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are unable to concur with you in thinking that their letter of 6th April last, extending under certain circumstances the limit of age for admission to open competitive examinations for situations in the Civil Service, has in the Office of any bearing upon the same question when the object is to introduce into the Surveyor the public service some particular nominee who is over the prescribed

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age.

TREASURY.

Question as to

how far extensions of age

should be

allowed for previous public service.

The "General

Regulations" of 8th April 1872, and the

Civil Service of India.

Their Lordships are not prepared to concur in any proposals whereby encouragement is given to the plan of introducing persons under the name of temporary assistants, and then proceeding to found upon the length of their service in that character a reason for nominating them to established situations.

Such a course appears to their Lordships to be quite inconsistent with the spirit of Orders in Council, which hold forth examinations as the rule of admission to the Civil Service, and prescribe a probation confined to six months afterwards.

I am, &c.

The Secretary, Civil Service Commission, to the Secretary, Treasury.
SIR,
26th June 1873.

WITH reference to clause 7 of the general regulations of the 8th
April 1872, a copy of which is herewith enclosed, respecting open
competitive examinations for clerkships, &c. in the Civil Service.

I am directed by the Civil Service Commissioners to acquaint you, for the information of the Lords Commissioners of Her Majesty's Treasury, that the Commissioners have received an application which raises the question whether employment in the Civil Service of India can be reckoned under the clause referred to.

As admission to the Civil Service of India is gained by the certificate of the Commissioners, it may perhaps appear that, according to the strict letter of the regulations, such service might be recognised. On the other hand, the Commissioners have no doubt that this was not intended, and they are apprehensive that considerable inconvenience to the Indian Government might result from holding out any inducements to young civilians to turn their eyes towards Government employment at home; and I am therefore to request that the Commissioners may be informed whether their Lordships are of opinion that the claim should or should not be admitted.

I have, &c.

The Secretary, Treasury, to the Civil Service Commissioners.
GENTLEMEN,
25th August 1873.

I AM commanded by the Lords Commissioners of Her Majesty's
Treasury to transmit to you, with reference to Mr. Walrond's letter of
the 26th June last, the enclosed copy of a letter which they have re-
ceived from the India Office with respect to the question whether
employment in the Civil Service of India can be reckoned under clause
7 of the General Regulations framed in pursuance of the Order in Council
of the 4th June 1870.

I am to state that their Lordships concur with the Secretary of State in thinking that no objection need be offered to extending section 7 of the regulations for open competition to employment in the Civil Service of India.

I am, &c.

*These regulations are printed at page 20.

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stanced who is over 20 years of age, an application to be admitted to the examination appointed to commence on the 11th proximo.

I have, &c.

The Surveyor-General, War Office, to the Secretary, Civil Service

SIR,

Commission.

30th January 1873.

I AM directed by Mr. Secretary Cardwell, to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 25th instant, received in this office on the 28th instant, and to acquaint you in reply that the extension of the limit of age for first appointments to the Supply and Transport Sub-Department provided by section 4 of the Secretary of State's instructions on the Royal Warrant of 13th March 1872, in favour of subalterns of the army, applies only to officers who are in the army, and does not apply in the case of officers who have left the service.

I have, &c.

The Secretary, Civil Service Commission, to the Surveyor-General,
War Office.

SIR,

25th March 1873.

WITH reference to the regulations transmitted with your letter of 11th March 1872, respecting the appointment of Sub-assistant Commissary in the Supply and Transport Sub-Department of the Control Department and to the correspondence noted in the margin.

I am directed by the Civil Service Commissioners to request that they may be informed whether it is Mr. Secretary Cardwell's wish that a candidate at the examination held on the 11th ultimo, who entered the Militia on the 15th May 1872, should be regarded as entitled to claim the benefit of the exception to the ordinary limits of age provided in favour of subalterns of the Militia.

If the answer should be in the affirmative, I am further to request that you will inform me whether it has been correctly stated to the Commissioners that Mr. - obtained a commission in the

on the date above mentioned, viz: 15th May 1872.

I have, &c.

Militia

The Surveyor-General, War Office, to the Secretary, Civil Service

SIR,

Commission.

27th March 1873.

IN reference to your letter of the 25th instant, I am directed by Mr. Secretary Cardwell to state for the information of the Civil Service Commissioners, that a candidate who held a commission in the Militia on the 15th May 1872, a date antecedent to that on which the recent examination for admission to the Supply and Transport Sub-Department commenced, viz: 11th February 1873, is entitled to claim the benefit of the exception to the ordinary limits of age provided in favour of subalterns of the Militia.

I am to add that the commission held by Mr. Militia bears date the 15th May 1872.

I am,

&c.

in the

CONTROL.

Question of exception to rule as to age.

WORKS, OFFICE OF.

Age of Office
Keepers.

WORKS, OFFICE OF.

