $30,400.
One hundred and thirteenth and one hundred and fourteenth amendments :
Strike out "seven" and insert" forty-two;" striko out "$9,800" and insert " $58,800;" so as to read : For forty-two clerks of class two, $38,800. One hundred and fifteenth amendment: Strike out "three" and insert "four;" strike out * $5,400" and insert "$7,200;" so as to read: For four clerks of class four, $7,200. One hundred and sixteenth amendment: Strike out "two" and insert "one;" strike out "$3,200" and insert “$1,600;" so as to read: For ove clerk of class three, $1,600.
One hundred and seventeenth amendment:
One hundred and eighteenth and one hun. dred and nineteenth amendments :
Strike out" four" and insert "fourteen;" strike out * $5,600" and insert "$19,600."
One hundred and twentieth and one hundred and twenty-first amendments :
Strike out"eight" and insert" twenty-four;" strike out "$9,600)” and insert "$28,800;" so an tu read: For twenty-four clerks of class one, $28,800.
One hundred and twenty-second to one hundred and twenty-nintb amendments, inclusive:
Strike out "one" and insert "two;" strike out $1,800" and insert"$3,600 :" strike out "one" and insert" two strike out $1,600" and insert "$3,200;" strike out two" and insert "four;" strike out
* $2.800” and insert "$5,600;' strike ont" foar" and insert "twenty-five;" strike out" $4,800" and insert
$30,000;" so that the paragraph will read as fula lows:
Office of the Surgeon General: For two clerks of class tour, $3,600; for two clerks
of class three, $3,200; for four clerks of class two, Now, sir, it is said that there is very great Mr. ROSS. Is this for past services, or for $5,600; for twenty-five clerks of class one, $30,000. necessity for this office. I never knew an services hereafter to be performed ?
One hundred and thirtieth to one hundred and instance in which a man wanted an office, when Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. For serthirty-sixth amendments, inclusive:
gentlemen could not devise reasons enough vices to be performed from the 1st day of Strike out “three" and insert "four;" strike out why the office should be established and could July (yesterday) until the 30th of June, 1869. “$5,000" and insert “$7,000;' strike out " four" and insert "two;" strike out "four" and ingert "five;"
not show that there was very great necessity for The proposition is simply to give him $3,500 strike out "$5,600" and insert *$7,000;" strike out
it. I believe the gentleman who holds this a year to carry on this office during the coming " three" and insert" five;' strike out "$3,600" and position, Mr. Bolles, is an extreme Radical fiscal year. My friend from Illinois (Mr. insert "$6,000;" so that the paragraph will read as follows:
and agrees with me in politics. He is an able FARNSWORTH) asks if we can ever get rid of Office of Chief Engineer:
lawyer and an honest man, and if we are to any of these officers. The Comınittee on ApFor four clerks of class four. $7.200; for four clerks have an officer of this kind, I should be very | propriations have cut off some hundred of them of class three, $6,400; for five clerks of class two,
glad to vote to have him receive the appoint- in this very bill, and they are still at the work. $7,000;" for five clerks of class one. $6,000.
ment. One hundred and thirty-seventh to one hun
But believing such an office not to be We propose where we find a good and necesdred and forty-third amendments, inclusive:
necessary, knowing that it was created for a sary officer to keep him, and where we find
specific purpose, and that it was stated in the one that is not necessary to get rid of him. Strike out "one" and insert "four;" strike out
debate that its continuance would not be asked Mr. FARNSWORTH. Does the gentleman *$1,800" and insert “$7,200:” strike out "four" and insert "cight;" striko out “$5,600” and insert for more than a year after the rebellion, I do from Massachusetts, [Mr. Butler, ) with the “$11.200;" strike out "seven" and insert "twenty; hope the House will retuse to concur in the gentleman from Ilinois, [Mr. WASHBURNE,] strike out "$8,400" and insert " $24,000;" strike out two laborers at $720 each. $1,440;" so that the par
amendment of the Senate, and that we will admit that this office is no longer legally in agraph will read as follows:
not at this time commence inaugurating new existence ? Office of Chief of Ordnance : and useless oflices.
Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. By no For four clerks of class four. $7,200; for one clerk Mr. FARNSWORTH. I would ask my of class three, $1,600; for eight clerks of class two, $11,200; for twenty clerks of class one, $24,000; one
colleague whether he thinks it possible to get [Here the hammer fell.] messenger, $1,000.
rid of an office after it has once been ingrafted Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I move The foregoing amendments, from one hun- on the Treasury?
to amend the amendment by striking out the dred and one to one hundred and forty-three, Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. That will last word. I yield assent to a great deal the inclusive, were non-concurred in, in accord- depend on the committee. I hope we shall || gentleman from Massachusetts | Mr. BUTLER] ance with the recommendation of the Com- retuse to concur in the amendment of the Sen. bas said in regard to this solicitor of the Navy; mittee on Appropriations. ate and exclude it from this bill.
but I cannot assent to the suggestion that he One hundred and forty-fourth amendment:
Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. It be- has said anything which should induce this
comes my duty once again to represent the Committee of the Whole to keep this item of Insert after the words "building occupied by Paymaster General" the words "corner of F and Fif- Committee on Appropriations in the Com- | appropriation in here. I object to this way of teenth stro
mittee of the Whole upon this bill. The Com- || perpetuating officers without law. If the gen. The Committee on Appropriations recom- mittee on Appropriations, with singular una- tleman is in favor of this principle, why did mend concurrence.
nimity, voted to concur in this amendment. he strike out these thousands of clerks with The amendment was concurred in.
