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friendly but unsuccessful attempt to induce | railway enterprise in districts not touched these Indians to return to their reservations. by the Canada Pacific Railway. It is to be hoped that such arrangements

Your attention will be called to a measure may yet be made as may lead to their per- for better securing the independence of manent and peaceful settlement, and thus Parliament. relieve Canada of a source of uneasiness and Experience has shown that certain changes a heavy expenditure.

may advantageously be made in the departThe surveys of the Pacific Railway have mental arrangements existing at present. A been pressed to completion during the past Bill will be submitted to you for accomplish

A complete instrumental survey of ing this purpose without increasing the exthe route by the valleys of the North Thomp- penditure or the number of Departments. son and Lower Frazer Rivers has been made It is very desirable that there should be with a view to ascertain definitely whether uniform legislation in all the Provinces that route presents more favourable features respecting the traffic in spirituous liquors. than the routes already surveyed to Dean | Hitherto that tra:le has been regulated by Inlet and Bute Inlet respectively. It is be- Provincial laws, or laws existing before the lieved that the additional information now

Confederation of the Provinces, although obtained will enable my Government to de- there has been lately a conflict of authority termine which route is the most advanta. as to the jurisdiction of the local authorities. geous from Tête Jaune Cache to the sea. A Bill making the necessary provision will Full inforniation will be laid before you at an

be submitted for your consideration. early day of the season's work in this and

Various measures found necessary for the other directions,

amendment of existing laws will also be

submitted for your approval. I am happy to be able to congratulate you on the abundant harvest reaped in all quar

Gentlemen of the House of Commons : ters of the Dominion ; and I rejoice that un- T'he Estimates for the ensuing year will be der this and other influences there has been laid before you at an early day. They have some improvement in the Revenue returns, been prepared with an anxious desire to thus indicating, I trust that the commercial provide for all the branches of the public depression that has so long afflicted Canada, / service and the execution of pressing public in common with other countries, is passing works, within the limits of the expected away

revenue, without increasing the burden of My attention has been called to some im

taxation. perfections in the existing system of audi- I have directed that the Public Accounts ting the Public Accounts, and a measure of the past financial year shall be laid before providing for their more thorough and effect- you. ive supervision will be submitted for your MR. MACKENZIE moved consideration.

“ That His Excellency's Speech be taken

into consideration on Monday next.” The prospect of obtaining, at an early day,

Motion agreed to. greater facilities for reaching the North Western Territories and the Province of SELECT STANDING COMMITTEES. Manitoba is sure to attract a larger number

MR. MACKENZIE moved, of settlers every year, and, as much of the

" That Select Standing Committees of this prosperity of the Dominion depends on the

House, for the present Session, be appointed rapid settlement of the fertile lands in these for the following purposes :-1. On Privileges Territories, it is desirable and necessary to

and Elections; 2. un Expiring Laws; 3. On facilitate such settlement as inuch as pos

Railways, Canals, and Telegraph Lines; 4.

On Miscellaneous Private Bills; 5. On Standsible. In order to effect this, measures willing Orders; 6. On Printing ; 7. On Public be submitted for your consideration concern.

Accounts; 8. On Banking and Commerce ;

9. On Immigration and Colonization, which ing the registration of titles, the enactment said Committees shall severally he empow. of a Homestead Law, and the promotion of cred to examine and enquire into all such

matters and things as may be referred to the debates of each Session would be them by the House; and to report from time spread orer two volumes, and in a few to time their observations and opinions thereon ; with power to send for persons,

years he believed three would be

required for the purpose.
papers and records."
Motion agreed. 10.

House adjourned at
Twenty minutes to

Four o'clock.



MR. SPEAKER laid before the House the reporü of the Librarian of Parliament, on the state of the Library of Parliament.

Alonday, 11th Feb., 1878. The Speaker took the chair at Three o'clock.







