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the two Houses on the amendments of the Senate to the deficiency bill, Messrs. SCHENCK, LITTLEJOHN, and RANDALL of Pennsylvania.
MINING LAWS IN ARIZONA. Mr. POSTON, by unanimous consent, submitted the following resolution; which was read, considered, and agreed to:
Resolved, That the Committee on Public Lands be, and they are hereby, instructed to inquire into the expediency of adopting the code of mining laws passed by the LegisJative Assembly of the Territory of Arizona hereto appended.
The papers accompanying the resolution were ordered to be printed. PAY OF MEMBERS OF ARIZONA LEGISLATURE.
Mr. POSTON presented the memorial and joint resolution ofthe Territory of Arizona, asking Congress to increase the pay of members of the Legislative Assembly and territorial judges; which were referred to the Committee of Ways and Means, and ordered to be printed.
COLORADO INDIANS. Mr. POSTON also presented the memorial of the Territory of Arizona, asking of Congress an appropriation of $150,000 for placing the Indians of the Colorado on a reservation; which was referred to the Committee of Ways and Means, and ordered to be printed.
NAVIGATION OF TIIE COLORADO RIVER. Mr. POSTON also presented the memorial of the Legislative Assembly of Arizona, asking an appropriation of $150,000 for the improvement of the navigation of the Colorado river; which was referred to the Committee on Cor erce, and ordered to be printed.
WAR AGAINST THE APACIIES. Mr. POSTON also presented the memorial of the Territory of Arizona, asking of Congress an appropriation of $250,000 in aid of the war against the Apaches; which was referred to the Committee on Military Affairs, and ordered to be printed.
ARMS FOR ARIZONA. Mr. POSTON also presented the resolutions of the Territory of Arizona, requesting arms; which were referred to the Committee on Military Affairs, and ordered to be printed.
MAIL FACILITIES FOR ARIZONA. Mr. POSTON also presented the resolutions of the Legislature of Arizona, requesting mail facilities; which were referred to the Committee on the Post Office and Post Roads, and ordered to be printed.
BOUNDARIES OF ARIZONA. Mr. POSTON also presented joint resolutions of the Legislature of Arizona, instructing the Delegate from that Territory to ask of Congress the appointment of commissioners lo fix the boundary line of the Territory of Arizona and other Territories; which were referred to the Committee on Territories, and ordered to be printed.
Mr. POSTON also presented the memorial of the Territorial Legislaiure of Arizona asking for a change of the boundary line between that Territory and the State of California; which was referred to the Committee on the Territories, and ordered to be printed.
SALTING RAILROAD TRACKS. Mr. STEELE, of New York, by unanimous consent, submitted the following resolution; which was read, considered, and agreed to:
Resolved, That the Coinmittee for the District of Columþia be instructed to inquire into the expediency of adopeing such ineasures as may be necessary to prevent the use of salt on the tracks of the street railroads in said District, and to report by bill or otherwise.
EXCUSED FROM COMMITTEE SERVICE. Mr. STEELE, of New York. Mr. Speaker, I desire to ask to be excused from service on the select committee to investigate the charges against Hon. LUCIEN ANDERSON, to which the Speaker did me the honor to appoint me. My reason for asking to be excused is that Mr. ANDERSON is a member of the same committee of which I am a member; and in consequence of the continued ab. Bence of the chairman of the Committee for the District of Columbia, I have been, by the request of my associates, and am still, acting as chairman
of that committee; and of course my time is very in the nature of a substitute, Senate bill No. 171,
entitled “ An act further to amend an act entitled
surrectionary districts within the United States,
I move that this bill be recommitted, and be or-
dered to be printed.
The motion was agreed to.
Mr. STEVENS. I also report from the Com-
certain clerks and employés in the civil service of
the Government. I ask that this bill be made the
ject to this bill being made a special order. I
Mr. STEVENS. It is not to the exclusion of
is made a special order.
The SPEAKER. To make the bill a special
order at this time requires unanimous consent,
be postponed until Thursday of next week after
the morning hour, and be ordered to be printed.
The motion was agreed to.
CABINET OFFICERS IN CONGRESS-AGAIN.
