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land, for Pennsylvania, for New York, or any cago is the western metropolis and is to-day || iron, her conl, and her oil, has made herself one other State exclusively; but we should stand here vying with the metropolis on the Atlantic coasi. of the richest States in this Union. ready to appropriate money for Nevada, for Cali- | Chicago is a metropolis worth defending. At Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. Except, if Tornia, for Oregon, or any other portion of the that place is stored at all times millions of grain, the gentleman will allow me, for her canals, which United States where an appropriation may be de- the product of the western States. That place is have swamped her with $40,000,000 of debt. manded by the best interests of the whole people. worth being defended; and these very guuboats Mr. INGERSOLL. Well, she is able to pay

Sir, take in my own district the product of one and other gunboats upon the Atlantic coast can be it. If she is not I will help her to do it. [Laughsingle article, which is recognized, at any rate, transferred to Chicago, Cleveland, Toledo, and ter.] by ihis Government as legitimate, if it is not by other places on the lakes which are of sufficient Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. She is, and those who are very great sticklers for moral re- importance to demand defense, I believe that I am glad of it, by reason of her iron, her coal, and form: the production of high wines. The pro- most of the gunboats built on the Mississippi her oil. "duction of high wines alone consumes in the city | river might be used to advantage on the lakes. Mr. INGERSOLL. What would Pennsylof Peoria from three to five million bushels of Mr. ARNOLD. For all purposes of harbor vania be to-day without the railroads and canals grain annually; and but for the fact that that defenses on the lakes those boals would be per- which she now has? Without these her mines of manufacture is carried on there, this corn might || fectly suitable. Many of them are suitable for wealth would lie hidden in her bosom. rol in the granaries of the farmer. We reduce the navigation of the lakes at any time, as those Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. Does the the bulk of the corn by putting it into high wines, familiar with them are well advised. I would | gentleman make the inquiry of me what she would and in that manner we can, to some extent, re- ask the gentleman from Missouri, (Mr. Blow,] be? duce the cost of transportation between Peoria who is conversant with the subject, if I am not Mr. INGERSOLL. I mean in an agricultural and New York. From the manufacture of that correct.

point of view. article alone, the United States Treasury has Mr. BLOW. I would remind the gentleman Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. I shall already since the internal revenue act has gone from the Pittsburg district, (Mr. MOORHEAD,] have to call for a division of the question. The into operation, reaped a revenue of about five that two of the finest vessels now floating were experience of Pennsylvania has shown her that million dollars; and whenever the present stock built on the Mississippi, and are now off Mobile; canals never can compete with railways. on hand, which has worried my friend from and that to one of them that great naval victory Mr. INGERSOLL. That is not ihe experiIllinois (Mr. WASHBURNE) so much, shall be con- achieved under Admiral Farragut is to be attrib- ence of New York. Nor is it the experience of sumed, ihe establishments in Peoria alone will uted. It was the Chickasaw, a two-lurreled Illinois. produce sufficient high wines to pay, at the rate monitor, which threw the shell which disabled Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. The gen. of two dollars per gallon, a tax of $10,000,000 the Tennessee.' Those two vessels went down tleman will allow me to state further that we had annually into the Treasury of this Government. the Mississippi, passed around into the Gulf, to give awny part of our canals to somebody who That is for only one district, and only one arti- anchored in front of the fort, ran past the fort, would build the balance. cle. And is it io be said that this Congress will and attacked the Tennessee, which surrendered Mr. INGERSOLL. I am not surprised at that. vote down the amendment of the gentleman from to the flag of our country. I would also state Pennsylvania is not essentially an agricultural the Chicago district, [Mr. Arnold,) when it is further that they were built six miles below the Slate, and they have not much to transport exshown thal $5,000,000, one half the amount that city of St. Louis, that they are sea-going vessels, cept iron and coal and petroleum. is paid into the Treasury annually by the single and of course adequate to the navigation of the Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. That city of Peoria, will build you a canal; and im- lakes, and, as I believe, to the defense and pro- rather contradicts the compliment which the genprove the navigation of the Illinois river from the lection of the ports upon the lakes.

tieman has paid to the wealth of my Stale. Mississippito Lake Michigan, where you can pass

Mr. ARNOLD. The Secretary of the Navy Mr. INGERSOLL. Not at all. I make the your gunboats, your transports, and your muni- states that all these vessels can be transported to exception in favor of your oil, of your iron, and iions of war, forever free? Why, sir, this is, upon the lakes by the enlargement of the Illinois and of your coal; and I only hope thai the source of the part of the State of Illinois, a grand offer to Michigan canel.

your oil may never fail, that your mines of iron the Government. This, sir, is but a paltry and

Mr. MOORHEAD. One word more. I do not will never be exhausted, and that you will go on niggardly sum in view of the enormous benefits desire to embarrass this bill, but the members of || prospering and to prosper until Pennsylvania has that are io result from the appropriation.

the House who were here when this matter was more money than the national debt amounts to Now, sir, I have said this much with regard to discussed a year ago will recollect very well that 10-day; and I hope, in addition, that Pennsylvania this proposed improvement merely in a commer- we had the testimony of Commodore Foot, and may ever be like the widow's cruse, never failing cial point of view, a point of view which looks to other gentlemen who knew all about this subject, to furnish the oil. (Laughter.] the promotion of the pecuniary welfare of the peo- stating explicitly that these river boats could not Mr.JOHNSON, of Pennsylvania. I would liko ple. In a military point of view it is, perhaps, of live through a storm on the lakes; that they were to inquire of the gentleman from Illinois whether equal importance; and I know it is of equal im- not intended for lake navigation, and could not be or not he is acquainted with the widow, or whether portance if we should become involved in a war used there. At that time I took the liberty of de- he knows anything about heroil jug! (Laughter.) with Great Britain. I have seen it stated that the nouncing this scheme as useless if it was meant Mr. COX. I rise lo a point of order. The genBritish Government has already ordered thirty as a military necessity to take gunboals from the tleman from Illinois is not bound to criminate gunbears to be built, in view of the troubles which river and put them on the lakes. I admit that himself. (Laughter.] are about to arise, or which, at least, are threaten- this is a great commercial project, and I have no Mr. INGERSOLL. I am obliged to my friend ing in the horizon between this country and Can- desire to oppose it; but I do not want it to be voted from Ohio, and I will avail myself of his point ada. It may not be true; but after the abrogation for here under false pretenses. There is no ob- of order. If there is anything that is detestable of our treaty with them in reference to the amount ject in having a canal for the purpose of bringing and worthy of condemnation, it is the miserable of naval force to be maintained on the lakes by | gunboats from the Mississippi river that could Slate prejudices that have been cultivated in this either party, Great Britain could and probably not live on the lakes and could not be used there.

country under the idea of State rights and State would put upon every lake a powerful fleet. Mr. ARNOLD. In reply to the gentleman | sovereignty; an idea which has led to this terrible

Now, build the Niagara ship-canal, and where from Pennsylvania, I will read the statement of rebellion. I want no more of it. I want to recare the gunboats to come from? You have got the Secretary of the Navy on this subject. He ognize every member on this floor as a Repreto build them unless you give us the Illinois im- says:

sentative of the people of the United States. I do provements. Give us that canal, and the gun