MR. MACKENZIE said that
Monday next he would propose the

MR. SPEAKER laid before the appointment of a Committee regarding the supervision of the reporting of the IIouse-Account Current of the Ac debates. In the meantime, he thought countant of the House of Commons, of it might be perhaps well for hon. gen

the amount received and disbursed by tlemen to cunsider whether it was de

him for Contingencies, from the 1st sirable that the system of last year Juls, 1876, to the 1st July 1877 with should be continued; the one volome tho Auditor's Report. which contained the dehates of last Session being extremely voluminous and inconvenient, and whether it might be desirable or not to curtail

MR. ROSS (West Middlesex) moved, the reporting of the debates some

66 That a Select Committee be appointed, what so as to compress it within one reasonable volume, or to extend it

to supervise the official Report of the Debates

of this House during the present Session; indefinitely according to the character

with power tn report from time to time; said and extent of the debates. He merely Committee to be composed of Messrs. Ross asked the attention of the House to (Middlesex), Oliver, Dymond, Béchard, the subject in order that, when the Charlton, Tupper, Bowell, Desjardins and

Government asked for a Committee on
Monday,the House might come to some

MR. HOLTON said he did not object definite understanding on these points. to the motion on the ground that it

was not a right and proper motion, for, SIR JOHN A. MACDONALD said of course, it was the settled policy of he quite agreed with the hon. the House to continue these reports, member that it was extremely in. but they had strong complaints last convenient to publish the debates in year of the extraordinary delay which so large a volume. It was not a pocket- took place in the distribution of the bible by any means, which could be reports. The delay was so great that carried about anywhere; but he would the reports were really of no practical be very sorry to see the reporting of value, except as records of proceedings the debates curtailed, for, to be valu- for reference in after years. Но able, it should be as full as possible, hoped the Committee proposed by his perhaps not the ipsissima verba, but hon. friend, the member for West nevertheless so full as to give as Middlesex (Mr. Ross) would see that nearly as possible the whole sum arrangements were made this year to and substance of whatever each mem- secure a prompter distributior of the ber said. Otherwise, the value of the reports than took place last year. He reporting would be greatly dimin- was quite sure that such was the sense ished. As regarded the portability of the House at large, and he hoped of the volume, he thought some that expression would be given to that arrangement might be made by which sense by other members.

MR. MASSON said he had no com- sard had only been decided cn late in plaint to make about the Hansard; he | the Session, and the hasty selection of understood the difficulties the repor- the necessary staff had caused part of ters had to contend with, especially the translation to be confided to perwith regard to himself; but what he sons who were, perhaps, of inferior had to complain of was the translation ability. But it being understood that of the Hansard. The translation two the work would be given this year to or three years ago was something awful. the same officers who had charge of it That of last year was a great deal previously, he anticipated that the better; there were parts of it that translation for the present Session were excellent, but there were other would be such as would render justice parts that were really absurd. As to the speeches delivered by hon. an instance, he might mention that, members. when he spoke upon the question of

MR. ROSS (West Middlesex) said the prayers, upon which he took strong he was quite aware there was considergrounds, he said that the first Com able delay in having the bound volumes moner should say the prayers, but

of the Hansard issued at the close of the French translation of the Hansard last Session, and considerable delay in made him say to the House, devoir devrait être rempli par le pre- laid upon the desks.

que ce having the daily report of the speeches mier venu." If the matter were not so serious, he would be inclined to MR. HOLTON: I did not complain laugh, and he could not but think of the bound volumes, but of the daily that the matter should receive careful reports. We did not get them last cousideration. This was the record Session until August. for or against hon. members, and, in