Mr. PENDLETON. Mr. Speaker, I now
may occupy seats upon the floor of the House of
for a period, as there are one or two gentlemen
who wish to discuss it, and whose convenience
will be subserved by discussing it to-day.
the morning hour. The committees have not been
called for a long time.
Mr. PENDLETON. If that will subserve the
convenience of the House I certainly have no dis-
Mr. STEVENS. I am anxious to go into the of the United States, by the North western Ship Committee of the Whole on the state of the Union Canal Convention, assembled at Dubuque, Iowa, to pass several appropriation bills; but I do not, May 4, 1864; which was referred to the Com of course, want io interfere with the gentleman mittee on Roads and Canals, and ordered to be
Mr. PENDLETON. I have only to say, in
reference to this measure, that I am inclined to
do anyihing which will suit the convenience of Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I demand
the House. I have waited, as my colleague on
the Committee of Ways and Means well knows,
in order to have a convenient tiine to bring it up
so as not lo interfere with any important business adjournment yesterday was the bill (H. R. No.
of the House.
Mr. STEVENS. If the gentleman proceeds
at once, we can after a while go into the Commit
lee of the Whole on the state of the Union; but
if he waits till after the morning hour, there will
be no time left to do so.
Mr. PENDLETON. I hope, then, that the
quest, as I am unwilling to decline, and yet it is
evident I cannot accept. CABINET OFFICERS IN CONGRESS.
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. The comMr. PENDLETON. I rise to a privileged | mittees have not been called for weeks, and I question. I desire to call up the motion to recon
know that many have a large amount of business sider the vote by which the bill (H. R. No. 214)
to report. The Committee on Commerce has, for
Mr. PENDLETON. How soon will the
The SPEAKER. It has already commenced.
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I ask con-
sent to make one report from the Committee on
Mr. PENDLETON. Will it give rise to debate?
Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I do not
think that it will.
TRADE WITII REBELLIOUS STATES. ject opens a wide field for examination, and will great amount of labor, seems to me should be Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, from the require the attention of any committee pretty referred to some other equally appropriate comCommittee on Commerce, reported the following
much all the time from this to the end of the ses mittee, resolution, and demanded the previous question
sion. If the Committee on Military Affairs have As I said before, I should have preferred that on its adoption:
time to attend to it, and the House determine that this matter should have been seni to a special
that is the proper committee to make the examResolved, That the Committee on Commerce, to whom
committee; but as the House refused to do that, was referred the resolution of the House of Representatives
ination, the Committee on Commerce are entirely I am for the next best thing, and hope the resoof the 20th instant, directing the said conimitiee to inquire satisfied.
lution will be adopted, and that the Committee into the matter of a permit granted by the chier agent of Mr. FRANK. I would inquire of the gentle. on Commerce will be charged with the investigathe Treasury Department to G. W. Lane, of Baltimore, to man from Illinois what will be the expense atproceed to North Carolina and exchange provisions with
tion, and by their report let the House and ihe the rebels for colon, is hereby directed further to inquire tending this investigation?
country know what truth there is in the reports into all the facts and circumstances connected with the Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. It is impos that a fow favored individuals are granted exclutrade with the rebellious States since the breaking out of sible for me to answer that question. I think I sive privileges, of immense value to the recipithe rebellion, either by permit froin the Treasury Department or otherwise; that the said committee have leave to
can assure the gentleman from New York that ents, which are denied to the great mass of equally sit during the sessions of the house, and to report at any
there will be no unnecessary expense incurred; worthy applicants. time; and that the Clerk be directed to pay all the expenses but all the expense necessary to a full investiga I renew the demand for the previous question. of the said committee out of the contingent fund of the tion will be incurred.
The previous question was seconded, and the House, on the certificate of the chairman.
Mr. UPSON. How is it proposed to continue main question ordered; and under the operation Mr. SCHENCK. I ask the gentleman to this committee beyond the present session? thereof the resolution was agreed to-ayes 66, withdraw the demand for the previous question Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. There is noes 30. for a moment.
nothing in the resolution which contemplates any Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, moved to reMr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I withdraw continuation of the committee beyond the present consider the vole by which the resolution was the call for the previous question to hcar the gen session. Of course everything falls with the Con- | adopted, and also moved to lay the motion to retleman. gress.
