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should strenuously support the Motion of who were in command of the experimental his hon. Friend.

squadron, in which was found the general MR. CORRY would confine his remarks statement that the Queen, the Albion, and within the narrowest possible compass, other vessels of that class, were excellent and restrict himself to a defence of the ships, and acquitted themselves most creBoard with which he had been himself ditably. The general result of all the reconnected. The whole conduct of that ports made to the Board was to attest the Board showed that they had unremittingly, superiority of the Surveyor's ships; at and not unsuccessfully, directed their at- sea the only fault that could be alleged tention to the improvement of shipbuild- against them being that they were subject ing. He was satisfied that the Motion of to a quick rolling motion. The new ships the hon. Gentleman was as unnecessary as were not worthy of the sweeping condemnahis censure was undeserved. He believed tion dealt against them; nor were the old he spoke the general opinion when he said ships entitled to all the commendation bethat Captain Symonds had rendered great stowed upon them. He did not think that and important services—had broken through the Board of Admiralty were liable to the the trammels of ancient prejudice—and had charge of having squandered the public introduced various classes of vessels which money in ordering the works of the Surwere an improvement on the old construc- veyor's ships to be resumed, for they had tion. At the same time it was the general only done so in compliance with the official opinion of that Board that his system was reports and recommendations which were not without its imperfections, and that his presented to them. He disclaimed the vessels, particularly those of a larger class, charge of having on his own responsibility required to be tested before the principle ordered the works on those vessels to be on which they were built was generally resumed. He bad not done so without the adopted. With that view the Admiralty entire concurrence and the full authority determined to test the quality of the ships of the Board. With respect to the four both as to their power of sailing and car- steam guard-ships, they were altered not rying guns. They, therefore, appointed rashly nor inconsiderately, but in comthe squadron to sail on an experimental pliance with the recommendations contrip in 1844; but the result threw very tained in the report of the Commission little light on the question—what was the appointed to inquire into the best way to best principle on which ships could be defend the dockyards. The late Governbuilt because it turned out that vessels ment had applied the public money the of a totally opposite principle of construc- best way they could; and they had, at all tion were found to be on a perfect equality events, the satisfaction of knowing that as to their sailing powers. His hon. and they had handed over the Navy to their gallant Friend the Member for Ripon then successors in a fit state to defend the inproposed that for the purpose of aiding the terests and honour of the country. Admiralty in this branch of their duties a MR. HUME replied: After the speeches committee should be appointed consisting they had heard, he was more than ever of one gentleman of high scientific attain- convinced of the necessity of inquiry. He ments, another practically skilled in ship was sorry that Government would not building, and a third a naval officer. This grant the Motion, but nevertheless he committee acted on perfectly independent would persist in it, and take the sense of views; and the Admiralty could not in his the House upon it. opinion have adopted any course more The House divided:-Ayes 13; Noes 66: likely to secure the object of the hon. Majority 53. Member for Montrose thrn its appoint

List of the Ayes. ments. It was the fashion to cry down the Surveyor's ships as though they were Cavendish, hon. G. II.

Bowring, Dr.

Napier, Sir C.

Pechell, Capt. good for nothing; but the House would find Colville, C. R. Perfect, R. on referring to the official reports made to Duncan, G.

Rashleigh, W. the Board of Admiralty that distinguished Etwall, R.

Yorke, H. R. officers in the naval service gave a very Heneage, E.

Evans, W.

Hume, J. different account of them. In attestation Henley, J. W.

Ingestre, Visct. of the truth of this assertion, he would take leave to read some passages from the

List of the Noes. report in question. The hon. Member read Arundel and Surrey, Bennet, P.

Armstrong, Sir A.

Baine, W. extracts from the reports of the officers Earl of

Berkeley, hon. Capt.



Borthwick, P.
Martin, C. W.

he was confident that, when the facts were Bowles, Adm. Masterman, J.

laid before them, they would be anxious Brotherton, J.

Monahan, J. H. Bunbury, W. M.

that the abuse of which he had to complain Morris, D. Carew, W. H. P. Nicholl, rt. hon. J. should be put a stop to. By the Act of Conyngham, Lord A. O'Brien, T.