MR. ROSS said this matter came begoing through some parts of the coun

fore the attention of the Committee try, among the French population this of the House last Sossion, and a new year, he had found the Hansard every- indenture was drawn up between the where; but it was natural that the House and the contractor for the HanFrench would not refer to the English sard, in which a clauso was inserted Hansard to see what their representa- to the effect that the contractor should tives had been doing, but would go to forfeit a penalty of $15 per day if his the French copy. And not only in the

share of the work was not completed Hansard, but in the Statutes, he had the in time. Of course last Session their same thing to complain of, and in the contractor had entered for the first translation of the Sessional Papers also there was ground for complaint. He had task, and the Committee were aware

time upon this delicate and difficult compared the French with the English there were many difficulties to be surcopy of the Hansard,and, in the former, mounted which he would not expect had found that the most absurd and damaging things appeared. He believed sion. He hoped they would be able

to encounter during the present Sesthe motion would meet with the approbation of most of the French difficulties, as well as from the in

this Session, by the removal of several speakers. They must have a Hansard creased skill and experience of their which expressed their ideas as they contractor, to comply

with were expressed in this House.


Committee MR. DESJARDINS said it would be in having the reports laid upon unjust to leave unanswered the re- the desks of hon. members marks which had just fallen from his least within twenty-four hours of the hon. friend the member for Terre- time at which the speech was debonne (Mr. Masson), and leave the livered. The matter was one which House under the impression that the had been surrounded by great diffiFrench translators had not done their culties from its inception, but he duty last year. They were bound to believed these difficulties were being remember that this work had been removed from year to year, and he executed under very difficult circum- hoped the result this year would be

The steps that had been more satisfactory than in previous taken to secure the translation of Han








MR. DECOSMOS said he trusted stated elsewhere, that, as far as his the Committee would take into own personal sentiments went, he was consideration the question whether | in favour of the repeal of the Insolit would not be much better to

much better to vency Law. Even if he did make the allow hon. gentlemen who desire to statement attributed to him, and he revise their speeches, to have a printed did not ihink that he did, he spoke of proof of their speeche instead of his own sentiments and not of the manuscript that was exceedingly difti- policy of the Government. cult to decipher.

MR. MACKENZIE said he did not MR. CARTWRIGHT said that to think it fair that any hon. gentleman his certain knowledge, in the Hansard should ask such 1 question without of last Session, two or three rather im- previous notice. portant statements were omitted. Ho

MR. MASSON said the hon. gentleknew that the reporters experienced

man need not have answered the quesgreat difficulty in following the pro- tion, but he did. He was sorry the ceedings, and particularly interjec hon. gentleman had made an appeal to tions; but occasionally statements were

him. He had only gone into the counmade from one side of the House to the other that, to a very large he had not made the statement, of

ty twice. As the hon. gentleman said extent, bore on the question at issue.

course he could believe that he did not Now, it must be understood that the Hansard, although very reasonably stood him to say that he was opposed

intend to make it, but he had undorfaithful as showing the general tenor of the speeches, and very often giving not be repealed at this Session, but pro

to the Insolvency Law; that it would the exact language, could not, as it bably at the next Session. He rememwas at present, be regarded as absolutely authentic record.

bered it particularly, because he had

spoken of it to his friends at the time. Motion agreed to.


must ask hon, members not to discuss .

in that House things said by others in

another place. MR. BARTHE moved for leave to

SIR JOHN A. MACDONALD said introduce a Bill to repeal the Insol- that, with regard to the remarks which vency Law now in force in the Domin- had fallen from his hon. friend the ion.

member for Lambton (Mr. Mackenzie) Mr. TUPPER said he would like, there was a motion before the Chair, in this connection, to enquire of the and it was quite germane to ask if cerhon. the First Minister if the report tain remarks in reference to this subwas authentic which stated that the ject had been made by the Minister of hon. the Minister of Inland Revenue, Inland Revenue at any time. Notice on the occasion of his appeal to his would be required of the question put constituents in Drummond and Artha- to the Premier, because, without it, he baska, had stated that it was the could not have the opportunity of en- . intention of the Government to repeal quiring of his colleague. This was a the Insolvency Law.