consider on the table. Mr. SCHENCK. Mr. Speaker, this whole Mr. SCHENCK. I do not wish any misun Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. I demand the yeas matter of trade across the lines with the rebel derstanding about this matter. I suppose nocom and nays on the latter inotion. States has once already been referred to the Com millee courts an addition to its labors. I do not The yeas and days were not ordered. millee on Military Affairs. They are now en. know how it may be with the Committee on Com The motion to lay the motion to reconsider gaged in collecting information on the subject and merce, but sure I am that very little time can be on the table was agreed to. have been considering it. Therefore, to my mind, bestowed upon that, beyond what we are now Mr. SCHENCK. I now ask that the Comwhen the whole subject has been referred to one called upon to give to any special subject, by the mittee on Military Affairs be discharged from the committee, there is a manifest impropriety in re commiliee over which I have the honor to pre further consideration of all questions relating to ferring it to another committee, and that too when side.
trade between the loyal and the rebel States, herewe are in the midst of the investigation. I hope, I simply desire to call the attention of the tofore referred to them by resolution of the House, therefore, that the resolution will not be passed, House to the fact that this whole subject has once We will not pay any atiention to that resolution, or, if passed, that the Committee on Military been referred, with instructions, to ihe Commit whether we are discharged or not. Affairs will be discharged from this subject. tee on Military Affairs, and that committee is Mr. ELDRIDGE. I would like to inquire
Mr. FARNSWORTH, Mr. Speaker, I do not now engaged, according to the best of its ability what the subject is from the consideration of rise merely to reiterate the statement of my col and time, in the investigation. And it is now pro which the committee ask to be discharged. Is it league on the Committee on Military Affairs. By posed that another committee shall be charged the same that we have just referred to the Coma resolution introduced into this House by the with the same investigation. The Committee on mittee on Commerce? gentleman from Massachusetts, [Mr. Boutwell, Commerce, it appears, has been charged to look Mr. SCHENCK. It is precisely the same. the Committee on Military Affairs was charged into what has been done in a specific case, having The SPEAKER. It is the subject of trade to investigate the whole question of trade with ihe no relation to the general investigation of the between the loyal and rebel Slates. rebel Scales, the transit of the products of the whole policy. What is now asked is, that in ad Mr. SPALDING. Is it in order to move that loyal States to those States, and the purchase of | dition to the inquiry committed to them, their the Committee on Military Affairs be discharged their products in return. Subsequently another power shall be extended over the whole subject, with the thanks of the House? [Laughter.] gentleman from Massachusetts submitted a reso and they be instructed to report in regard to the The motion of Mr. SCHENCK was agreed to. Tution calling upon the Secretary of War for the whole policy of trade with the rebel States, thus The SPEAKER. Reports are still in order correspondence with General Canby. Then the covering, in addition to what they are now charged from the Committee on Commerce. letter of General Canby and other correspondence with, precisely the ground occupied by instruc Mr. ELIOT. I am instructed by the Commitwere referred to the Committee on Military tions given in the former resolution to the Mili tee on Commerce to report a bill for action at this Affairs. That committee has been for some time tary Committee.
time. engaged in collecting the facts and statistics in Having no particular desire to engage in these Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I feel bound regard to this trade.
investigations, under these circumstances, if the to suggest to my colleague on the committee that It seems to me that it is a proper subject for courtesy of the Committee on Commerce and this it was the understanding with the gentleman from the investigation of the Committee on Military House is such as to make it seem to them proper Ohio (M. PENDLETON) that he was only to give Affairs. It appertains very much to the conduct to charge the Commillce on Commerce with the way for a single report. of military affairs. It is a question of trade precise subject of investigation before the Com Mr. ELIOT. Then I withdraw my report. across the lines, between the loyal and the rebel mittee on Military Affairs, and with which that
CABINET OFFICERS IN CONGRESS. lious Stales. I agree with my colleague, that committee is now occupied, I shall, after the resowhen this subject was referred io one committee lution is passed, ask that the Committee on Mil The SPEAKER. The gentleman from Ohio it is certainly an impropriety to charge another itary Affairs be discharged fro any further con [Mr. PENDLETON) calls up the motion to reconcommittee with its consideration. It was for this sideration of the subject.
sider the vote by which the joint resolution of reason that I objected when my colleague asked Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I demand the House (No. 214) to provide that the heads of unanimous consent, a short time since, to intro the previous question.