Union, sixteen Peers of Scotland were Corry, rt. hon. II. Parker, J.

fixed as the number to represent the Scotch Cowper, hon. W. F. Price, Sir R.

Peers in the United Parliament, and these Craig, W. G.

Rice, E. R.
Cripps, w.
Rich, H.

were to be elected by the whole body of Dalmeny, Lord Ross, D. R.

the Peers of Scotland, their heirs and sucDuckworth, Sir J. T. B. Rumbold, C. E.

cessors. It, therefore, became necessary Dundas, Adm. Rutherfurd, A.

to ascertain of whom the body of Scotch Dundas, Sir D.

Seymer, H. K.
Escott, B.
Seymour, Sir H. B.

Peers consisted; and, in 1738, Sir James Gibson, rt. hon. T. M. Smith, J. A.

Murray brought a list of the Peers before Gladstone, Capt.

Somerville, Sir W. M. the House of Lords. In obedience to the Gore, hon. R.

Stanley, hon. W. 0. Orders of that House, that list remained as Graham, rt. hon. Sir J. Stanton, W. H.

the basis of the Union Roll. At the elecHarris, hon. Capt. Strutt, rt. hon. E. Hastie, A.

Talbot, C, R. M. tion at Holyrood House, the names and Hawes, B.

Thompson, Ald. titles that still remained on the Union Roll Hay, Sir A. L. Thornely, T.

were called over; the oaths were then adHerbert, rt. hon. S. Trollope, Sir J.

ministered; the clerk then asked those Hobhouse, rt. hon. Sir J. Tyrell, Sir J. T.

Peers who had answered to their titles for Howard, Sir R.

Waddington, H, S.
Hudson, G.
Ward, H. G.

their votes, which votes were immediately Jervis, Sir J.

Wodehouse, E. recorded. If any one claimed to be a son, Layard, Major Wyse, T.

grandson, or descendant of any of the titles Macaulay, rt. hon. T. B.

on the Union Roll, it was impossible for Maitland, T.

Hill, Lord M. Martin, J. Tufnell, H.

the clerk to question the claim; he must

record the vote, although, if any Peer obHouse adjourned at a quarter past One jected, the vote might be recorded under o'clock.

protest. There was no writ or previous

form requisite, so that if any person chose HOUSE OF LORDS,

to go into the room at Holyrood House,

and declare himself to be the son, grandFriday, April 30, 1847.

son, or lineal decendant of any Mixotes.) Public Bills.—39 and passed :--- Prisons (Ire- the Union Roll, his vote must be received. land); Commons Inclosure (No. 2).

This evil had been on former occasions so From Guardians of the Medway strongly felt, that the House of Lords had Union, for Alteration of the Law of Settlement, and for the Substitution of a Union Settlement in lieu of a Paro appointed Committees to inquire into the chial Settlement.--By the Bishop of Oxford, from Rep subject. In 1822 a Committee was apEducation. From Dunbar, in favour of the Conservancy pointed, a report was made, and resolutions of Tidal Waters. - From Haddington, for the Abolition in pursuance of that report were passed, of the Legacy Duty, and Inventory Stamp Duty, or to one of which was to the effect that no persubject Real Property to a corresponding Tax.-From a

son should be entitled to vote at the elecgreat number of persons employed in Factories, for Limiting the Labour of all Females and Minors to ten tion of a Representative Peer of Scotland Hours.

other than the son, grandson, or other

lineal descendant of a Peer of Scotland ELECTION OF SCOTCH REPRESENTA

whose title was set forth in the Union Roll, TIVE PEERS.

any objection being made, until his The EARL of EGLINTOUN rose, in right should have been admitted by the pursuance of notice, to bring before their House of Lords. Either this resolution Lordships a subject of abuse which had was not sufficiently stringent, or it had not from time to time occurred in the election been put in force; at all events, it had not of the Scotch representative Peers. He had the effect of preventing the malpracregretted that the duty had devolved upon tice of which he complained. Another him, in consequence of the absence of the Committee was appointed in 1832 to reEarl of Rosebery, who had long since consider the subject; they sat; resolutions turned his attention to the subject; at the were passed ; but, from some cause or same time, he did not hesitate to invite other, nothing was done upon them. A their Lordships to take the matter into con- short Bill was brought in by Lord Rosesideration, inasmuch as he thought some bery, but it did not pass into a law. Since legislative interference was necessary; and then the circumstance bad occurred out of