discussion on the first reading of a Bill, MR. LAURIER said he thought he and perhaps it was unusual to introduce could appeal to his hon. friend from a Bill at all, except the measure which Terrebonne that he never in. Masson) as to the fact was always introduced to assert th:

made such a statement. rights of Parliament, until the Speech He never stated that it was the from the Throne had been answered. intention of the Government to repeal But, the motion having been made, the the Insolvency Law or any other Act. discussion was quite in order. He had been sworn in the day before, MR. MASSON said it was painful to and it was only natural for him to see hon. members who had been known make no statement of that or any other always to speak the truth, holding kind as to the future policy of the different opinions on matters of fact. Government. He said there, as he had | It was painful to him to again refer to


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it, but, when he did so before, his hon. MR. DE ST. GEORGES: Mr. Speaker, friend wished to make him believe I have the honour to propose that a that his (Mr. Masson's) memory was

humble address be presented to His at fault. But ho remembered the Excellency in reply to the Speech occasion particularly, because when from the Throne; and at the outset, I the statement was made, he made the hasten to solicit the indulgence of the remark that his hon. friend was going House, convinced as I am, that the too far, that he was pledging Parlia- task which has devolved upon mo, is ment two Sessions. This was wbat much beyond my power. I am about struck him at the time, and made him to have the honour to serve the House remember the fact now.

with a bill of fare, which certainly MR. LAURIER said he had appealed should give satis.action to the most to the testimony of his hon. friend exacting; but which, nevertheless, the because he thought there could be no hon. Leader of the Opposition will not doubt about it. His memory was not fail, as usual, to find very meagre. I in accord with that of his hon. friend remember that last year, the hon. mem(Mr. Masson), but, although they were

ber (Sir John A. řacdonald) made us at variance, his hon. friend did not this compliment, but that did not, impugn his statement, and he did not meanwhile, prevent three long months, impugn that of his hon. friend. Still, and sittings prolonged at times until they were at variance, and one might the morning being required, though be at fault. It seemed to him that it the Government used all possible diliwas quite natural that, having been gence to forward the despatch of busisworn in only on the previous day, he ness, before we passed through all could not state what would be the the program nic that was submitted to policy of the Government.

As His Excellency bas very apMR. MOUSSEAU: I heard the hon. propriately remarked this year, noMinister use exactly the same words thing beyond the ordinary affairs of as those remembered by the hon. of Parliament; the country at pre

Parliament requires the convocation member for Terrebonne (Mr. Masson). sent being in a most satisfactory condi

MR. SPEAKER: I would suggest to tion. It is true that we have suffered the hon, member (Mr. Barthe) not to and still suffer from commercial depress the Bill at present. It is con- pression, but this is a misfortune trary to our usual practice to intro- common to-day to all civilized counduce a Bill before the Speech istries, and, after all, we can say that we answered.

have suffered here less from it than SIR JOHN A. MACDONALD said any other country, no matter where the motion which was always made, situated, and that Canada. occupies a was to protect the right of the House relatively prosperous condition. The to introduce Bills if they chose, but commercial position of the country even then it was considered not ex- has improved during the past few actly respectful to the Crown, and months, and our

months, and our revenues have intherefore the motion for the second creased. The second paragraph of reading was not made. He would the Speech from the Throne informs us suggest that the hon.gentleman should that, when Parliament will be convened allow his motion to stand until after anew, His Excellency Lord Dufferin the Address. It would be considered will have ceased to be here the reprethat the motion was not made, and sentative of the British Crown. This that it was still on the paper.

news, I am sure, will give rise, everyMotion, with leave of the House, ment of regret, and the Canadian

where in our midst, to a lively sentiwithdrawn.

people, without distinction of nationADDRESS IN ANSWER TO HIS EXCEL- ality or of religion, will look upon the

departure of His Excellency as a mis.

fortune. Lord Dufferin, whose presThe House proceeded to the con- ence each city, each town and each sideration of His Excellency's Speech locality in the Dominion, has disputed at the opening of the Session.

since his arrival amongst us, has


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