The Committee on Naval Affairs, both of this their little salaries of twelve, fifteen, or eighteen One hundred and forty-fifth amendment:
House and of the Senate, have unanimously | hundred dollars a year?
concurred in a resolution to continue this office Strike out "$12,000" and insert "$15,000;" so as to
Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. They were sead:
because of its necessity, and it is only because not wanted. For superintendent, watchmen, rent, fuel, lights, they have not had an opportunity to report, Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Neither and miscellaneous items, $15,000.
that that resolution has not been before you. is this man wanted. We never had such an The Committee on Appropriations recom- I hold in my hand a letter from the Secre- officer in the Navy Department before 1865, mend non-concurrence. tary of the Navy, who says:
and I undertake to say that this office was creThe amendment was non-concurred in. “The law which created the office, authorized it ated at that time merely to give this man a One hundred and forty-sixth amendment: during the rebellion and one year thereafter,' but
place. We had a solicitor in the War Departthe services of a solicitor, or proper law officer for Insert Solicitor and Naval Judge Advocate Gen- this Department, and I inaysay for the other Depart
ment, and we discarded him as being utterly eral, $3,500.
ments, also, are so obvious that I trust it may not be unnecessary, and there is no solicitor whatever The Committee on Appropriations recom
dispensed with. Important questions, some of them in the War Department to day: Now, I object mend concurrence.
requiring laborious legalinvestigation, are constantly 1. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I hope
arising, and if there be not a solicitor to give them to this thing, after the proposition is got through
attention, special counsel must be omployed, wbose the House, upon the ground that this was got the committee will not concur in that amend.
fees in the aggregate would exceed the salary of the through the House in 1865; I object to coming
solicitor." ment. It is a departure from the rule which the committee has acted on in every other
I hold in my hand a letter from the Secre.
in at this time and continuing this officer a year tary of War who says:
longer in this way. If we are to have a solicase, and I desire for a moment or two to call
"I concur with the Secretary of the Navy in the
citor of the Navy Department, then let the Comattention to the facts. On the 2d of March, opinion that the discontinuance of the office of Soli
mittee on Naval Affairs, who my colleague on 1805, we passed an act authorizing the Presi- citor and Naval Judge Advocate General, would be the Committee of Appropriations [Mr. BUTLER, dent to appoint, hy and with the advice and prejudicial to the interests of the public and of the
of Massachusetts] says recommends this matnaval service." consent of the Senate, for service during the rebellion and one year afterward, an officer in
I hold in my hand a letter from General
ter, bring in a bill to create the office and to
define the duties of the office and fix the salary; the Navy Department to be called the Solicitor mittee, (Mr. Washburne of Illinois,] in which Grant, addressed to my colleague on the com
and not let them call upon us every time Conand Naval Judge Advocate General, at an an
gress meets here to make an appropriation for nual salary of $3,500. This was passed before
the compensation of this man. Mr. Rice, of
"General Bolles is brother-in-law of General Dix, the close of the rebellion, on the 2d of March, ourable minister to France. He is a gentleman whom
Massachusetts, who was then chairman of the 1865, for the purpose of continuing the office I can vouch for.
Committee on Naval Affairs of this House, and for one year. It expired one year after the
"As to the matter of business he wishes to speak
who engineered the proposition through the close of the rebellion. At the last Congress
about I can say, that in my opinion, the office which
House at that time, made some remarks which we continued this oflice by making an appro- the office of Judge Advocate General in the Army." I ask my colleague on the Committee of Appropriation of $3,500 for the salary of the solicitor. Now, sir, we have this state of facts: every priations [Mr. Butler, of Massachusetts) to When the Committee on Appropriations came gentleman knowing this office concurs in the listen to as I read them. Mr. Rice then said: to consider the matter this session they found necessity for the office; every gentleman con- "It will require a year to finish the business which that there was no such office; that it had curs in the ability, propriety of conduct, and will have accrued in the Department. We desiro expired by its own limitation, and they very || legal attainments of the one who holds the
that he shall continue no longer than his services are properly refused to make an appropriation. oflice. I am only sorry that my colleague on The bill went to the Senate, and the Senate the Committee on Appropriations (Mr. WASH
In the same debate the gentleman from Ohio pnt in this amendment to pay a man whose BURNE, of Illinois,] has seen proper to intro- .[Mr. SPALDING) said: office has expired for another fiscal year, the duce this officer to the House as a good Rad
“When this subject first came before the Commityear ending June 30, 1869. Now, sir, I hope ical, because I am afraid that was a bid on his teo on Naval Affairs. I was opposed to it in toto On
consultation with the Secretary of the Navy I found the committee will not depart from the rule part to catch some Democratic votes against that he were compelled to pay out four times the which it has adhered to in all these cases. him. He is a brother-in-law of General Dix. amount to attorneys; and I was willing to agree to
it if the office was made temporary. It is only to Where we found that clerks had been appointed | And while I have no doubt he is
continue during the rebellion and ono year afterto continue one year after the rebellion, we Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Was not ward, and to pay the oflicer $3,500, instead of attorrefused to make appropriations for the reason that a bid to catch votes for him ?