Peer on


which the complaint he was anxious to main resolution of the Committee of 1831, provide a remedy for had arisen. In con- and this was objected to by many Scotch sequence of the death of Lord Rollo, and Peers; it was a question, however, whepursuant to Her Majesty's Proclamation, ther their Lordships had the power to there was a meeting in Edinburgh, on the issue such an order, which did not follow 17th of March last, to elect in the room because the Committee had passed that of the deceased nobleman a Representative resolution. The Speaker of the House of Peer for Scotland. On that occasion, on Commons had no power to issue an order the Union Roll being called over, a person to the sheriff to allow particular persons to was present who claimed to be Lord Col- vote for a Member of Parliament. This ville, of Ochiltree. The Earl of Selkirk difficulty was felt in the Committee, and he was present and protested; at the same mentioned this as an excuse for the House time, the vote of Lord Colville was re- not acting upon the resolution. The Comceived. At the election of 1788, a person mittee felt the evil most strongly, and were voted with that title, and attempted to es- of opinion that the plan proposed in the tablish his claim; but after evidence was resolution would afford an effectual reentered into, his counsel abandoned his medy. case. Such occurrences as this all their The Marquesg of LANSDOWNE was Lordships must be as anxious as he (the understood to offer no objection to the apEarl of Eglintoun) was to prevent, as they pointment of the Committee. brought discredit, not only upon the Scotch LORD CAMPBELL said, it had come to Peerage, but upon the Peerage of Eng- his knowledge that, by the existing state land; and nothing, in his opinion, it was of the law respecting Scotch Peerages, incumbent upon them to guard with more tradesmen had suffered grievous losses. watchful care than their honours. It was Let a person merely say he was a Peer, necessary that their Lordships should up- and he had unlimited credit. Not only the hold the character which they still bore in public suffered by this, but the indivithe country, and prevent any one coming duals themselves. Ile knew a case in amongst them who had no right to the dis- which a respectable individual had been tinction of the Peerage. He moved — told that he was entitled to a Scotch Peer

“ That a Select Committee be appointed to take age, and unfortunately, from that moment, into Consideration the existing Laws and Regula- he abandoned all he had in this country; tions which relate to the Elections of the Repre- his family, thinking they had acquired this sentative Peers of Scotland; to consider what distinction, followed the same unfortunate Steps should be taken to prevent Persons from course, and were utterly ruined and undone voting at such Elections who are not entitled to do so ; and to inquire into and report upon the by the notion. He was only sorry that the Proceedings which took place at the Election of noble Earl had not gone a little further, Lord Gray, on the 17th Day of March last." and extended the inquiries of the Commit

tee to the abuses as to the assumption of LORD BROUGHAM said, the noble English titles, from which similar misforEarl had complained of an individual hav- tunes had happened both to individuals and ing voted for a Representative Peer of to the public. Scotland who had no title to vote; but, Motion agreed to. unfortunately, there were no means of es

House adjourned. tablishing his claim, unless he came before that House. One of the resolutions of the Committee, which had been referred to by

HOUSE OF COMMONS, the noble Earl, had pointed out a remedy. It proposed that those persons who, in con

Friday, April 30, 1847. sequence of their titles being upon the MINUTES.) PUBLIC Bills. 1o Savings Banks Annuities.

20 Drainage of Lands (Scotland); Passengers Act AmendUnion Roll, had voted, and whose votes had never been disputed since 1801, should Jo and passed :-Naval Prisons. be allowed to vote without any qualifica

PETITIONS PRESENTED. By Mr. Bouverie, from Society

for the Abolition of Ecclesiastical Courts, for Alteration tion; but that no other persons should be

of Law respecting those Courts.-By Mr. Rumbold, from suffered to vote; and the clerk registrar Norwich, for Alteration of the Law of Marriage.-By was required not to receive their vote, un

Mr. T. Mackenzie, from Members of the Synod of Ross,

against the Marriage (Scotland) Bill.—By Mr. O. Morgan, less they produced a writ of qualification, from Monmouth, against the Roman Catholic Relief in the shape of a certificate from the Bill. - By Mr. Chute, from Norfolk, for Repeal of the Speaker of that House, the Lord Chancel.

