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In the meantime my Lords will be happy to place in the hands of Her Majesty's Inspectors copies of your letter of 'the 28th ultimo and its enclosures.

I enclose a list of the training schools under inspection. These institutions sre some of the most likely either to furnish students for attending a central drawing school, or to avail themselves of the services of an attendant master.

I have the honor to be, &c.,
W.R. Deverell, Esq.

(Signed) R. R. W. Lingen. Department of Practical Art,

Marlborough House, Pall Mall.

Enclosure referred to in letter No.7.

List of TRAINING SCHOOLS under Inspection, at which Pupil-teachers who have successfully

coupleted the fourth year of their Apprenticeship may attend to be examined for Queen's Scholarships.

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Battersea (National Society's)

Rev. S. Clarke, Battersea.
Csermarthen (National Society's)

Rev. W. Reed, Caermarthen.
Chelsea St. Vark's, (National Society's) Rev. Derwent Coleridge, St. Mark's, Chelsea.
Cesta (Diocesan)

Rev. Arthur Rigg, Chester.
Chichester (Diocesan)

Rev. M. Parrington, Chichester.
Durian (Diocesan)

Rev. J. G. Cromwell, Durham.
Eseter (Doorsan)

Rev. Chancellor Harington, Exeter. Hanibersmith, St. Mary's, (Roman Ca- S.N. Stokes, Esq., Brook Green House, Hamtholie).

Kn Der Hall (for Workhouse Schools and Rev. F. Temple, Kneller Hall, Isleworth, Mid-

Schools connected with Government Es. dlesex.
Oxford (Diocesan)

Rev. A. R. Ashwell, Culham, Abingdon.
(Church of England)

Rev. V. W. Ryan, Highbury Park, London.
Saitley, near Birmingham, (Worcester Dio- Rev. W. Gover, Saltley, Birmingham.
Vinchester (Diocesan)

Rev. P. Jacob, Winchester,



Training Schools for Mistresses only. bishop's Stortford (Rochester Diocesan) Rev. J. Menet, Hockerill, Bishop's Stortford. Brighton (Chichester Diocesan)

Rev. H. Foster, 76 West Street, Brighton.
Derby (Lichfield Diocesan)

Rev. J. Latham, Little Eaton, Derby.
Gras's Inn Road (Home and Colonial J.S. Reynolds, Esq., Gray's Inn Road.

School Society's),
Norwich (Diocesan)

Rev. A. B. Power, Norwich.
Salisbury (Diocesan)

Rev. W. K. Hamilton, Salisbury.
Whitelands (National Society's)

Rev. Harry Baber, Whitelands House, Chel.
Warrington (Chester Diocesan)

Rev. R. Greenall, Stretton, near Warrington.
Training Schools for both Masters and Mistresses.
Borongh Road (British and Foreign School | Henry Dunn, Esq., Borough Road, London.

Cheltenham (Church of England)

Rev. C. H. Bromby, Cheltenham.
Edinburgh, Castle Hill Terrace (Established John Gordon, Esq., Edinburgh.

Edinburgh, Moray House (Free Church) James Fulton, Esg., Moray House, Edinburgh.
Glasgow, Dundas Vale (Established Church) J. Douglas, Esq., Dundas Vale, Glasgow.
Glasgow (Free Church)

David Stow, Esq., Normal School, Glasgow.
Westminster (Wesleyan)

Rev. J. Scott, Wesleyan Training School,

Horseferry Road, Westminster.
York and Ripon (Diocesan)

Rev. E. J. Randolph, Dunnington, York.



Circular letter to Her Majesty's Inspectors of Schools, relating to foregoing Correspondence, and enclosing copies of documents transmitted in No. 6.

Committee of Council on Education, Council Office,

Downing Street, 27 September 1852. I am directed to request your attention to the correspondence between this Department and the Board of Trade, on the subject of elementary drawing, which is printed at pp. 61-66 of the Minutes of 1850-1.

In continuation of that correspondence, my Lords have desired me to enclose copies of a Minute adopted by the Board of Trade, together with corresponding forms of application and inquiry.

The object of the Board of Trade in issuing these documents is further illustrated by the enclosed official pamphlet.