Departments may occupy seats on the floor of the duce this resolution.
Mr. ALLEY. I ask the gentleman from Illi House of Representatives was recommitted to the Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. The House nois to yield to me a moment. I will renew the special committee on that subject. will recollect that a few days since the gentleman demand for the previous question.
Mr. STEELE, of New York. I appeal to the from Michigan (Mr. Driggs) introduced a reso Mr.:WASHBURNE, of Minois. I will with | gentleman from Ohio to allow me to make a single lution which directed the Committee on Com draw my demand, under the circumstances. report from the Committee for the District of Comerce to inquire into a specific case which was Mr. ALLEY. I believe no more important | lumbia. It will take but a moment. mentioned in the resolution. The committee pro resolution has been presented to this House since
Mr. PENDLETON. I will yield for that purceeded to discharge that duty; and they have had the commencement of this session, and I hope it pose. brought to their attention, while examining that will be adopted. For one, I should prefer that
FRANKLIN INSURANCE COMPANY. particular case, other cases in precisely the same this subjeci had been referred to a select commit
Mr. STEELE, of New York, by unanimous channel. tee, owing to its importance and to the labor neces
consent, reported back from the Committee for the Now, sir, I desire to say, on behalf of the Com sarily involved in the investigation of the matter, District of Columbia bill of the Senate No. 384, mittee on Commerce, that this is an investigation which precludes the possibility of such complete to amend the act entitled "An act to amend and which that committee does not court. We have investigation by most standing committees as we
extend the charter of the Franklin Insurance no feeling whatever in relation to the matter. The desire. I know that great complaint has been | Company,” approved 21 March, 1838. subject was sent to them by the House, and in made in some quarters, and I fear justly, in re The bill was ordered to a third reading, and it good faith they have entered upon the discharge gard to this subject. If the allegations that have
was accordingly read the third time, and passed. of that duty, and the committee deem it proper, come to my ear are true, then this matter ought
Mr. STEELE, of New York, moved to reconif the House desire this investigation, that they to be investigated, and investigated speedily and
sider the vote by which the bill was passed; and should have this resolution to work upon. thoroughly.
also moved to lay the motion to reconsider on the That is the whole question. If the House de I have great confidence, of course, in the Com
table. sire that the Committee on Commerce shall go mittee on Military Affairs; no one more so, The latter motion was agreed to. forward and make this investigation, they can know. Everybody in this House understands
Mr. HOLMAN. I now demand the regular adopt this resolution. If they do not desire it, that that committee is more burdened with work
order of business. but desire that the Committee on Military Affairs than almost any other committee of this House. shall make the investigation, the Committee on Its labors are very arduous; and an important
THANKS TO MAJOR GENERAL SHERIDAN. Commerce is satisfied. We are satisfied from subject of this character, which requires a speedy Mr. DEMING. I wish, with the permission what has already appeared before us that this sub. and thorough investigation, and involves such a of the gentleman from Ohio, to report back from
the Committee on Military Affairs the resolution we found that, in consequence of the action of the ference of the House are concerned, they felt that of thanks to Major General Sheridan.
House and Senate respectively, there remained the llouse had committed itself in some degree lo Mr. HOLMAN. I will withdraw my demand but six amendments about which there was ques iis employés by the resolution of the House at for the regular order of business for that purpose tion between the two Houses. These were all of the last session of Congress. I do not know what only.
them amendments which had been aducd to the would have been the opinion if the question had Mr. DEMING. I am instructed by the Com bill by the Senale. The first of these was an been an open one. The first commiilee of conmilice ou Military Affairs to report back the joint amendment in relation to a small appropriation ference on the part of the House adlicred to that resolution of the House, (No. 142,) giving thanks of sodie four or five hundred dollars for the Den amendment, and were sustained with a good deto General Sierdall, with an amendment in the ver mint. There was exhibited lo us a letter from gree of unanimity. The srcond committee of nature of a substitute.