Duty on Maltı-By Mr. R. Trevor, from Llandilo (Car

marthen), for Regulating the Qualification to become lor, or the Lord Keeper. That was the Chemists and Druggists.-By Mr. O, Morgan, from two



places in Wales, against, and by Lord John Russell, from

TIIE FACTORIES ACT. several places, in favour of the Government Plan of Edu

Sir W. JAMES wished to put a ques. cation ; and by Sir W. Molesworth, from Liverpool, for Alteration of the same.-By Lord E. Bruce, from Marl. tion to the right hon. Baronet at the head borough, in favour of the Health of Towns Bill. --By Sir of the Home Department-a question reJuvenile Offenders Bill.—By Mr. T. Duncombe, from specting which he had taken the liberty to Members of the Alleged Lunatics Friend Society, for In- give him notice. He did not know whequiry respecting Lunatics and Lunatic Asylums.- From ther it would be in the recollection of the Richard Beadon Bradley, Clerk, A.B., Incumbent of Ash Priors and Cothelstone, Somerset, and Curate of East House, that he had in the early part of the Teignmouth, Devon, for the Establishment of a National present Session put a question to the right Benefit Society.--By Mr. A. Duncombe, from Clerks, hon. Baronet similar to the inquiry which Superannuation Fund for Poor Law Officers.—By Mr. he now proposed to address to him. In Duncan, and Mr. T. Mackenzie, from several places in the early part of the present Session he Scotland, against the Registering Births, &c. (Scotland) inquired if it was the intention of Her Ma

jesty's Government to introduce any mea

sure for the amendment of the Factory THE WINCHESTER SESSIONS.

Act, with reference-1st, to the education MR. ESCOTT rose to put a question to of children in printworks; 2nd, with rethe right Baronet the Secretary for the spect to the regulation of silk mills; and, Home Department, respecting the adminis- 3rd, as regarded the casing and guarding tration of justice in the city of Winchester. of machinery. When he put the question The information upon which he proposed to upon a former occasion, the answer which put this question was derived from intelli- he received was, that two of those subjects gence which he had seen in the newspapers. would be taken up by the Government; but The Times of that morning contained a the right hon. Gentleman was silent with paragraph, which doubtless had been co- regard to the silk mills. They had all, he pied from the Hampshire Independent. thought, agreed that the question should as The paragraph stated, that the Recorder soon as possible be brought to a final setof Winchester had resigned his office; that tlement; but he regretted to say that it no successor to that learned person had been still remained untouched. appointed; that therefore the trials, which Sir G. GREY replied, that with regard ought to have come on at the Easter ses to the Bills which the hon. Member men. sions, had been infinitely postponed; and tioned, the intentions of the Government that the prisoners whose cases ought to had not undergone any change. There was have been disposed of still remained un- a good deal of difficulty about casing and tried. He wished, in the first place, to guarding machinery. Large powers had alknow if a new Recorder had been appoint- ready been granted to the Factory Commised, and, if not, whether the right hon. Ba-sioners; but there were difficulties in carryronet at the head of the Home Department ing into effect the spirit of the recommenwas prepared to suggest any means by dations made by the inspectors; and he which the existing inconvenience could be apprehended that it would be necessary to remedied?

make additional references to the inspecSir G. GREY said, that he also had tors before they proceeded further with seen the paragraph to which the hon. their intended measures. At present those Member referred; but as to the facts he inspectors were out of town. possessed no information beyond that which the newspapers furnished. The Easter

THE POOR LAW. sessions had been appointed to commence

MR. FERRAND rose to advert to the on Easter Monday. Upon the 31st of extraordinary conduct of the Government March, a few days previous to Easter with reference to the New Poor Law. Monday, the late Recorder of Winchester Three months had now elapsed since the sent in his resignation. During the in- present Session of Parliament commenced, terval which elapsed between that day and and yet the Government up to the present the time appointed for holding the sessions, moment had not introduced their promised it was evidently impossible to effect the Amendment of the New Poor Law. It appointment of a successor to the learned would of course be recollected, that a Comgentleman who had just retired from office. mittee had been appointed in the last SesNo reference had been made to him on sion of Parliament; and on the 20th of Authe subject by the authorities at Winches- gust, 1846, that Committee reported in the ter, but he should lose no time in making following language-inquiries.