The United States have at this time one hundred naval not care whether he comes from the coal mines Coats are ready to be transferred from the Missisvessels on the Mississippi and its tributaries. Steamers of

of Pennsylvania or the factories of Lowell. I reiron will endure for years in fresh water, and the naval sippi to any of the lakes anywhere on that line vessels which the Government may place on these rivers

gard liim only as a Representative of the whole of communication. What are you going to do will be preserved. Should the projected water communi- people of the United States, having at heart their with the gunboats already floating upon the waters cation connecting the northern lakes with the Mississippi interests and their advancement. That is why! of the Mississippi, and which have achieved so

by an enlarged ship-canal be carried into effect, the Missis-
sippi squadron could be made available for the defense of

say here to-day that I am for New England. I much toward crushing out this rebellion? Are our vorihern frontier when circumstances require it. This

want to take New England by the hand when she you going to suffer them to rot? But those gun- squadron carries tour hundred and sixty-two guns and five says to Illinois “Stand by us,and we will stand boats will be of no earthly service upon the westthousand five hundred men."

by her; and all the powers this side of Pandemoern walers. What is to be done with them? Are That is the statement of the Secretary of the nium cannot make us consent to leave her "out they going to lie like lifeless hulks at the levee Navy upon this identical question and about these in the cold.” We will stand by the whole counand rot in the sun; or are you going to act with identical vessels.

try, as the Army and Navy have stood by the foresight, and wisdom, and make these appropri- Mr. INGERSOLL. Mr. Speaker, I had not whole country, ations not only for the Niagara ship-canal, but looked for any objection from Pennsylvania. Mr. DAWES. I wish to inquire of my friend also for the Illinois and Michigan canal, so that Pennsylvania can afford to be even prodigal just from Ilinois in what manner he proposes to manis these gunboats may be used not only on the Mis

I understand they have "struck ile" fest his allachment for the interests of New Engsissippi but upon the waters of the great lakes? (Laughter.] From that one source alone Penn

land. Mr. MOORHEAD. I desire to ask the gentle- || sylvania has been enriched nearly sixty-five or Mr. INGERSOLL. I propose to manifest my man from Illinois whether he thinks that those seventy million dollars, and has a source of wealth attachment to the interesis of New England by gunboals on the Mississippi river would answer that appears to be inexhaustible.

defending her whenever she is unjustly assailed. for the navigation of the lakes; whether they Mr. STEVENS. I would say to the gentle- propose to defend the interests of New England would stand a storm there, and, indeed, whether man that we lost more than that by the laking as I would defend those of lilinois: by iniposing they could be used there at all. off of the duty on railroad iron last year.

no burden on Massachusetts which I would not Mr. INGERSOLL. I think they could be Mr. INGERSOLL. Will the gentleman from impose on Illinois. used there, and I will tell the gentlemen how. 1|| Pennsylvania [Mr. Stevens] inform the House Mr. DAWES. I would like to inquire of my have no idea that there would be a raging storm what ihe profit of Pennsylvania was upon her friend whether he proposes to stand by New Eng. on the canal, and therefore I believe ihey could iron trade before the duty was taken off

land by surrendering all her industrial interests go as far as Chicago, at least. The gentleman I do not envy the prosperity of Pennsylvania, to the competition of the Old World. will probably agree with me in that. And Chi- but I believe it is true thai Pennsylvania, trom her Mr. INGERSOLL. No, sir; I do not.



Thirty-Eighth CONGRESS, 20 Session.


New SERIES.....No. 35.

Mr. DAWES. Then I trust my friend will I believe that the people of this country are in war, when our expenditures are so enormous, any reform his votes. (Laughter.]

favor of this appropriation. The constituents of || private company actually formed or that may be Mr. INGERSOLL. What one, sir?

every member here, those who are high-minded formed in the future, or why any friends of such Mr. DAWES. On the paper question. (Laugh- and honorable, will say, "Vote for both of these a company should come to Congress and ask for ter.)

appropriations for the good of the country; we a loan of the credit of the Government to build Mr. INGERSOLL. I will say to my friend have to support and maintain this Government; its works, whether railroad or canal ? from Massachusetts that in voting for the reduc- give us every means of doing so.The people My reason for supporting the amendment of tion of the duty on paper I have stood by the must pay the taxes, and must maintain the honor | the gentleman from New York (Mr.LITTLEJOHN] people of Massachusetts and against her incor- and credit of the country. How are they to do is that the work which it proposes is a measuro porations. I have voted, perhaps, against the in- that? They must do it by having increased stim- of defense, and, so far as ihis Congress is conierests of the gentleman, as I believe he is a man- ulus, by having additional means of transporta- || cerned, of defense alone. We find ourselves with ufacturer of paper, [laughter) or interested in it; tion from the great producing West to the con- one formidable war on hand, and we have been but I have voted for the interests of his constitu- sumers of the Atlantic States and the consumers threatened with war from another quarter. lis ents, and I propose to do so all the time.

of the Old World. Do this; do it to-day, and the signs have not yet disappeared. They are re. Mr. DA WES. If my friend does not under- country will again be proud of you, and of us, as newed almost with every steamer that crosses stand the interests of New England any better I hope they may ever have occasion to be. the Atlantic. If war should break out, we find a than his last remarks indicate, I hope that he Mr. LITTLEJOHN addressed the House. coast of three thousand miles in extent entirely will spare us any further defense of the interests [His remarks will be published in the Appendix.] || undefended. We must build and maintain a fleet of New England. [Laughter.] We can get along Mr. RANDALL, 'of Pennsylvanin, obtained on the lakes. The Mississippi fleet is not adapled better without his defense. the floor.

to the navigation of the lakes, even if it could be Mr. INGERSOLL. So far as my friend from Mr. LITTLEJOHN. It was my desire, un- transported thither. A sea-going fleet is not Massachusetts constitutes the people of New less the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. ARNOLD] || adapted to the navigation of the lakes. We must England, I will accept his suggestion; but so far desired to reply to me briefly, to move the pre- have on the lakes a fleet ample for the defense of as the people are concerned, I will not accept it. vious question on the amendment and let this the cities on their margin, and of their commerce. They are also my people.

question be determined. There are but thirty | That fleet must be a lake feet. As the gentleMr. DAWES. 'I want to say to my friend days of the session left,

man from New York has well said, build this that my constituents understand their interest a The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Penn- canal or aid private enterprise in building it, and great deal better than he does. sylvania is entitled to the floor.

the lakes are one sea. You have but an expendMr. INGERSOLL. I thought the gentleman Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. I do not iture for one fleet on them where otherwise--the was going to say a great deal better than their design to enter into a general discussion of the falls of Niagara intervening-you must have two Representative in Congress." [Laughter.] question of internal improvements, nor do I de- || fleets.