the Department, explaining the necessity for that conference therefore felt itself instructed upon this The substitute proposes to resolve that the appropriation, which satisfied the managers upon point by the House. thanks of Congress are hereby tendered to Major the part of the House that the House ought to re Now, sir, in order to narrow the whole quesGeneral Philip H. Sheridan, and the officers and cede from its disagreement to that amendment. tion, I move that the House recede from its disamnen under his command, for the gullantry, mili The second amendment is a large appropria. greement to the first, second, sixth, seventh, and tary skill, and courage displayed in the brilliant | tion altached by the Senate for deficiency in the ciglich amendments of the Sevale, relating to series of victories achieved by them in the valley | appropriations for the support of the mint at San Denver, San Francisco, and the bureaus of the of the Shenandoah, and especially for their ser Francisco. This, being considered by the com Navy Department, so that there shall be left open vices at Cedar Run on the 19ch of October, 1864, || mittee of conference, was found to rest on this between the iwo Houses nuthing but this queswhich retrieved the fortunes of the day and averled state of facts: last year only $50,000 was asked tion in reference to the employés of the House. a great disuster; and it further requests the Pres for the support of that mint in one of its items, and This will narrow il down to such a point that the ident of the United States to communicate this altogether some two hundred thousand dollars. House will be enabled to determine whether to resolution to Major General Sheridan, and through This year there is asked for that mint an amount abandon the bill or recede from the disagreement him to the officers and soldiers under his com exceeding that by more than two hundred thou to this amendment. aand.
sand dollars. This deficiency is explained in the Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. In order to The substitute was agreed to.
papers ns having been occasioned by the dificully test this whole question, I move to amend the The joint resolution, as amended, was ordered in procuring services, by the increased pay for sub gentleman's motion by receding from our disato be engrossed and read a third time, and being | sistence, by the derangement of the currency, and greement to all the amendments of the Senate, and engrossed, it was accordingly read the third time. the difficulty about the use of the paper currency to recede from our disagreement to the amendment Mr. SCHENCK demanded the yeas and nays
in California. These facts are alleged as explain which is specially objected to. The gentleman on the passage of the joint resolution.
ing why $134,000 more is asked to make up the from Ohio has stated plainly and clearly the difThe yeas and nays were ordered.
deficiency of last year. If that deficiency be al ferences between the iwo Houses. The question was taken; and it was decided in lowed, the appropriation will still be less, by a At the suggestion of gentlemen, I withdraw my the affirmative-yeas 131, nays 2, not voting 49; very considerable sum, than the appropriation amendment so as first to let the vote be taken on as follows:
made the present year. Yet the appropriation is the motion of the gentleman from Ohio. When YEAS-Messrs. James C. Allen, William J. Allen, Alli
large. The committee turned their aliention to that is disposed of, I will renew my motion lo F011, Ames, Ancona, Anderson, Arnold, Ashley, Augustus the papers which were before them, and found that recede from our disagreement to the fourth amendC. Bald will, John D. Baldwin, Baxter, Beamall, Blaine, the head of the Department states, upon his au ment of the Senate, and to agree to the same. Blair, Blow, Boutwell, Boyd, Brooks, Broomall, James S. Brown, William G. Brown, Anibroxe W. Clark, Cobb, Cof
thority, that the difliculties stated are such as to The SPEAKER. The first question will be froth, Cole, Cox, Cravens, Henry Winter Davis, Thomas render necessary this further appropriation for on agreeing to the report of the committee of T. Davis, Dawis, Deming, Denison, Dixon, Donnelly, that deficiency; and he states this with the addi- conference, and will then recur upon the amendDrigg-, Eckley, Edgerton, Elint, Farnsworth, Finck, Frank, Ganson, Garricid, Gonch Grider, Griwell, Griswold, Hale; ing had the subject specially under his attention,
tional knowledge he is presumed to have, he hav menis pending before the House. llarding, Charles M. Harris, Highy, lolmall, looper,
Mr. RANDALL,of Pennsylvania. Mr. Speakllotchkiss, Asahel W. Hubbard, John II. Hubbard, Inger not only as Secretary of the Treasury, but while er, having been a member of the second committee Foll, Jenckes, Julian, Kalbilcisch, Kasson, Kelley, Kervan, serving as a Senator upon the Finance Commillce of conference on the part of the House, I have King, Knox, Lazcar, Littlejohn, Loan, Longyear, Mallory, Marvin, McAllister, McBride, McClury, McDowell, Mein
of the Senate. All things considered, the com had the opportunity to make a deliberate investidoe, Samuel F. Miller, William H. Miller, Moorhead, Mor
mittee were not unwilling to agree that ihe House gation of the merits of the differences between the rill, Daniel Morris, Morrison, Amo: Myers, Leonaru Myers, should recede from its disagreeing vole on that iwo Houses. I am convinced, sir, that there is Noble, Norton, Charles O'Neill, John O'Neill, Orth, Patter: amendment.