The Secretary, Office of Works, to the Secretary, Civil Service
Commission.

SIR,

25th January 1873. THE situation of office-keeper to this department having recently become vacant, I am directed by the First Commissioner of Her Majesty's Works &c., to state, for the information of the Civil Service Commissioners that he considers that candidates for that post should be examined in reading, writing, and elementary arithmetic, and that the limits of age should be 30 and 50 years, excepting however the cases of persons who have served continuously in the public service, and who entered before the maximum limit had been reached.

I am to request that you will have the goodness to move the Civil Service Commissioners to acquaint the First Commissioner whether they concur in this view.

I am, &c.

The Secretary, Civil Service Commission, to the Secretary, Office of
Works, &c.

SIR,
30th January 1873.
I AM directed by the Civil Service Commissioners to acknowledge
the receipt of your letter of the 25th inst. relative to the situation of
office-keeper in your Department.

In reply I am to acquaint you for the information of the First Commissioner of Her Majesty's Works, &c., that subject to the approval of the Lords of the Treasury, which is necessary in similar cases, the Commissioners will consider the subjects of examination for the situation in question to be those specified in your letter viz: (1.) Reading; (2.) Writing; under which head the Commissioners understand a moderate proficiency in spelling easy words to be included; and (3.) Elementary Arithmetic.

With respect to the limits of age proposed by Mr. Ayrton, viz. 30 and 50, I am to state that, though the Commissioners can readily understand that for such a situation as that of office-keeper it would be undesirable to fix the maximum limit of age unduly low, they think that 50 is too high a limit, at least as regards persons entering the public service for the first time.

The case of persons who have already served in another capacity or department is however altogether different, and the Commissioners would be prepared to agree to the limits being fixed at 30 and 40 with an extension up to any age in favour of persons who entered the public service before they attained the age of 40, and have since served continuously. I have, &c.

The Secretary, Office of Works, to the Secretary, Civil Service
Commission.

SIR,

4th February 1873.

I AM directed by the First Commissioner of Her Majesty's Works, &c., to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 30th ult., and I am to inform you in reply, that the Board agree with the Civil Service Commissioners in the view taken by them that the limits of age should be fixed at 30 and 40, with an extension up to any age in favour of persons who entered the public service before they attained the age of 40, and have since served continuously.

I am, &c.

APPENDIX IX.

ABSTRACT OF A RETURN PRESENTED TO PARLIAMENT IN AUGUST 1873.

WORKS, OFFICE OF.

Age of Office
Keepers.

WORKS, OFFICE OF.

The Secretary, Office of Works, to the Secretary, Civil Service
Commission.

SIR,

25th January 1873.

THE situation of office-keeper to this department having recently become vacant, I am directed by the First Commissioner of Her Majesty's Works &c., to state, for the information of the Civil Service Commissioners that he considers that candidates for that post should be examined in reading, writing, and elementary arithmetic, and that the limits of age should be 30 and 50 years, excepting however the cases of persons who have served continuously in the public service, and who entered before the maximum limit had been reached.

I am to request that you will have the goodness to move the Civil Service Commissioners to acquaint the First Commissioner whether they concur in this view.

I am, &c.

The Secretary, Civil Service Commission, to the Secretary, Office of
Works, &c.

30th January 1873.

SIR,
I AM directed by the Civil Service Commissioners to acknowledge
the receipt of your letter of the 25th inst. relative to the situation of
office-keeper in your Department.

In reply I am to acquaint you for the information of the First Commissioner of Her Majesty's Works, &c., that subject to the approval of the Lords of the Treasury, which is necessary in similar cases, the Commissioners will consider the subjects of examination for the situation in question to be those specified in your letter viz: (1.) Reading; (2.) Writing; under which head the Commissioners understand a moderate proficiency in spelling easy words to be included; and (3.) Elementary Arithmetic.

With respect to the limits of age proposed by Mr. Ayrton, viz. 30 and 50, I am to state that, though the Commissioners can readily understand that for such a situation as that of office-keeper it would be undesirable to fix the maximum limit of age unduly low, they think that 50 is too high a limit, at least as regards persons entering the public service for the first time.

The case of persons who have already served in another capacity or department is however altogether different, and the Commissioners would be prepared to agree to the limits being fixed at 30 and 40 with an extension up to any age in favour of persons who entered the public service before they attained the age of 40, and have since served continuously. I have, &c.

The Secretary, Office of Works, to the Secretary, Civil Service
Commission.

4th February 1873.

SIR,
I AM directed by the First Commissioner of Her Majesty's Works,
&c., to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 30th ult., and I am
to inform you in reply, that the Board agree with the Civil Service
Commissioners in the view taken by them that the limits of age should
be fixed at 30 and 40, with an extension up to any age in favour of
persons who entered the public service before they attained the age of 40,
and have since served continuously.

I am, &c.

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