Mr. STROUSE. I admire the gentleman's sign to consider whether it is proper for this Gov- But, Mr. Speaker, there is no necessity, in the patriotism and his being opposed to having any ernment to make an expenditure of this amount present exigency of this war or of our foreign reportion of our Union left out in the cold. He of money for this purpose. I come to what I con- lations, for this Government to pledge its credit says that New England shall never be left out in sider the real point, and which has not been re- for the construction of canals between Lake Michithe cold. Sir, I am a friend of the industry of ferred to here, and that is, whether we are able to gan and the Mississippi, or for the improvement New England. I admire her industry, her en- expend this money now. I have at my home letters of the navigation of the Mississippi or any other ergy, and her prosperity, and she shall not be left telling me that officers of the Army have failed to river. These things must be done by private enout in the cold as long as I represent the tenth receive any pay since the 31st of August last, and | terprise; or, in due time, the Governinent may district of Pennsylvania, for we have coal enough yet gentlemen come here and ask us to advance come to the aid of private enterprise. So far as I in that district to warm her and to heat her for the money for the construction of this work at a am concerned, I would be willing at all times to years to come.

time when we are unable to fulfill our obligations concede that. But, with this Niagara ship-canal Mr. INGERSOLL. Well, I am very glad to and carry out our contracts. I am surprised at it. we will have ample means of defense in case of hear it, (laughter,] and I hope my friend from Sir, as my own State has been referred to here, a rupture of our peaceful relations with Great Pennsylvania [Mr. STROUSE) will unite with us I may be permitted to allude to our experience in Britain. We have in the mean time a navigable —the friends of progress and the friends of the this matter. I can tell gentlemen that we have been high way, ample for the purposes of commerce, people-against the monopolists of the country, swept into overwhelming debt by just such prop- between Buffalo and Chicago and all the cities on and provide the means of cheap transportation for ositions as this. Sir, you cannoi make water run the lakes. The Niagara ship-canal may never be his coal to my friend from Massachusetts (Mr. up a hill, and you cannot spend more money than used for the purposes of war. God grant that it Dawes) and his people.

you have without running into debt, and I want may not be. But in the mean time the people of Mr. Speaker, yesterday was the grandest day to guard against that.

the West will have what they ask for, an ample that ever dawned upon the American continent- I admire the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. AR- || highway for the purposes of traffic and commerce, that is to say, the grandest for the people and NOLD] for his special devotion to the interests of and for the improvement and prosperity of the for those Representatives who stood by the peo- his constituency, and I admire the gentleman from

great West, ple. And to-day may be made another grand New York (Mr. LITTLEJOHN) for not forgetting Mr. LITTLEJOHN. I move the previous day in the history of our country, by aiding Oswego, but my action must be governed by the question on my amendment. our national prosperity, in aiding the people experience of the past. I must aci, not as a Penn- Mr. ARNOLD. I ask the gentleman from against the monopolists of the country in giv- sylvanian, but as one having an eye to the finan- New York to withdraw the previous question, ing them a cheap' means of communication be- cial condition of the country. What is pro- Mr. LITTLEJOHN. I will if the gentleman tween the western States and the Atlantic sea- posed here? While the original bill only asks for will renew it. board; by voting this miserable little appropria- $6,000,000, we have here a rider to it calling for Mr. ARNOLD. I will renew it. I propose to tion, in order that we may have a canal around $5,000,000 more. I should be disposed to vote for occupy only a few minutes. the falls of Niagara, and be independent of Can- the rider in the hope of killing the bill; but in or- Mr. LITTLEJOHN. Then I withdraw it. ada and Great Britain. Let us be independent of der to be consistent, I prefer to vote against both Mr. ARNOLD. Idesire to say in reply to the all your reciprocity treaties. We have got the as improvident expenditures.

gentleman from New York that every argument wealth, at least the gentlemen who oppose us on Mr. JENCKES. The gentleman from New which he has presented in favor of a canal round some questions in this House will admit that if we York, [Mr. LITTLEJOHN,] who recently had the the falls of Niagara operates with still greater have not got the wealth we have the greenbacks. floor, stated that there were some here who, al- || force in behalf of the connection between Lake Let us make this appropriation to build this ship- though in favor of all these propositions, would Michigan and the Mississippi. These works are canal around the falls of Niagara, and show by yet be obliged to vote againsi the amendment of not rivals. They are of the same character. They works and deeds something of the American char- ihe gentleman from Illinois, (Mr. ARNOLD. I complete a great chain of water communication acter, by maintaining American independence. am one of those, although I am in favor of all between the Mississippi and the lakes. So faras Let us weld the East and the West together by these propositions. If it were a time of profound | its military importance is concerned, the Niagara means of this Illinois canal, by these mutual acts peace, whether the Treasury was full or empty, I ship-canal' will not enable a single gunboat to be of assistance which benefit alike all sections. Let I should vote to loan the credit of this Govern- || placed on the lakes, whereas the Illinois and us do this and the people will thank us. Railroad ment to improve all our great natural highways | Michigan canal would open the lakes to a huncorporations will howl, I know, because they for the purpose of accommodating traffic and | dred gunboats. As a military measure, the Niag must come in competition with canal-boats be

ara ship-canal is therefore insignificant compared tween Chicago and New York; but let them But it seems to me that in the debate on this with the other. The one interests two of the howl, and while the railroad corporations and the question the point on which the amendment of the smaller lakes, while the other interests all the railroad monopolists howl, the teeming millions | gentleman from New York rests has been de- lakes and the Mississippi itself. I will not detain that enrich this country, the teeming millions east parted from. We are not now legislating for in- | the House any further, but will renew the demand and west, the industrial men of all sections of the iernal improvements. We are not legislating, in for the previous question. country will rejoice, because the sun of their the spirit of this bill, for the purpose of promot: Mr. PRUYN. Mr. Speaker, what is the conprosperity is rising above the horizon, and ap- ing commerce, but for the purpose of national dition of the question? proaching the zenith, and that, too, by the aid of defense. And the question which must arise al The SPEAKER. At the last session of Con. iheir own Representatives in Congress.

the oulsct is this: why is it that, in this time of ll gress House bill No. 12 was pending in the Com


mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union. fleisch, Kasson, Kelley, Orlando Kellogg, Kernan, King, the negative-yeas 51, nays 95, not voting 36; as
That committee was discharged from its further Knox, Lazear, Le Blond, Littlejohn, Long, Longyear, Mar- follows:
consideration, and the bill came before the House.

vin, Mcludor, Samuel F. Miller, William N. Miller, Moor-
hend, Morrill, Daniel Morris, Amos Myers, Noble, Odell,

YEAS-Messrs. Ancona, Blow, James S. Brown, WIIThe gentleman from New York (Mr. Little

liam G. Brown, Cox, Cravens, Creswell, Dawson, Denison, Charles O'Neill; John O'Neill, Patterson, Pendleton, PomJOHN) moved an amendment in the nature of a

Eden, Eldridge, Fuck, Ganson, Grider, Ilale, Uall, Darda croy, Pruyli, Radford, Samuel J. Randall, Alexander II.

ing, larrington, Benjamin G. Qarris, Tolman, Philip Johnsubstitute to the entire bill, pending which the Rice, Edward H. Roslins, Schenck, Scott, Sloan, Sinishers,

8011, Kelley, Knapp, Lilzear, Le Blond, 1.ong, Willinn H. Spalding, John B. Steele, I Villinin G. Steele, Stevens, Siiles, gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Arnold) moved to

Miller, James R. Morris, Morrison, Ainos Myers, Noble, add to the substitute. The pending question is Swent, Thomas, Townsend, 'I'racy, Upson, Van Valken

Charics O'Neill, John O'Neill, Pendleton, Pike, Pruyn, burgli, Wadsworth, Ward, Willian B. Washburn, Web

Samus. J. Raudall, William 11. Randall, Robinsoi, Scofield, on the amendment of the substitute, on which the ster, Wiceler. Joseph W. White, Williams, Winfield, and

Scoil, William G. Steele,Sules, Thomas, Tracy, Vadsworth, previous question has been demanded.