neys four times that amount.” that there were no such officers to be paid ; Mr. BUTLER, of Massachusetts. It is a Mr. SPALDING. I ascertain now that it and I object to continuing an office for which little antidote to a great deal of poison at- will cost four times as much as the salary of there is no law, and for which I contend there | tempted to be put in this case.
There are this officer to employ attorneys. is no necessity. I recollect very well when this over a thousand cases of court-martial in the Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Now, Mr. office was established, and I have the debate | Navy; and this gentleman is the only man in Chairman, I do not know what authority my here. It was put upon the ground that it was the Navy Department with legal attainments friend from Ohio [Mr. SPALDING] has for makonly required during the rebellion, and nobody to supply the same want that creates a neces. ing that statement. I do not know what duty asked for it for any longer period of time than sity for the Judge Advocate General of the this solicitor of the Navy Department has to one year after the rebellion. Army.
discharge. I do not know that he has any
duty that cannot be discharged as it was dis- Mr. FARNSWORTH. Certainly; there is One hundred and forty-eighth amendment : charged prior to March 2, 1865, by an intel- a law continuing that school. There is a law Insert under the same bead "four clerks of the first ligent and competent clerk of the Navy establishing a naval school, but the law limits class, $4,800. Department. I withdraw my amendment. this to one year after the rebellion. I ask the The Committee on Appropriations recom
Nir. TWICHELL. I renew the amendment. | gentleman whether the rebellion has not ex- mend non-concurrence. Mr. Chairman, it is well known that the Com- pired ?
The amendment was non-concurred in. mittee on Appropriations have struck out every Mr. TWICHELL. Not yet, so far as the One bundred and forty-ninth to one bundred amendment they could possibly strike out in importance of retaining this officer is con- and eighty-seventh amendment, inclusive. By this bill. This amendment they could not agree cerned.
unanimous consent the above amendments, to strike out; and I am very glad that they did Mr. TARNSWORTH. If that is so, if in which the Committee on Appropriations not. The Senate has adopted this amendment, || gentlemen are really of the opinion that the recommended non-concurrence, were considthe Committee on Appropriations have recom- rebellion is not yet over, I cannot hope to con- ered in gross and non-concurred in. mended concurrence, and I trust that the House vince them. For myself I will not vote to will concur. The Senate has inserted an appro
One hundred and eighty-eighth amendment: concur in the amendment of the Senate crepriation of $3,500 for the salary of this officer; ating this office. I withdraw my amendment
Strike out "fifth" and insert“ first;" so as to read,
"First Auditor of the Treasury Department." and by the adoption of this amendment we to the amendment. shall undoubtedly save to the Government ten The committee divided ; and there were
The Committee on Appropriations recom
mend concurrence. times the amount; I know the important duties ayes 30, noes 49; no quorum voting.
The amendment was concurred in. which this officer performs. The Secretary of The CHAIRMAN ordered tellers; and apthe Navy, as well as the Secretary of War, and pointed Mr. WASHBURNE of Illinois, and Mr.
One hundred and eighty-ninth amendment: the General of the Army, testify to the value and TWICHELL.
And revised and certified by the First Comptroller importance of his services; and if the gentle- The committee again divided ; and the tell.
according to law. man from Illinois has no confidence in any of ers reported--ayes 36, noes 52; no quorum The Committee on Appropriations recomthese officers it is time that he had confidence || voting.
mend concurrence. in somebody
The Clerk proceeded to call the roll, and the The amendment was concurred in. Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I desire || following members failed to answer to their to say that I bave a great deal of confidence
One hundred and ninetieth amendment: names: in all these men; but neither the opinions of
Strike out "three" and insert "five;" so as to Messrs. Adams, Allison, Archer, James M. Ashley,
road," for purchase for library, laboratory, and muthe General of the Army nor the opinions of Baldwin.Barnes, Barnum, Beaman, Bingham, Boyor,
seum, $5,000. any other man can influence me to vote against
Bromwell, Brooks, Broomall, Buckland, Burr, Roder-
The Committee on Appropriations recom. my judgment in this House.
Covode, Dawes, Delano, Dodge, Eggleston, Eldridge, mend concurrence. Mr. TWICHELL. I withdraw the amend. Ferriss, Fields. Finney, Fox, Glossbrenner. Golladay,
The amendment was concurred in. ment to the amendinent.