It is the wish of their Lordships of the Committee of Council on Education that you should use every opportunity which your official position may afford to encourage the formation of drawing schools, and the employment of the masters from them in common elementary day schools, pursuant to the intention of the Board of Trade.

You will notice that the development of instruction in elementary drawing is contemplated under two forms :

1. A local committee is supposed to be constituted for the formation of a drawing school at which students are to attend in classes. Of course nothing but drawing would be taught in such a school.

2. The managers of common elementary day schools within reach of the drawing school are supposed to put themselves in communication with its committee, in order to get the benefit of it for their own scholars. For instance they might subscribe so much in the name of their own schools, and thereby obtain the privilege of presenting so many of their own scholars as students in the drawing school; or they might obtain the attendance of the drawing master at their own school at a certain fixed charge.

The proposal now made still leaves the former offer open, whereby the masters of elementary schools under inspection, in towns where the Board of Trade has established branch schools of design, may attend the classes in those schools gratuitously, and may obtain the assistance of the board's local officers in organizing classes for drawing in their own schools, as well as free grants of apparatus for the same purpose.

My Lords would be happy to learn that in any part of your district you had succeeded in giving practical effect to one or more of these recommendations.

I have the honor to be, &c.

(Signed) R. R. W. LINGEN. Her Majesty's Inspector of Schools, &c.


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(No. 1.)

London, 23 December 1851. I Feel it to be my duty to direct attention to the imperfect manner in which attendance registers are kept in many schools, and the defective my in which consequently the average attendance is obtained.

It is impossible for the Inspector to verify the statements of the managers mless there be some prescribed form of school register adopted for that purpose.

I have the honor to be, &c.

(Signed) M. MITCHELL. The Secretary of the

Committee of Council on Education.

(No. 2.)
Committee of Council on Education,

Council Office, Downing Street,

31 December 1851. I HAVE the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your letter of the 23rd instant.

Her Majesty's Inspectors are required to note those schools in which the registers are either imperfect or imperfectly kept. The Committee of Council would consider continued neglect in this particular as a ground for ultimately withholding annual grants from the school in question.

I have the honor to be, &c.

(Signed) R. R. W. LINGEN. The Rev. M. Mitchell,

H. M. Inspector of Schools, &c.


(No. 1.)

Committee of Council on Education,

Council Office, Downing Street, REVEREND SIR,

11 June 1852. I HAVE the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your report on this school.

There is no objection to the apprenticeship of pupil-teachers in schools where industrial is combined with intellectual instruction ; but this is not the only feature, nor even the characteristic feature, of ragged schools. These institutions, by the offer of food and of gratuitous instruction, affect injuriously such schools as recognize the responsibility of parents to pay for the education of their children, and they tend in the same degree to weaken the sense of this responsibility in the labouring class. In the present state of society, these may be necessary evils, or even (in comparison with other and greater evils) benefits. It is, however, of extreme importance to maintain a distinction between those schools in which the children pay fees, and do not receive food, on the one hand, and those schools, on the other hand, which assume the scholars to be paupers. One way of making this distinction on the part of the Government is, to refuse to pay the stipends of pupil-teachers in schools of the latter class. Apprenticeships were sanctioned in some few instances of the kind, before the subject had been much considered; but, although my Lords are not prepared to say that they would absolutely decline to repeat the experiment, still they are by no means disposed to do so on a large scale; and they would require very cogent reasons to be stated in any particular case for a departure from the general rule. The position of the pupil-teacher is a public one, and my Lords think that it should be understood, as it is formally declared*, to be a prize for the children of independent parents who make sacrifices to educate them properly.

I have the honor to be, &c.

(Signed) R. R. W. LINGEN. The Rev. H. W. Bellairs,

H. M. Inspector of Schools, &c.

(No. 2.)

Philanthropic, Red Hill, SIR,

11 August 1852. I HAVE the honor to enclose to you a Memorial to the Committee of Privy Council on Education relative to the obtaining aid from Government grants to ragged schools, and to the conditions on which that aid may be most advantageously afforded ; and I would beg the favor of your laying the same before their Lordships at your early convenience.