NOT VOTING-Messrs. William J. Allen, Blair, Bliss,

Elihu B. Waslıburne, Webster, Joseph W. White, WiThe previous question was seconded, and the

liains, and Benjrudin Vood-51. Brooks, Freeman Clarke, Deming, Dumont, Griswold, Hermain question ordered.

NAYS--Messrs. James C. Allen, Alley, Allison, Ames, rick, Blooper, Hotchkiss, flutchins, William Jobinson, Law, Mr. FERNANDO WOOD. I would ask if Mallory, Marcy, McAllister, McDowell, McKinney, Mid

Arnold, Ashley, Baily, Augustus C. Baldwin, Jolin D. Balda

win, Baxicr, Beamai, Blaine, Boutwell, Boyd, Brandegee, that cuts off any further amendment? dleton, James R. Morris, Leonard Myers, Nelson, Orth, Per


Broomall, Chanler, Ambrose W. Clark, Cobb, Cole, The SPEAKER. It does not; the previous quesham, Perry, Pike, Rogers, Starr, Trayer, Voorlees, Wha

Thomas T. Davis, Dawes, Dixon, Donnelly, Driggs, Eckicy, ley, Chillon A. White, and Yeaman-31. tion is now confined exclusively io the amend

Edgerton, Eliot, English, Farnsworili, Frank, Gartield,

So the amendment to the amendment was dis- Gooch, Grimell, Griswold, Charles M. Ilarris, Derrick, ment of the gentleman from Illinois, (Mr. ARagreed to.

Ilighy, looper, Asaliel W. Hubbard, John H. Hubbard, NOLD,) and if the previous question is not again

Mulburd, Ingersoll, Jenckes, Julian, Kalbfleisch, Kirsson,

The question recurred upon agreeing to the ordered, the substitute, as well as the original | substitute proposed by Mr. Littlejohn.

Francis W. Kellogg, Orlandó Kellogg, Kuman, Knox, LILbill, will still be open to amendment.

Hejolin, Loan, Lougyear, Marvin, McBride, McClurg, MeMr. LITTLEJOHN. I ask unanimous con- Indoc, Samuel F. Miller, Morrill, Daniel Morris, Norton, The question recurred upon agreeing to the

sent of the House lo amend the second section by Odell, Patterson, Pomeroy, Price, Radford, Alexander ll. amendment of Mr. Arnold io the substitute pro- || striking out the words." Charles B. Stuart, of the

Rice, John II. Rice, Edward Il. Rollins, Ross, Schenck, posed by Mr. LITTLEJOHN.

Shannon, Sloan, Smithers, Spalding, John B. Sterie, Sie State of New York, civil engineer, and in case of The amendment of Mr. ARNOLD was to add to

vens, Strouse, Swart, Swcat, Townsend, Upson, Van Valthe death, or any disability, or refusal to act of keuburgh, Wiru, Il'illian D. Washburn, Wherler, Wilder, the substitute the following: said Stuart, then such other civil engineer as the

Wil-on, Windou, IV infield, Fernando Wood, Woodbridge, Sec. 16. And be it further enacted, That as a military

and Worthington--9.5. President shall dcem it expedient to appoint,' work, and to facilitate the defense of the northern frontier,

NOT VOTING-Messrs. William J. Allen, Anderson, and to enable gunboats and vessels-of-war to pass from the and inserting in lieu thereof the words "iwo civil

Blair, Bliss, Freeman Clarke, Clay, Coffrori, llenry Winter Mississippi lo Lake Michigan, and to promote the coinengineers;" so that the section will read:

Davis, Deming, Duunont, Hotchkiss, Hutchius, William merce between the different States and the United States Sec. 2. And be it further enacted, That the President

Jolmson, King, Liw, Mallory, Marcy, McAllister, Mcand foreign nations, llie President of the United States be, shall appoint a topograhical engineer, to be associated with Dowell, Mckinney, Middleton, Moorhead, Leonard Myers, and lie is hereby, fully rutliorized and empowered to deepeni two civilengineers, to make sucii preliminary examinations

Nelson, Orth, Perhiam, Perry, Rogers, James S. Rollins, and enlarge the Illinois and Michigan canal, supplying the and surveys, and from them shall determine and locate the

Smith, Starr, Thayer, Voorlees, Whaley, Chilton A. White, same with water from Lake Michigan, and to improve the route of said canal; and the said engineers shall make and

and Yeamani-36. navigation of the Ulinoix and Des Planes river in such man- file in the office or the secretary of War a survey, map, So the motion to lay on the table was not ner is to insure a safe and uninterrupted navigation be- and profile of said canal wlien this located, and before the

agreed to. tween Lake Michigan and the Mississippi river, at all times work thereon shall be commenced. during the season of navigation, for gunboats, steamboats,

Mr. HOLMAN moved that the House adjourn. naval and war vessels of the United States not drawing over

I do this at the request of several members. It

The motion was not agreed to. six feet of water, the plan of which shall be submilied to is due to Mr. Stuart to say that his name was

The question then recurred on seconding the and approved by the President of the United States. The placed in the bill without his knowledge, or con- demand for the previous question. President may, and lie is hereby authorized to, contract with the Suate of Illinois, or with any company incorposent, or desire.

The previous question was seconded.

Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. Would rated for that purpose, lo construct said works.

The main question was ordered, there being on Sec. 17. And be it further enacted, That to aid the State it be in order to move to insert ** League Island?"

a division-ayes eighty-eight, noes not counted. of Jilinois, or such company as may be incorporated for (Laughter.] that purpose, in the construction of said works, the sum of The SPEAKER. Not at this stage.

The question then recurred on the amendment $5,000,000, in bonds of the United States, payable twenty

of Mr. LITTLEJOHN to the substitute. years from their date, bearing interest at the rate of six per

Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. Then I

The amendment was agreed to. cent. per annum, to be made and issued in the usual manner, must object to any amendment.

The substitute as amended was agreed to. the interest and principal of which said bonds to be payable

Mr. LITTLEJOHN. Then I will move the out of any moneys to be hereafter appropriated by Congress,

The bill as amended and the preamble were amendment and have a vote of the House upon shall be delivered by the Treasurer of the United States tó

ordered to be engrossed for a third reading; and it. And I now call the previous question upon the State of Illinois, upon the following conditions, lo be

being engrossed, were accordingly read the third assented to by the Legislature of the State of Illinois, and the bill and the pending amendments.

time. which shall be einbraced in a contract between the United Mr. ELDRIDGE. I rise to a privileged quesStates and said State of Illinois, before the delivery of any

Mr. LITTLEJOHN demanded the previous tion. I move to reconsider the vote by which the of said bonds, to wit: First, that the said canal and rivers, whien improved, shall be and remain forever free from tolí amendment of the gentleman from Ilinois (Mr. || question on the passage of the bill.