Gravely, Haight, Hamilton, Harding, Hill, Holman, Mr. FARNSWORTH. I move to amend by
Hotchkiss, Asahel W. Hubbard. Richard D. Hubbard, One hundred and ninety-first amendment:
Humphrey. Johnson, Jones, Julian. Kelley, Kerr, striking out the last word. Mr. Chairman, I Knott, Lailin, Lincoln, McCullough, McKee, Morrell,
Strike out"five," so as to read," for purchase of new am opposed to this amendment of the Sen. Morrissey, Mungen, Newcomb, Niblack, Nicholson,
and valuable seeds and labor in putting them up. Nunn, Peters, Phelps, Pile, Pulsley, Pruyn, Robin.
$20,000.” ate; and I would oppose it, if for no other son, Roots, Schenck, Scofield, Selye, Stokes, Taffe, The Committee on Appropriations recomreason, because it is an attempt to revive by Thomas, John Trimble, Lawrence S. Trimble, Upson,
mend concurrence. legislation in an appropriation bill an office
Van Aernam, Robert T. Van Horn. Van Trump. Van
Wyck, Ward, Cadwalader C. Washburn, Thomas Wil- The amendment was concurred in. which is no longer in existence. If the Com. liams. John T. Wilson, Stephen F. Wilson, Wood, mittee on Appropriations of this House had Woodbridge, and Woodward.
One hundred and ninety-second amendment: reported this bill with such a provision in it, it The committee rose; and the Speaker having for grading, forming roads and walks, and improving
Strike out" five" and insert "twelve;" so as to rend, would have been, on a point of order, struck resumed the chair, Mr. Wilson, of lowa, re- the grounds, $12,000. ont as independent legislation providing for an ported that the Committee of the Whole on the The Committee on Appropriations recomoflice not in existence.
state of the Union, having under consideration mend non-concurrence. Mr. TWICHELL. Let me say to the gen. the amendments of the Senate to the legislative Mr. TROWBRIDGE. The reason for the tleman that the Secretary of the Navy, in || appropriation, and finding itself without a reduction of the amount appropriated for seeds making his estimates, has estimated for the
quorum, had caused the roll to be called and by the Senate from $20,000 to $5,000 is that salary of this very officer.
directed him to report the names of the they proposed to trausfer that appropriation Mr. FARNSWORTH. The Secretary of the absentees to the House.
and add a little more to the present appropriNavy does not create offices by the estimates which he makes. The Secretary of the Navy
ENROLLED BILLS AND RESOLUTIONS SIGNED.
ation upon which the vote is now to be taken,
namely, “For grading, forming roads and and the Secretary of the Treasury estimate for Mr. HOPKINS, from the Committee on
walks, and improving the grounds, $12,000." all conceivable allowances and officers that Enrolled Bills, reported that they had exam- The Senate struck out the greater part of the they have ever had.
ined and found truly enrolled bills and joint | other appropriation for seeds with the expectMr. STEVENS, of Pennsylvania. The gen- | resolutions of the following titles ; when the ation of transferring it to this. I therefore tleman will permit me to say that the rules pro- Speaker signed the same: vide that anything is in order which is necessary An act (H. R. No. 1129) for the relief of the hope the amendment of the Senate to increase
this appropriation will be concurred in. It to carry on any Department of the Government. widow and children of Colonel James A. Mul.
only increases the appropriation a very little. Mr. FARNSWORTH. Mr. Chairman, there | ligan, deceased;
It was with that view that I assented to the is no kind of doubt that any provision contem- An act (H. R. No. 411) for the relief of
reduction in the other case. Otherwise I would plating the creation of a new office would be Almira Wyeth; ruled out of order as independent legislation. An act (H. R. No. 775) granting a pension have opposed ita
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I think Therefore the House could not have put it in. to the widow and minor children of Erastus
the gentleman had better leave this to the com. The Senate, having different rules, has legis. || Kinsel ;
mittee of conference to adjust. lated a new office into this bill, an office which An act (H. R. No. 671) granting a pension Mr. TROWBRIDGE. I would prefer to has expired by limitation of time. We are to the widow of Henry Kaneday ;
concur in the amendment, constantly being asked by the Senate to con. An act (H. R. No. 523) granting a pension The amendment was concurred in. cur in this kind of independent legislation. || to James S. Todd; and As my colleague [Mr. WASHBURXE, of Illi- Joint resolution (H. R. No. 312) relative to
One hundred and ninety-third amendment: nois] has well said, if this officer is necessary the
Insert the following: pay of the Assistant Librarian of the House.
Department of Education: why not let the Committee on Naval Affairs LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATION BILL-AGAIN.
For compensation of Commissioner of Education, report a bill providing for the continuance of
$4,000; chief clerk, $2,000; one clerk of class four the office?
The SPEAKER. There are one hundred
$1,800, and one clerk of class three, $1,600.