no propriety in the action of the other House in son, Perhamn, Pike, Price, Radford, Samuel J. Randall, William 11. Randall, Alexander II. Rice, John H. Rice, Robin
There are three other amendments, numbers six, so far as it attempts to interfere with the disposison, Rogers, Edward H. Rollins, James S. Rollins, Ross,
seven, and eight, of like character, founded upon tion of this House in reference to its own domesSchenck, Scofiell, Scott, Shannon, Sloan, Smith, Smith a letter from the Secretary of the Treasury to the lic affairs, if I may be permitted to use the exers, Spalding, Jalan B. Siecle, William G. Steele, Stevens,
chairman of the Committee of Ways and Means | pression. It is well known that this has been an Strouse, Stuart. Thayer, Thomas, Townsend, Upson, Van Valkenburgli, Wadsworth, Elihu B. Washburne, William
of this House, showing the necessity of supply- extraordinary year in respect to the increase of B. Washburii, Webster, Whaley, Wheeler, Joseph W.
ing deficiencies, which had not been brought to all the articles of living; and it is also well known White, Wilson, Windoni, and Ycaman-131.
the allention of Congress, in three of the bureaus that this increasc falls with great hardship upon NAYS-Messrs. Benjainiu G. Harris and Chilton A. White-2.
of the Navy Department. This letter is under the recipients of small salaries. NOT VOTING-Messrs. Alley, Baily, Bliss, Brandegce,
stood not to have reached the Committee of Ways Now, as a member of the committee on the Chanler, Freeman Clarke, Clay, Creswell, Dawson, Du
and Means of this House, nor the House, until part of the House, and with a disposition to yield mont, Eden, Eldridge, English, Ilall, Harrington, Herrick, alier the bill had been acted upon here, and con everything except where the faith of the House Ilulburd, Hutchins, Philip Johnson, Willian Johnson, Francis W. Kellogg, Orlando Kellogg, Knapp, Law, Le
sequently these amendments were added in the is pledged, let me say that many of the employés Blond, Long, Marey, McKinney, Middletoni, James R.
Senale. The committee were not unwilling to of the House liave regulated their financial mai. Morris, Nelson, Odell, Pendletoni, Perry, l'omeroy, Pruyn, agree to these,
ters with reference to this increase of pay. This Starr, Stilex, Swrat, Tracy, Voorlices, Ward, Williains, There remained then, Mr. Speaker, the fourth action of the Senate stands, so far as my knowl. Wilder, Wintield, Benjamin Woud, Fernando Wood, Woodbridge, and Worthington–49.
amendment, providing for an addition of twenty | edge goes, and all the information I can get, withSo the joint resolution was passed.
per cent, to the pay last year of the employés of oui precedent. Never has a successful effort been
ihis House. The objection made to that on the made upon the part of either House to interfere Mr. DEMING moved that the vote just taken part of the Senate is this: that there had prevailed with what I might term the domestic relations of be reconsidered, and also moved that the motion a custom in both the Senate and House of Rep. || the other House. to reconsider be laid on the table.
resentatives through a long succession of years I have, therefore, and I say it with great frankThe lalter motion was agreed to.
of voting by resolution at the close of each ses ness to the House, clearly been convinced that DEFICIENCY BILL.
sion of Congress, in the burry of ndjournment, this money should be voted. I do not want to Mr. SCHENCK. I rise to a privileged ques-ployés, to be paid out of the contingent fund of
an increased compensation, a gratuity to its em stop the passage of the deficiency bill, nor do I tion. On behalf of the managers on the part of
want to lack the proper dignity which I conceive the House in the commillee of conference on the
that particular branch where the vole took place. to be due to the House in connection with its own
In 1858, lo break up this custom, an act of Con officers; and therefore I move, as an amendment disngreeing votes of the two Houses on the amendments to ihe deficiency bill, I submit a report,
gress was passed which prohibited the Senate or to the motion of the chairman of the committee,
House from making such an appropriation out of that the House adhere to the amendment disagreed which I send to the Clerk's desk. The Clerk read, as follows:
the contingent fund, and requiring thatevery such lo by the Senate.