The previous question was seconded, and the or charge by the vessels, guinboats, transports, troops, ma- ARNOLD] was rejected; and I move to lay that

main question ordered. terial of war, and other property of the United States. Sec- motion on the table. ond, the State of Illinois shall, by its Legislature, under

Mr. HOLMAN demanded the yeas and nays.

Mr. FARNSWORTH called for the yeas and take and contract that that State, either by itselt or through

The yeas und naye were ordered. sone company incorporated for that purpose, proceed withnays on the motion to lay the motion to recon

The question was taken; and it was decided in out delay to commence, and, within a reasonable time, sider on the table.

the affirmative-yeas 95, nays 51, not voting 36; complete, the said canal and river improvements in such a The yeas and nays were not ordered. way as to insure such navigation as hereinbelore meutioned

as follows: between Lake Michigan and the Mississippi river. On coin

The question was then taken upon laying the

YEAS-Messrs. James C. Allen, Alley, Allison, Ames, pliance with which conditions, and in execution of such

motion to reconsider on the table; and it was Arnold, Ashley, Baily, Augustus C. Baldsvin, Jolm D. Baldcontract between the United States and the State of Illinois, ll agreed to.

win, Baxter, Beaman, Blaine, Boutwell, Boyd, Brandegec, the Secretary of the Treasury is directed to issue and de- Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I move to Brooks, Broomall, Ambrose W. Clark, Cobb, Cole, Thomas Jiver said bonds in manner following, to wit: the amount

T. Davis, Dawes, Dixon, Donnelly, Driggs, Eckley, Edgerof $500,000 in bonds shall be delivered upon the concludlay the whole subject on the table.

ton, Eliot, English, Farnsworth, Frank, Garfield, Gonch,

Mr. PRUYN. 'I hope the gentleman from Il- Grinnell, Griswold, Charles M. Harris, ing of said contract with the State or Illinois; and when

rick, Higby, ever there shall have been expended upon said works the linois (Mr. WASHBURNE) and the gentleman from Hooper, Asaliel W. Hublard, John H. Hubbard, Hulburd, sum of $1,000,000, and the sanie shall be certified and sworn New York (Mr. LITTLEJOHN) will waive their

Ingersoll, Jenckes, Julian, Kalbfleisch, Kasson, Kelley, to by the chief engineer of' said works, an additional sum

Francis W. Kellogg, Orlando Kellogg, Kernan, Knox, Lillemotions and let this subject go over. of $500,000 in bonds, as aforesaid, shall be delivered 10 said

john, Longyear, Marvin, McBride, McClurg, Melndoe, Slate ; and so on for every million dollars expended upon

Mr. LITTLEJOHN. I cannot consent to that.

Samuel F. Miller, Morrill, Daniel Morris, Norton, Charles said works and certified and verified to the Secretary of the The question recurred upon' agreeing to the O'Neill, Patterson, Pomcroy, Price, Radford, Alexander Treasury, as aforesaid, the sum of $500,000 in bonds shall motion to lay the whole subject on the table.

H. Rice, John Il. Rice, Edward H. Rollins, Rose, Schenck, be issued and delivered until the whole amount of said

Shannon, Sloan, Southers, Spalding, John B. Steele. Sic

Mr. HOLMAN called for the yeas and nays. $5,000,000 shall have been delivered for the purposes of

yeng, Strouse, Stuart, Sweat, Townsend, Upson, Van Valniding in constructing said works as aforesaid.

The yeas and nays were ordered.

kenburgh, Ward, Williain B.Wasliburn, Whaley, Wheeler,

Mr. ĠRINNELL. I move that the House do Wilder, Wilson, Windnin, Winfield, Fernando Wood, Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, called for the

Woodbridge, and Worthington-95. now adjourn. yeas and nays upon agreeing to the amendinent

NAYS-Messrs. Ancona, James S. Brown, William G.

Mr. BROOKS. I would inquire what effect an to the amendment.

Brown, Chanler, Coffroth, Cravens, Creswell, Dawson, The yeas and nays were ordered. adjournment would have on this bill.

Denison, Eden, Eldridge, Finck, Ganson, Gríder, Hale, The SPEAKER. It will come up to-morrow

Hall, Harding, Barrington, Benjamin G. Harris, Holman, The question was then taken; and it was decided

Philip Johnson, Knapp, Lazear, Le Blond, Loan, l.ong, in the negative-yeas 49, nays 99, not voting 34; morning, immediately after reading the Journal.

William H. Miller, Juines R. Morris, Morrison, Amos

Mr. LÍTTLEJOHN. Is there no privileged as follows:

Myers, Noble, Odell, Join O'Neill, Pendleton, Pike, Pruyn, subject that will have precedence?

Samuel J. Raudall, William II. Randall, Robinson, Scofield, YEAS-Messrs. James C. Allen, Allison, Anderson, Ar

The SPEAKER. A report of a committee on Scott, Williain G. Sieele, Stiles, Thomas, Tracy, Wadsnold, Daily, Baxter, Blow, Boutwell, Boyd, Brandegec, Wil

worth, Elihu B. Washburne, Webster, Joseph W. White, liam G. Brown, Coffroth, llenry Winter Davis, Donnelly, conference is the only matter that will take prece

Williams, and Benjamin Wood-51. Eden, Farnsworth, Grinnell, Hale, Hall, Charles M. Harris, dence.

NOT VOTING-Messrs. William J. Allen, Anderson, Higby, Asaliel W. Hubbard, Ingersoll, Juliali, Francis W. Mr. LITTLEJOHN. I understand that there Blair, Bliss, Blow, Freeman Clarke, Clay, Cox, Henry Kelloss, Knapp, Loan, McBride, McClurg, Morrison, Nor

Winter Davis, Deming, Dumont, Hotchkiss, Hutchins, is a conference report to be made in the morning. con, Price, William H. Randall, John H. Rice, Robinson,

Willian Johnson, King, Law, Mallory, Marey, McAllisJaines S. Rollins, Ross, Scotield, Shannon, Sinith, Strouse,

I trust the friends of this measure will dispose of Stuart, Elihu B. Washburne, Wilder, Wilson, TVindom, l it now.

ter, McDowell, McKinney, Middleton, Moorhead, Leonard

Myers, Nelson, Orthi, Perham, Perry, Rogers, Jannes S. Benjamin Wood, Fernando Wood, and Woodbridge--49.

The question was then taken on the motion to Rollins, Sinith, Starr, Thayer, Voorhees, Chilon A. White, NAYS-Messrs. Alley, Ames, Ancona, Ashiley, Augustus | adjourn; and upon a division—ayes 40, noes 80

and Yeuman-35. C. Baldwin, John D. Baldwin, Beaman, Blaine, Broomall, James S. Brown, Chanler, Ambrose W. Clark. Clay, Cobb, it was not agreed to.