Forstationery, blank books, freight, express charges Mr. TWICHELL. The gentleman will per- and eight members present, and the committee library, miscellaneous items, and extra clerical help, mit me to say that this subject has been before will resume its session.
$10.600, in all $20,000. the Committee on Naval Affairs, and they
The committee resumed its session.
The Committee on Appropriations recomunanimously recommend making this office Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I will say mend non-coneurrence. permanent.
to the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. Mr. SPALDING. I move concurrence. Mr. FARNSWORTH. Why, then, do they || TWICHELL] that there will be a vote in the Mr. RANDALL. This is a perfect waste. not report a bill to that effect? No such office House on this amendment.
Mr. SPALDING. I believe we ought to as this is now in existence. We propose now
Mr. TWICHELL. Very well.
concur in this. I yield the floor to my colleague. to provide for the pay of this officer, thereby
The amendment was non-concurred in, only Mr. GARFIELD. I am exceedingly sorry reviving the office and continuing it for another twenty-five members voting in favor thereof. to hear that the majority of the committee year.
One hundred and forty-seventh amendment:
have recommended non-concurrence in this Mr. TWICHELL. Let me ask the gentle- Strike out under the head of Navy Department"
amendment. The Department of Education man one question: is there any law providing "six" and insert" four;" so it will read, four clerks was established in Mareh, 1807. An exceedfor the continuance of the Naval School at of the fourth class, $7.200,"
ingly small amount of money was required to Annapolis? Do we not continue it by merely The Committee on Appropriations recom. carry it on. I am not as well informed as to making the regular appropriations from year mend concurrence.
what it has accomplished as I would be glad to year?
The amendment was coneurred in.
to be and as I presume some other gentlemen
here would also like to be, but I am perfectly Mr. GARFIELD. The gentleman is mis. cradle? Why not give it an opportunity to certain that no one appropriation of the amount taken. The original bill itself provided for manifest what it can do? of money provided for in the law creating that $13,500.
[Here the hammer fell.]. Department could be applied more advan. Mr. RANDALL. Well, $13,500; I accept Mr. RANDALL. I withdraw my amendtageously than for the purpose indicated in the correction, and here we have an appropri. ment to the amendment. that act. If any gentleman will look into it, ation asked for of $20,000.
Mr. POMEROY. I renew the amendment I believe he will find that no act involving no Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. Thirty to the amendment for the purpose of saying larger amount of money than was involved in thousand dollars.
ing what I can to aid the Committee on Approthat has met with a more favorable response Mr. RANDALL. No, $20,000. Now, let | priations to get rid of this excrescence that has throughout the country and throughout the us cut off this appropriation before this incu- grown up on this appropriation bill. There is civilized world than the act of the last Con- bus is fastened on the Government. The edu- not to-day, and there never has been,
any more gress establishing this Department. The Gov- cation of our children is best left to the States, reason for having a Department of Education ernment of Great Britain has undertaken within and I hope the amendment of the Senate will in the city of Washington, than there is for the last eight months to establish a department || not be concurred in.
having here a department of music, or a departof education. The moment suffrage was ex- Mr. DONNELLY. I oppose the amend- ment of architecture, or a department of relitended to eight hundred thousand Englishmen ment to the amendment. I think I may say gion, or anything else of the kind that might be that moment every thinking man in the king that, in the judgment of every gentleman of named. dom recognized the necessity of immediately this House, the interest of education is the The gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Donproviding for a more comprehensive and thor- most vital and the most precious involved in NELLY) says that we want an eye here. Well, ough system of education throughout Great our institutions, because our institutions rest sir, this is but a glass eye; it has no sight in Britain to make suffrage intelligent. A bill upon the theory that the people are intelligent it; it has no power; it cannot inspect the was introduced almost the first day of the pres- enough to judge of the questions submitted to system of education anywhere in the United ent session of Parliament to establish a depart- them for their suffrages, and upon that intelli- States. This Department cannot appoint a ment of education, making the head of it one gent judgment rests the very life of the nation. superintendent or a teacher anywhere, nor can of the advisers of the queen, to have a seat in This is an acknowledged fact.
it recommend a school-book and carry it into the cabinet as one of the regular ministers of Now, Mr. Chairman, we have in the last few any school. It cannot do anything, except to the Crown. That bill has been advocated by years extended to the people of the South sit here and draw the salaries of its employés some of the very best minds in England, and lately in a condition of slavery the right of | and compile such statistics as the State superalthough it is postponed for the present there | suffrage. We bave given that right of suffrage intendents of schools may see fit to send them can be no doubt of its ultimate adoption. to an immense number of men. We find, if without any requirement of law whatever. The
I hope it will not be considered improper if the reports that are published in the papers reason I want to strike this out now is that it I ask to have the following letter from John are to be believed, that a large number of those is only a year old. By the time it gets to be Bright read. It was addressed to the United men just snatched from a condition of slavery three years old it will want at least $100,000 a States consul at Sheffield, and was recently sent are now found voting upon the side of the very year; and how much it may want when it to me.