" That on a review of the proceedings of the Commissioners with respect to the Andover in- ! He had not anticipated that merely moving quiry, and towards Mr. Parker and Mr. Day, it for leave to bring in a Bill, and stating the appears that they have been irregular and arbitrary, not in accordance with the Statute under outline of its provisions, would lead to diswhich they exercise their functions, and such as cussion; but after the measure had been to shake public confidence in their administration introduced and printed, he intended to fix of the law.”

an early Government Order-day for the For more than eight months the Govern- second reading, when the debate could be ment had been screening those Commis- taken. He had been in communication sioners; and since the commencement of with Gentlemen at a late hour last night, the present Session the right hon. Baronet and found that he could not then proceed; at the head of the Home Department had and he had, therefore, fixed the question promised the House a Bill for the Amend- for Monday next. The third reading of ment of the New Poor Law. The right the Factory Bill, it was true, stood for hon. Baronet had, as they all knew, placed that day; but perhaps it would be disposed a notice on the Votes of the House announ- of at a sufficiently early hour to enable cing his intention to bring forward such a him to make his statement on the Poor measure; but, as far as he could see, there Law. On an Order-day, Orders must of was not at the present moment the least course take precedence; and he could only probability of any such proposition coming come forward after they were disposed of. under discussion. It was found impracti- On Monday next, if it were possible, it cable to bring it forward last night; and now was his full intention to move for leave to the right hon. Baronet placed it on the bring in the Bill, which was drawn and Votes for Monday next, when three or prepared; and if not on Monday, on the four other Motions would have precedence of earliest opportunity. When the measure it. If they intended to take any such step, was once in the House, he proposed to he could not understand why they should proceed with it with all the speed comnot proceed with it immediately; why not patible with the convenience of hon. Memfix it definitely for Tuesday next? He was bers. anxious to obtain from the right hon. Baronet a clear and distinct pledge that he PIERS, HARBOURS, AND RAILWAYS (IREwould bring forward his intended Bill on a LAND).—THE MONETARY CRISIS. Government night. What he thought the On the question, that the Order of the House and the country had a right to ex- Day for the House to go into Committee pect was, that the right hon. Baronet should upon Piers, Harbours, and Railways (Ireplace a notice on the books with respect to land), be read, his measure, arranging that it should have MR. ROEBUCK said, it was with great precedence of all other business, but yet reluctance that he addressed the House fixing such a time for its discussion as for the purpose of submitting a Motion for would give those hon. Members who were their consideration. He begged, in the interested in the proceeding full notice that first place, to assure noble Lords and hon. they might be able to attend in their places. | Gentlemen on the Treasury bench, that He hoped that this would be done, and that the question which they were called on to the right hon. Baronet would not go on debate, was itself fairly bafore the House, night after night postponing the measure, and he was anxious to take the first faand giving no opportunity for its discussion. vourable opportunity of engaging in its The opponents of the proposed Bill had be discussion. It was said, that he too frehaved towards the right hon. Baronet in quently yielded to a disposition to cavil at the fairest and the handsomest manner. the measures brought forward by Her MaHe had only to add, that unless some early jesty's Government; and it was true that day were appointed for proceeding with the he frequently found it necessary to make Bill, he should himself make a Motion upon them the subjects of censure and animadthe subject on reading the first Order of version; but he denied, that in pursuing

He now wished to know whe- that course he was destitute of support ther the right hon. Baronet would fix a out of doors; and he could sincerely say, day for proceeding with this Bill? that he never opposed anything which he

SIR G. GREY, in answer, observed that conscientiously believed the exigences of he had put his notice of moving for leave the country required. By the present proon the Paper for last night, thinking that ceeding, what was the House asked to do? other business might be over sufficiently They were asked to go into a Committee early to enable him to make his statement. of Supply, for the purpose of doing that

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