So the bill was passed. Cole, Cox, Cravens, Creswell, Thomas T. Davis, Dawes, The question recurred on the motion of Mr. Mr. LITTLEJOHN moved to reconsider the Dawson, Denisou, Dixon, Driggs, Eckley, Edgerton, Eldridge, Eliot, English, Finck, Frank, Ganson, Gartield, Gooch,

WASHBURNE, of Illinois, to lay the whole sub- vote just taken; and also moved that the motion Grider, Harding, Harrington, Benjamin G. Harris, Holman, ject on the table.

to reconsider be laid on the table. John H. Hubbard, Hulburd, Jenckes, Philip Johnson, Kalb- The question was taken; and it was decided in The latter molion was agreed to.


that State for the term of six years from March Mr. WILSON. If there is any objection to The SPEAKER. The next bill in order is the

4,1865; which were read, and ordered to be filed. the resolution, let it lie over. bill (H. R. No. 322) for the construction of the


Mr. HALE. I do not object. Illinois ship-canal, which was postponed till to- Mr. HOWARD presented five petitions of cit

Mr. WILSON. Let it go over, anyhow. day immediately after the reading of the Journal.

The VICE PRESIDENT. The resolution izens of Michigan, praying for a grant of land to Mr. ARNOLD. I move the following as a

will be laid over. aid in the construction of a railroad from Fort substitute, on which I demand the previous ques. || Wayne, Indiana, to Jonesville, Michigan, and


that the time for building the Amboy, Lansing, Mr. LANE, of Kansas. I submit this resoluThat as a military work, and to facilitate the defense of and Traverse Bay railroad may be extended; || tion, and ask for its present consideration: the northern frontier, and to enable gunboats and vessels- which were referred to the Committee on Public of-war in pass from the Mississippi to Lake Michigan, and

Resolred, That the Committee on Territories be instructed Lands. to promote the curuicrce between the different states and

to inquire as to the policy of organizing a territorial gaverndie Umled States and foreign nations, the President of the Mr. LANE, of Kansas, presented the petition ment for the couniry lving between Kansas and Texas, United Sule's be, and he is hereby, fully authorized and of the chiefs and counselors of the Wyandott

known as the Indian country, and to report ly bill or other

wise. empowered to deepen and enlarge the Illinois and Michi

tribe of Indians, praying to be relieved from the carl, supplying the sanc with water from Lake Mich

Mr. id:ll, and to improve the navigation of the Illinois and Des l'lanes rivers in such manner as to insure a safe and unin- authorities of Kansas for the two years between better lie over. terrupted navigation between Lake Michigau and the Migthe date of the patents and the organization of a

The VICEPRESIDENT. The resolution will sissippi river at all times during the season of navigation, for gimbals, steamboats, naval and war vessels of the State government over the Territory where they go over under the rules. Unind States not drawing over six feet of water, the plan reside; which was referred to the Committee on

REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. of which shall be subinilied to and approved by the Presi- Indian Affairs.

Mr. SHERMAN, from the Committee on Fident of the United States. The President may, and he is

BILLS INTRODUCED. hereby all thorized 10, contract with the State of Illinois, or

nance, to whom was referred a bill (S. No. 403) will illy company incorporated for that purpose, to con- Mr. TRUMBULL asked, and by unanimous to amend the act entilled “An act to encourage struct slid works.

consent obtained, leave to introduce a bill (S. No. immigration,” approved July 4, 1864, and the act St. And be it further enacted, That to aid the State of Illinois, or such company as may be incorporated for that 424) to facilitate the collection of certain debts

entitled "An act io regulate the carriage of paspurpose, in the construction of said works, the sum of due the United States; which was read twice by sengers in steamships and other vessels," ap$1,000,000 in bonds of the United States, payable twenty its title, referred to the Committee on the Judí. || proved March 3, 1855, and for other purposes, years 1roonil their date, bearing interest at the rate of six ciary, and ordered to be printed.

reported it with amendments. per cent. fler annun, to be made and issued in the usual

Mr. HOWARD asked, and by unanimous conDituner, due internal and principal of which said bonds to

Mr. CLARK, from the Committee on Claims, be filled out of my moneys to be hereanterappropriated sent obtained, leave to introduce a bill (S. No. to whom was referred the bill (H. R. No. 161) lay Congress, shall be delivered by the Treasurer of the 425) to revive for a certain time the provisions of for the relief of Josiah 0. Armes, reported it withUnited States in the sale of Illinois upon the following comicios, 10 bop alssented to by the Legislature of the State

the act of 1846 relative to suspended entries of out amendment, and submitted a report, which 01 Nilionis, in which shall be embraced in a contract be. public lands; which was read twice by its title, was ordered to be printed. tween the United States and said State of Illinois before referred to the Committee on Public Lands, and

Mr.POMEROY, from the Committee on Claims, the delivery of any of said bonds, 10 wit: First, that the ordered to be printed.

to whom was referred a bill (S. No. 70) to enable suill canalim rivers wlien improved shall be and remain forever tree liom toll or charge upon the vessels, gunboats,


the accounting officers of the Treasury to settle Transports, croups, material of war, and other property of

Mr. FOOT. I offer a concurrent resolution,

the claim of the State of Kansas, reported it withthe United States. Second, the State of Illinois shall, by

out amendment, and submitted a report, which its 1,rgi-lature, anderiake and contract that that State, and, presuming that there will be no objection was ordered to be printed. cities by itsell or through some company incorporated for from any quarter, I ask for ils present considera- Mr. CHANDLER, from the Committee on 11:11 purpose, shall proceed without delay to commence, tion. and willin a reasonable time complete, the said canal and

Commerce, to whom was referred a bill (S. No. river improvements in such a way as to insure sucli navi

The resolution was considered by unanimous

355) to amend an act to regulate the admeasuregation is hererbsrefore mentioned between Lake Michigan consent, and agreed to, as follows:

ment of tonnage of ships and vessels of the Uniaudine Mississippi river. Oli compliance with which con- Resolved by the Senate, (the House of Representatives divon, ud on vie execution of such contract between the

ted States, passed May 6, 1864, asked to be disconcurring,) That the Committee on Public Buildings and Cutest states and the State of Illinois, the Secretary of the Grounds of the Senate, conjointly with the Committee on

charged from its further consideration; which was Treitstry is direeted to issue and deliver said bonds in man- Public Buildings and Grounds of the House, be, and they agreed to. ner tillowing, 10 wit: the aliount of $500,000 in bonds are hereby, directed to inquire into the origin of the fire by Mr. HARLAN, from the Committee on Pubshall be delivered upon the concluding of said contract which the Smithsonian Institution building and the valuable with the State of Illinois ; and whenever there shall have

lic Lands, to whom was referred a bill (S. No. deposits therein were, on Tuesday, the 24th day of Janubeen expended 11pxon said works the sum of $1,000,000, and ary, in whole or in part destroyed; the approximate loss

295) making additional grantof lands to the State Ilie same shall be certified and sworn to by the clief engi- to the Government and to private persons; the means ne. of Minnesota, in alternate sections, to aid in the neer of said works, an additional sum of $500,000 in bonds,

cessary to preserve the remaining portions of said building construction of a railroad in said State, reported as atiesaid, shall be delivered to said State ; and so on for

and its contents from further injury; and such other facts every $1,000,000 expended upon said works and certified

it with amendments. in connection therewith as may be of public interest, and and veritied in the Secretary of the Treasury as itforesaid, to report by bill or otherwise.