The memorial emanates originally from a meeting of those interested in the prevention of crime and the reformation of juvenile offenders, held at Birmingham in December last. Its presentation has, however, been delayed, partly from the desire of ascertaining the sentiments of the friends of ragged schools in our larger towns and cities, and partly from the feeling that the recommendations of the Committee of the House of Commons on Destitute and Criminal Juveniles might render it unnecessary to trouble the Committee of Council on the subject. The Parliamentary investigation having been necessarily left imperfect, and the promoters of ragged schools in Liverpool, Hull, Bristol, &c., &c., being anxious that no further delay should take place, I have the honor at once to forward it to you, and to express my hope that your own favorable consideration will be given to the best means of extending the aid which is now afforded by different channels, to the innocent on the one hand, and the criminal on the other,-to that intermediate and truly pitiable class, which, while below the level of the one, has not yet sunk to that of the other, and should be, if possible, saved from falling into it.

I have the honor to be, &c.

(Signed) SYDNEY TURNER. One of the Honorary Secretaries to

the Preventative and Reformatory

School Committee. The Secretary of the

Committee of Council on Education, &c.

Enclosures in No. 2.

(Enclosure A.) MEMORIAL to the Committee of Privy Council on Education in behalf of

Ragged Schools or Free Day Schools for the Destitute. Your Lordships memorialists respectfully beg to represent that an increasingly large class of schools called the ragged schools or free day schools for the destitute, intended for those children who, hy reason of the více, neglect, or extreme poverty of their parents, are inadmissible to the

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* Vide “ Pupil-teacher Broadsheet,” page 67, as to certificates required for admission of a pupil-teacher to apprenticeship.

existing school establishments recognized by your Lordships, do not and cannot receive any fair proportion of the Parliamentary grant for public education, under the existing regulations, yet that for their maintenance in an effective condition they require it in a far higher degree. They cannot at present receive such aid, for the following reasons : 1. The neglected condition of the children requires very peculiar qualifi

cations in the master, and not only would it be impossible for many an excellent ragged school schoolmaster to go through the examination required by your Lordships for certificated teachers in ordinary schools, but, were he able to do so, such capability would by no means test his fitness for his peculiar duties, while other qualifications of a very different kind are indispensable. The masters therefore are not

aided. 2. The arrangements respecting pupil-teachers and stipendiary monitors

are inapplicable in ragged schools. Such arrangements are devised for the purpose of training teachers. It cannot be your Lordships desire to train teachers for the next generation from the most degraded children of this; and even were it desired to form teachers from this class of society, the want of early training, no less than the character of the instruction given in ragged schools, would render the children

trained in them unable to pass the examination which is required. 3. The industrial training given in ragged schools, which is a most

important part of their system, tends to form habits of industry rather than to teach a trade; and though its results have been found to be very beneficial, yet the fluctuating nature of such schools prevents that progress which your Lordships regulations require in the case of

ordinary schools. 4. The buildings for such schools are necessarily in poor parts of towns,

and, however well adapted they may be for the purpose, they will seldom be such as would receive a grant from the Committee of Coun

cil under existing regulations. 5. The schools themselves must necessarily be in such an educational

condition that they would hardly be considered entitled to receive grants of books and apparatus under your Lordships present regu.

lations. Ragged schools or free day schools for the destitute are therefore at present virtually excluded from aid.

They perform, however, a very important work, by acting on a class as yet uninfluenced by religious or general education; but such schools, to be of use, must be efficiently conducted. To be so, a much larger amount of support is required than suffices for the maintenance of ordinary day schools, inasmuch as no pence are paid by the children, and a larger staff of teachers, many of them industrial, is required.

The most strenuous efforts on the part of benevolent persons have hitherto failed to raise an adequate income for such schools, or to carry them on as they would desire.

Your memorialists would therefore respectfully but earnestly pray,
Ist. That masters who give satisfactory proof that they are fitted

to carry out the objects of ragged schools be aided by a grant
from your Lordships.
2d. That monitors articled for two or three years, and undergoing

an examination calculated to test their fitness for assisting in these schools, should receive, as in ordinary schools, a reasonable payment for their services, and that a greater number of them

should be allowed. 3d. That your Lordships conditions in respect of buildings, in

dustrial training, and apparatus should be so modified as to meet the circumstances of such schools.

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