men who made rebellion against this Govern- comes to be of full age I do not know. Sir, The Clerk read as follows:
ment, and who made that rebellion to keep them the sooner we turn fron this system of legisROCHDALE, January 4, 1868. in slavery. If the reports in the newspapers lating upon everything that does not concern DEAR SIR: I write to thank you for sending me a
are true, in one State thirty thousand men have us, and devote our attention to those things copy of General GARFIELD's speech on education. I so voted. Mr. Chairman, if such be the fact, which we should attend to, the better for the have read it with much interest. The Department now to be constituted at Wash
this general suffrage will prove a calamity to people and the Government. This is a barnaington will doubtless prepare statistics which will the country:
cle that has grown on the ship of State, and infirm the world of what is doing in the United States Mr. RANDALL. Let me ask the gentle- the quicker we scrape it off the better for the on the education question: and the volume it will publish will have a great effect in this country, and,
man if this appropriation will educate a single Government and the people. indced, in all civilized countries.
one of those thirty thousand men to whom he Mr. PHELPS. It appears to me, Mr. ChairYou will
have observed the increased interest in | refers, in the State of Mississippi, I presume? man, that much of the opposition to this Deeducation shown in England since the extension of Mr. DONNELLY. I will come to that in partment of Education arises from a misthe suffrage. I hope some great and good measure may be passed at an early period. a moment.
understanding of the object and purposes for I'am, very truly, yours,
MOFARNSWORTH. It will not educate
which it was created, and in my judgment this JOHN BRIGHT. anybody.
misunderstanding is largely due to the title GEORGEJ. ABBOT, esq.. United States Consul, Sheffield.
which has, I think, unfortunately been given Mr. GARFIELD. I only introduce this will be a calamity, if the ignorance of these it. I think there ought never to have been an letter to show the importance attached to this men is to furnish a weapon and an instrument attempt to create what is called a “Departsubject by our friends in Europe. The statis- to endanger the life of this country. We can: ment" for the purposes contemplated by the act tics given in the preliminary report of the Com- not send suffrage to these people unless we of Congress which established this institution. missioner of Education are an earnest of what send education to accompany it. And how If the powers and duties which are devolved the Department may accomplish if continued can we do that? Our system of Government by law upon the Commissioner of Education, and vigorously administered.
does not permit us to undertake directly the at the head of the so-called Department of It will be remembered that General Grant, education of the people of the State of Missis. Education, had been devolved upon a clerk in in bis report as Secretary of War ad interim, || sippi. But if we have here in this capital of the Interior Department, or if even an officer recommended that that part of the Bureau of the country an institution which is, as it were, designated a Commissioner of Education had Freedmen's Affairs that referred to education an eye watching the condition of that whole been provided for, with the same powers and should not perish with the bureau, but should || country, in an educational point of view, we shall duties contemplated by the law heretofore be transferred to the Department of Education, || have reached a great end. We can thus stim- enacted, without any attempt to ereate a sepaand that a clause of the bill for the temporary | ulate education there. Nay, more, if educa- rate Department of the Government for that continuance of the bureau, which is now in the tion falls short in any of these States, that fact purpose, I think a great part of the objection bands of the President for his signature, carries is brought to our notice, and to the notice of the and the clamor to which this institution has out that recommendation. I ask gentlemen people of the entire country; and the public been subjected would have been obviated. what they are going to do with it-if they are opinion of the entire country is turned upon For my part I am not to be imposed upon by going to abandon all further efforts to aid the the section so defaulting. We ask here for an mere names. I have examined carefully and freedmen and the States of the South?
appropriation of $20,000. Compare that with repeatedly the act of Congress which estab[Here the hammer fell.]
some other items of appropriation in this bill. lished this Department, and I have not been Mr. RANDALL. I move to amend the We appropriate $40,000—double the amount able to find in it anything which is not in my amendment of the Senate by striking out here asked-for the purpose of publishing the judginent perfectly consistent with the Consti$20,000” and inserting “$10,000."
laws of Congress in the States and Territo- tution, and entirely in accordance with the There never was any occasion, whatever, in ries of the United States. We appropriate spirit and purposes of a Government such as my humble judginent, for the establishment of $42,000 for the Capitol grounds and for the this Department of Education ; and I am glad Botanical Gardens. "We appropriated $32,000 Mr. RANDALL. I would like to ask the to see that the Committee on Appropriations for the Congressional Library. It is true, these gentleman where this Department is located? recommend a non-concurrence in the extrava- are all valuable interests, interests that I would Mr. PHELPS. Where all the other Departgant appropriation of the Senate. There is no not oppose. But how do they compare for a ments are located-at the seat of Government, analogy between Great Britain and this coun- moment with this great, this gigantic interest where it ought to be located. try in connection with the manner and modes which will reach over this whole country; and Mr. RANDALL. In which one of the pubof education. England is a centralized Power, upon which I say the very life of this nation lic buildings? and the question belongs directly to Parlia. may depend. For where the destinies of this Mr. PHELPS. If the gentleman had taken ment, whereas in this country the system of country rest upon the suffrages of an ignorant the trouble to find out, he would not ask me education is exclusively controlled by the States and unenlightened horde, the safety of this such a question. and paid for within the States by the people, | country has ceased, and its institutions are in Mr. RANDALL: I have not been able to and there is no justification whatever for this daily peril.