Mr. DOOLITTLE, from the Committee on Ilie sum ol$300,000 in bonds shall be issued and delivered

Indian Affairs, to whom was referred a joint resounul the whole amount of said $5,000,000 shall have been

QUOTA OF RHODE ISLAND. dclivered for the purposes of aiding in constructing said

lution (S. R. No. 85) authorizing the Secretary

Mr. ANTHONY submitted the following resworks as aforesaid.

of the Treasury to issue certain bonds to the Secolution; which was considered by unanimous conPending the reading of the substitute,

retary of the Interior, for feeding the refugee Insent, and agreed to: Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, moved that

dians, reported it with amendments.

Resolved, That the Secretary of War be requested to the House adjourn. furnish to the Senate copies of any correspondence that

MESSAGE FROM TIL HOUSE. The motion was agreed to; and the House (at may have passed between officers of the Departinent and ten minutes before five o'clock p. m.,) adjourned. the authorities of Rhode Island relative to the quota of

A message from the House of Representatives, that State under the “ Act for enrolling and calling out

by Mr. McPHERSON, its Clerk, announced that the national forces," and the acts in amendment thereto; the House had passed a bill (H. R. No. 126) to IN SENATE.

also any reports and other papers in the Department relat- construct a ship.canal around the fulls of Niag-
ing to the subject.

THURSDAY, February 2, 1865.

Prayer by Rev. B. H. NADAL, D. D.

Mr. WILSON. I submit the following resoThe Journal of yesterday was read and approved. lution:

The message also announced that the Speaker

of the House of Representatives had signed the EXECUTIVE COMMUNICATIONS.

Resolved, that the Secretary of War be directed to communicate to the Senate the record of the proceedings of

enrolled joint resolution (H. R. No. 142) tenderThe VICE PRESIDENT laid before the Senthe court before whom Colonel North, a commissioner

ing the ihanks of Congress to Major General ate a letter from the Secretary of the Interior, from the State of New York in relation to the taking the Philip II. Sheridan and the officers and men untransmitting a communication from the Commis

votes of the soldiers from that State, was tried on charges der his command; and it was thereupon signed by sioner of Indian Affairs suggesting that an approof irregularity and improper conduci in reference thereto.

the Vice President. priation be made to enable his office to provide Mr. HALE. I do not interpose any objection

ORDER OF BUSINESS. for the usual distribution of medals to leading and

to the consideration of the resolution, but I think influential Indian chiefs; which was referred to

we ought to have some policy in regard to these Mr. SUMNER. I ask the Senate to take up the Committee on Indian Affairs.

matters. Years ago the Senate used to refuse in- the resolution calling on the President for inforThe VICE PRESIDENT also laid before the

variably to order these records before it. Subse- mation about peace commissioners which I offered Senate a letter from the Secretary of the Interior, || quently to that, in some cases, it has ordered them the day before yesterday, and to which the Sentransmilling a communication from the Commis

to be sent here. If you order onc, I do not well ator from Maryland (Mr. JOUNsOn) proposed an sioner of Indian Affairs representing the neces

see how you can refuse to order others. There amendment. I wish to have it acted on now. We sity that exists for an appropriation to pay for are some proceedings of courts-martial which, to ought to have the information at once.

Mr. TRUMBULL. The unfinished business supplies of goods purchased for certain Indians | my mind, are outrageous and enormous; but I had by him, the purchase having been made to meet

not thought of this mode of reaching them. I of yesterday was a joint resolution from the House the exigencies of the tribes occasioned by the shall not oppose this resolution, but I simply of Representatives relating to the canvassing of destruction of previous invoices of supplies on

want the Senate to understand what it is. We the votes for President and Vice President, and I board the steamer Welcome at St. Louis on the

are to constitute ourselves into a sort of court for suppose that, as unfinished business, it would be 15th of July last; which was referred to the Com

the correction of errors in the proceedings of first in order; it came up in the morning yestermittee on Indian Affairs.

courts-martial which are in constant session all day, and I should object to having it displaced.

over the United States. I have no doubt there is The VICE PRESIDENT. It would be the CREDENTIALS PRESENTED.

occasion for it; but it is contrary to the usual prac- first business in order to-day, unless the Senate Mr. NESMITH presented the credentials of || tice of the Government heretofore; and if we go continues its usual practice of being disorderly in Hon. GEORGE H. WILLIAMS, chosen by the Le- into it the Senate will, perhaps, be precluded from its business. gislature of the State of Oregon a Senator from ll attending to other duties.

Mr. TRUMBULL. It would come up after

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the morning business, unless superseded by some incumber us at the last of the session. I do not state of armed rebellion on the 8th day of Nooller measure?

think this bill in regard to a bridge across the vember, the day of the presidential election, I The VICE PRESIDENT. It would.

Ohio ought to be made a special order. It will am not prepared to assert. On the contrary, I Mr. TRUMBULL. I hope the Senator from give rise to debate. The Senator from Kentucky choose to leave that question open. I think it Massachuselts will not ask io take up anything can call it up at any time without making it a ought to be left open until the question as to which will interfere with that matter. It ought special order. I hope, therefore, that the Sen- whether or not the Senators who are now apply. to be settled, and settled at once.

ate will not make this bill a special order, as it ing for admission here from the State of LouisiMr. SUMNER. I do not think this resolution may interfere with important public measures. ana shall be admitted shall be brought before the of mine will take five minutes.

Mr. POWELL. If it interferes with the Sen- Senate. I do not like to have that question preMr. TRUMBULL. If it is a resolution of in- ator's appropriation bills I shall not urge it on judged by a recital in the preamble of this resoquiry, and nobody objects to it, and nothing is that day. I know the necessity of passing the lution. I am therefore opposed to the resolution to be said about it, of course I would have no ob- || appropriation bills, and I do not wish to antag. on both grounds. I think it inexpedient to pass jection to its being taken up. onize this measure with them.

any such resolution, and I am not prepared to asMr. SUMNER. It is simply a question be- Mr. SHERMAN. Put it off to some day next sert the truth of the recitals in the preamble. tween the Senator from Maryland and myself as week.

Mr. DOOLITTLE. Mr. President, I can see to the form of the proposition.

Mr. POWELL. Then I will move that it be very clearly that there is a great distinction beMr. TRUMBULL. Let me ask the Senator || postponed to and made the special order of the tween Congress exercising the power of legislafrom Massachuselis if he does not intend to dis- || day for Monday next, at one o'clock, if that will tion by providing in advance in what manner the cuss it. suit the Senator.

electoral votes of President and Vice President Mr. SUMNER. I do not.

The motion was not agreed to.

shall be given, and a law of Congress which, Mr. SHERMAN. I am inclined to think that

after the votes are said to have been given under

REPRESENTATION IN ELECTORAL COLLEGE. that resolution will give rise to discussion, because

existing laws, by ils retroactive effect declares there is an amendment proposed by the Senator Mr. TRUMBULL. I now insist on proceed that certain votes are null and void. The disfrom Maryland, which will probably lead to de- || ing with the unfinished business.

tinction is as wide as the world; it is as wide as bate.

The Senate, as in Committee of the Whole, re- the east is from the west. I concede that ConMr. SUMNER. The question between the sumed the consideration of the joint resolution | gress could pass a law, and I believe such a propSenator from Maryland and myself is simply one (H. R. No. 126) declaring certain Slates not en- osition was pending at the last session of Conof form, and my statement on that I can make in titled to representation in the Electoral College, gress, providing that certain States or certain peoless than a minute. I will not transcend a min- the pending question being on the amendment of ple in a State of insurrection should not have the ute, and will allow the Senator from Maryland | Mr. Ten Eyck to strike out the word “Louis- legal power to cast electoral votes for President or five times that.

iana" in the third line of the preamble to the for Vice President; but no such law was enacted. Mr. SHERMAN. All I desire is that I may resolution.