find out. extravagant appropriation. We were told One more point, and I have done. This Mr. PHELPS. I presume the gentleman when this bureau was established that it would Department has been in operation but one year. has not taken the trouble to inquire. not cost over five or six thousand dollars. Why this attempt to massacre it in its very Mr. RANDALL. Yes, sir, I have ; and
XOXONNELLY. I say this state of things
because I have not been able to find out I make are now so niggardly we propose to strike out my own State-as some of my colleagues know, the inquiry now.
that appropriation of $20,000, and say there for they were parties concerned--the inauguMr. PHELPS. I cannot give the gentleman shall no longer be this bureau of education to ration of an improved school system was one any more of my time. It is easy enough for him foster a great interest of the country. I depre- of the first things that met them when the Gov. to ascertain where this Department is located. cate the policy which would strike down this ernment was reorganized atter the close of the With regard to the fruits accruing from this appropriation as I would deprecate the policy wa They are aware how much they lacked institution, it certainly could not be expected | which ties our hands against administering to of information respecting the state, not of the that in the short period of time which has the charities of the District of Columbia. higher schools, as the gentleman from Penn. elapsed since the inauguration of this Depart- Mr. STEVENS, of Pennsylvania. I was sylvania (Mr. STEVENS) says, but of the lower, ment it could have sprung to full fruition, somewhat taken by surprise this morning to the primary, the rudimentary schools; how Time must be consumed in breaking the ground find the friends of the different schemes have much they needed of the sort of information, and sowing the seed before the barvest can be agreed on a scheme with which to carry out to collect and disseminate which I understand reaped.
this Department of Education. It passed the to be one of the principal objects of this DeSome unfavorable intimations have been very night Congress adjourned last year. It partment of Education. It seems to me, in made as to the qualifications of the gentleman had been defeated by my casting vote; but my view of the condition of affairs in that whole who has been assigned to the control of this learned friend from Minnesota [Mr. DONNELLY] | region of country where the establishment of a Department. When this subject was hereto- came and asked me to withdraw it. I did so. system of common education to reach all classes fore under consideration in the House, I took I did not think it was to be taken up and passed || of society is a very important part of the prooccasion to call attention to the character of | immediately. It was passed, and a man about cesses that are now going on, we need especial. this gentleman, and to the high and unques- whom I could speak that wbich would place ly, if we ever did, some central agency by which tionable testimony with regard to liis qualitica- || him in a different position from that which he the experience and the results of systems in tions. I had read here an extract from Kent's now occupies, was appointed instantly to this other parts of the country, where common Commentaries, in which Chancellor Kent him place. When we came here not a dollar had education bas been more highly organized, self, a quarter of a century ago, spoke in terios been appropriated to pay him. They asked might be collected. We need it especially and of the highest commendation with respect to for a deficiency to pay him; this House refused | peculiarly, and in that point of view, leaving the educational labors of the gentleman who to pay a dollar for the purpose. They refused out every other aspect of the question, it seems has been assigned by the President to the con- to consent to an appropriation for the next to me that this very inconsiderable appropriatrol of this Department. From the time when fiscal year. I like to hear education eulogized. tion of $20,000 might be permitted to stand. he was thus favorably noticed by Chancellor I have sometimes taken pride in advocating Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, moved that Kent in the fourth edition of his Commentaries | it; but whoever thought of educating the peo- the committee rise. to the present moment, this gentleman has been ple at the top rung? Whoever, sir, thought The motion was agreed to. undeviatingly devoting himself to the cause of of educating ihe negroes to vote by teaching The committee accordingly rose ; and the education, both in this country and abroad. them Greek and Latin. My friends here are Speaker having resumed the chair, Mr. Wilson, [Here the hammer fell.]
preparing thein for freedom by giving them, of Iowa, reported that the Comunittee of the Mr. POMEROY. I withdraw the amend. not a common-school education, but by giving Whole on the state of the Union had, accordment to the amendment.
them a high scientific polish. Gentlemen, study | ing to order, had the special order under conMr. SPALDING. I move to amend the
your “Hildreth” and your arithmetic a little sideration, being the amendments of the Senamendment by striking out the last word. Mr. more, and say how long it took you to get edu- ate to the bill (6. R. No. 605) making approChairman, I believe this matter of encouraging cated. The services of the bureau of educa- | priations for the legislative, executive, and education is not a new thing with Congress. tion will be lost so far as the negroes are con- judicial expenses of the Government for the If I am correctly informed, it has been the habit cerned.
year ending the 30th of June, 1869, and of Congress from the earliest days of onr Gov- What is the bureau of education? It is the come to no resolution thereon. ernment to make liberal contributions for pro- gathering up of these facts by a worn-out man, Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I more moting education in the States and Territories. who embodies them in his report. We are told that when the House shall again resolve itself I know that in my own noble State we are the speech of the gentleman from Olio (Mr. into Committee of the Whole on the state greatly indebted to the munificence of Con. GARFIELD] on this subject was much applauded. of the Union upon the special order, all debate gress for our system of common-school educa- I have no doubt it was. It was a great speech, upon the pending paragraph and the amendtion. In every township one section of land | but wherein would that help the mass of the peo- ments thereto terminate in fifteen ininutes. was appropriated by Congress for school pur. | ple in teaching thein how to govern the nation? The motion was agreed to. poses; and the sale of those sections has given We have before the House two bills for com- Mr. WASHBURNE, of Nlinois. I move to us the greater portion of our common-school mon-school purposes. I thought we bad agreed that the rules be suspended, and that the House fund. I understand that at this moment the to that. One of them repeals this educational again resolve itself into Committee of the young State of Minnesota has a more prosper. bureau and substitutes common schools in this Whole on the state of the Union upon the ous common-school fund than any other State District in its place. These cominon schools amendments of the Senate to the bill (H. R. in the Union, not excepting old Connecticut; would be of some use. We now pay for a No. 605) making appropriations for the legis. and this has arisen from the liberal donations | portion of the education of the people of this lative, executive, and judicial expenses of the of public lands by Congress. All the new District. We pay a part and the people of the Government for the year ending the 30th of States have received donations of lands from District pay the balance. I ask seriously, do June, 1869. Congress for the promotion of common-school you advocate this measure merely for the pur- The motion was agreed to. education. But where will you go to ascertain pose of making a glorious speech on the sub- So the rules were suspended; and the House what has become of these donations, what they | ject of education, or do you make it for the accordingly resolved itself into the Committee have amounted to, what their situation is in purpose of fitting freeman for the ballot-box? of the Whole on the state of the Union, (Mr. each of the States ? I ask this question for the I think no one can doubt what the answer to Wilson, of Iowa, in the chair,) and resumed purpose of telling you that this is one of the that should be. I should be ashamed to vote the consideration of the amendments of the purposes for which this bureau of education against educating the people. I would track Senate to the bill (H. R. No. 605) making was created here in Washington, that the gen- them from the lowest inan or boy who could appropriations for the legislative, executive, tleman at the head of it might form a report be taught to read and write upward until the and judicial expenses of the Government for of the statistics of education in the different sciences would become germane to their con- the year ending the 30th of June, 1869. States of the Union, and lay that report from dition. But I would be ashamed to begin at Mr. FARNSWORTH. Mr. Chairman, I time to time before Congress, so that the peo- the top and establish a school like Oxford or have failed yet to hear any gentleman tell the ple of the States might be benefited by it. Cambridge, or like the bureau of education, committee what it is proposed to accomplish
I understand the gentleman now at the head as one of the samples of the efforts of this na- by having this Bureau of Education. The gen. of the bureau, who is one of the best instructors tion on the subject of education.
tleman from Minnesota (Mr. DONNELLY] talked in America, confessedly one who has greater [Here the hammer fell.]
about the danger to our institutions without it. experience and capability than any other man Mr. SPALDING. I withdraw the amend. How the safety of the country is to depend upon who can be named in connection with this ment to the amendment.
it he did not tell us. He spoke of the Colasubject-I understand he has been diligently Mr. MAYNARD. I move to amend by missioner of Agriculture and of the importance employed in gathering this information from | adding ove dollar. I do not know, if I were of that Department of the Government. He the States and Territories and is preparing to disposed, that I could say anything about the spoke of the importance of educating the freed. lay it before the people of the United States, I gentleman at the head of this Department that men so that they might vote intelligently. But so they may have the benefit of it. This is one is not known to the members of the House or how he proposes that the Commissioner of great object in creating the bureau of educa- to the country. It is proper, however, to say Education, located in some office in Washing. tion. I want to inquire what is Congress that what I do know of him is to his credit, ton--over a restaurant on the avenue, as I coming to? Gentleman say we must wash and that I know nothing to his discredit. I believe he holds his office now—is going to our hands of the charities in the District of rose, however, not for the purpose of general educate the freedmen in Mississippi and South Columbia, not a dollar to go for benevolent discussion, but for the purpose of suggesting a Carolina to vote he failed to tellus. purposes. And now when the Senate has thought in connection with the condition of Mr. DONNELLY. I simply desire to say appropriated a small pittance of $20,000, under education in that part of the country that we are that the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Mara law enacted twelve months ago, and a law now engaged in politically reconstructing. One | NARD) has fully answered that question in stat. which has found favor throughout the civilized ofthe measures going hand in hand with political || ing that this institution was necessary to col. world, where we are commended for it, we construction is educational reconstruction. In lect information called for by those freedmen.