The laws as they existed were permitted to stand; be enabled at one o'clock to get the attention of Mr. HARRIS. It is proper, perhaps, Mr. Pres- and now, after it is said votes have been given, the Senate to one or two bills from the Committee ident, that I should say thul the question as to the for Congress to assume to declare that those votes on Finance.

power of Congress to legislate in relation to the are null and void, and shall not be counted, is Mr. TRUMBULL. I must insist on the order counting of votes for President and Vice Presi- | altogether a different thing; and the point which of business.

dent was not considered by the Committee on the was taken by my colleague when this question Mr. DOOLITTLE. If the Senator from Illi- Judiciary. The question there was as to the form was up yesterday I think is fatal in that view of nois will allow me to say a single word, there are of the resolution and as to the recitals in its pre

the case. olher Senators who feel as much interest in the amble. Since the discussion of this question in But, sir, I have very serious doubts whether subject alluded to as the Senator from Massachu- the committee, I have been led to doubt exceed- || Congress is clothed with any power over the subsells or the Senator from Maryland, and desire to ingly whether it is competent for Congress to ject of the counting of these electoral votes. The say something upon it. I propose to say some- legislate at all in reference to the counting of the Constitution prescribes what powers Congress thing myself.

votes. The Constitution authorizes Congress to shall have: Mr. TRUMBULL. Then it is manifest it will fix the time for choosing electors. It also em- “The Congress may determine the time of choosing the lead to debate, and the Senator from Massachu- | powers Congress to specify the time when those electors, and the day on which they shall give their votes; selts will not persist in it, I suppose. electors shall perform the functions of their office,

whích day shall be the same throughout the United States." The VICE PRESIDENT. Ifthere be no further when they shall vote; and, so far as I can find in In pursuance of that provision of the Constimorning business, the unfinished business of the perusing ihe Constitution, that is the extent of tution, Congress have passed an act on the submorning hour of yesterday will now be taken up, the power of Congress over the subject. It fixes "ject, in the following words being the joint resolution (H. R. No. 126) de- the time when the votes shall be counted, and it

Mr. JOHNSON. What is the date of the act? cluring ceriain States not entitled to representation declares that, in the presence of both Houses of

Mr. DOOLITTLE. January 23, 1845: in the Electoral College, the pending question be- | Congress, the Vice President shall open all the “ Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representattres ing on the amendment proposed by the Senator certificates returned-it is careful to specify that

of the United States of America in Congress assembled, 'That

the electors of President and Vice President shall be apfrom New Jersey, (Mr. Ten Eyck,) lo strike out he shall open them all-and the votes shall be

pointed in each State on the Tuesday next after the first the word “ Louisiana” in the preamble. counted.

Monday in the month of November of the year in which Mr. DOOLITTLE. Upon that question the I cannot find in the provisions of the Constitu- they are to be appointed : Prorided, That each State may honorable Senator from New York, (Mr. Harris,] tion any authority for Congress to pass a law (for || by law provide for the filling of any vacancy or vacancies

which may occur in its College of Electors when such colwhom I do not now see in his seat, was upon the this amounts to that) excluding any votes that

lege incets to give its electoral vote: And provided also, floor when the Senate went into executive session shall have been returned to the Vice President. When any State shall bave held an election for the purpose yesterday.

I do not see how it is possible. I am not pre- of choosing electors, and shall tail 10 make a choice on the The VICE PRESIDENT. That has no refer- || pared to say that in case the rebel States had sent

day aforesaid, then the electors may be appointed on a rubence to the order of business. votes here which would be controlling in the elec

sequent day in such manner as the State shall by law pro

vide," tion, that in such an extreme emergency as that BRIDGE ACROSS THE ONIO RIVER. Congress would not be called upon to do some

Here by this act of January 23, 1845, Congress Mr. POWELL. I move to postpone the pend-thing-what, I am not prepared to say; but in this

did exercise the power with which it is clothed ing and all prior orders for the purpose of taking case I am clearly of opinion that even though

under the Constitution of determining the time of up Senate Bill No. 392, to provide for building a Congress may possibly have the power, it is inchoosing the electors and the day on which they railway bridge across the Ohio. My object is expedient for us by legislation to declare that

shall give their votes, which day, by the Consti

tution, must be the same throughout the whole not lo urge jis present consideration, but to make these votes shall not be counted. I doubt the

United States. it the special order for to-morrow. It is a bill of power very much; bucof the inexpediency of ex. very great importance to the public generally, ercising any such power, if it exists, I am very

What is the provision of the Constitution on The VICE PRESIDENT. The Senator from

this subject? The provision as it now stands is clear.

contained in the twelfth article of the Amend. Kentucky moves to postpone all prior orders with I hope, therefore, that this resolution will not a view of taking up the bill indicated by him. be adopted. I believe there is no necessity for it;

ments to the Constitution, and is in these words: Mr. TRUMBULL. I hope that will not be and uniil an extreme necessity arises I am not in

“The electors shall meet in their respective States and

vote by ballot for President and Vice President, one of done. The Senator from Keniucky surely knows | favor of exercising any such power. Whether

whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same the importance of this resolution that we have these votes are counted or not, it is conceded the State with themselves: they shall name in their ballols the reporied from the Committee on the Judiciary. result will be the same. Why should we exer- person voted for as Presideat, and in distinct ballons the Let us dispose of that. It relates to a maller cise such an extreme power as this, one so doubt

person voted for as Vice President, and theysshall inake that is immediately upon us.

distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of ful, as it must be conceded to be, to declare in an

all persulis voted for as Viro President, and of the number Mr. POWELL. I only ask to take it up for act of the national Legislature that the voles of a of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certity, the purpose of making it the special order for certain number of States shall not be counted? and transmit sealed to the seat of the Government of the some future day. I do not wish to press its con- The power is nos to be found in the Constitution,

United States, directed to the President of the Senate.” sideration now. I am sure.

The Constitution provides for all that, for the Mr. TRUMBULL. I have no objection to that. But, sir, if the Senate shall be of opinion that giving of the votes, for the counting of the votes, The motion to take up the bill was agreed to. such a law as this is called for, then I am opposed the sealing up of the votes, and the transmission

Mr. POWELL. I now move that it be post- to the recitals in the preamble to this resolution. of the votes into the hands of the President of the poned to and made the special order of the day It seems to me that these recitals are not strictly Senate. Then what is to be done with them? It for to-morrow at one o'clock.

true. At any rate, I am not prepared to assert does not say that Congress shall have anything to Mr. SHERMAN. Before that motion is put that they are true. It is true that the States spe- do with them, that Congress shall say what votes I desire to say that there are one or two appro- cified did rebel; the first part of the recital is true; the President of the Senate shall count or shall not priation bills that I feel it my duty to press on but that the inhabitants of those States and the count, that Congress shall have any power to annul the attention of the Senate, so that they may not 'l local authorities of all of thosc States were in a any one of these votes that are sealed up and sent

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