appropriation should be made by law. It is The SPEAKER. The first question before The second committee of conference on the disagreeing claimed by the Senate, and is, I believe, according the committee is upon agreeing to the report of votes of the two llouses on the amendments to the bill (H. R. No. 620) to supply deficiencies in the appropriations for
to the faci, chat since 1858 there has been no in the conference committee. The gentleman can the service of the fiscal year ending the 30 of June, 1865,
fringement of this law, or an attempt to infringe make his motion to adhere, but the question must havinguer, after tull and free conterence have been unable it by either House of Congress till ihis time. On first be taken upon the motion to recede, as that to agree.
ROBERT C. SCHENCK, the 4th of July last, on the last day of the last has priority:
session, the House passed a resolution giving a Mr. RÁNDALL, of Pennsylvania. That Managers on the part of the House. gratuity of twenty per cent. io its employés. The would make my amendment inappropriate. DAVEL CLARK,
Sennte passed no such resolution. In the defi The SPEAKER. That would depend upon
L. W. POWELL,
was introduced appropriating some thirty thou Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. My moMr. SCHENCK. Mr. Speaker, before any
sand dollars to pay this cwenty per cent. addi tion will be in order if that is voled down. action be taken by the House on that report, I
tional salary to the employés of the House. It Mr. SCHENCK. My motion to recede apdesire to subinit a brief explanation.
was to pay them what it seems they could not || plies ouly to the first, second, sixth, seventh, and receive under the act of 1858.
eighth amendments, leaving out the one reluting When this second commillec of conference met, So far as the managers of the committee of con to the extra compensation.
TO THE OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF CONGRESS, PUBLISHED BY F. & J. RIVES, WASIIINGTON, D. O.
"Tunty-EIGHTH CONGRESS, 20 Session.
FRIDAY, JANUARY 27, 1865.
NEW SERIES.....No. 27.
M. STEVENS. I wish to state a matter of district, and undertaking to confine them to what to be retained in the bill or not. I can scarcely fact which the chairman of the conference com he must know is an inadequate compensation. believe that gentlemen the employés of the House, mittee seems not familiar with, which the Senate Mr. HOLMAN. I know that it is a very un as excellent officers and citizens as I know anyseemed to overlook, and which was entirely mis- || gracious task to oppose, especially in the presence where, are very anxious to receive a compensaslated in some remarks made in that body. It of the gentlemen who are to be affected, a meas tion for their services of one fifth more than is has been the habit of the House, since the pas ure increasing their official compensation, and || paid under the general system of compensation sage of the act of 1848, to increase the salaries of | argue in favor of a uniform and general rule by in other departments of public employment. I do its employés—and that was the only thing pro which the employés of the Government in all its not think it would be very agreeable to them to vided for by that law-by making at the end of departments shall receive a just compensation for receive this increased compensation by an invidthe session a gratuity to its employés, payable their services; and it is a very easy and grateful || ious discrimination. It is not, as the gentleman out of the contingent fund. I have offered more task for the gentleman from Pennsylvania [Mr. || from Pennsylvania (Mr. JOHNSON] seems to intithan one resolution of that kind, which has been | JOHNSON) to argue before the very courteous and mate, a general compensation of all the employés passed, and the money paid under it. I remem affable gentlemen who are around us, and who, ll of the Government, but of a particular class of ber that there was a special case where one of || from day to day aid us so much in the perform- | employés whose duries are similar to others. If our clerks, Mr. Mehaffey, had an addition made ance of our official duties, in favor of this in- || there has been such a depreciation of the currency to his salary by way of a gratuity, and it was creased compensation, luis very pleasantindeed, as to justify increasing the cost of all the necespaid out of the contingent fund. I recollected sir, and I should, if it were consistent with my saries of life and requiring a general increase of ihat that was so; and when I told the chairman sense of duty, aid the measure with the greatest twenty per cent., well and good; but let the inof the Senate committee that it was so, he doubted pleasure, and would even attempt to rival him in crease be general, let the Government be equal it, and I thereupon consulted with the clerks and its advocacy, for to support the interests of friends and just in dealing with its citizens. I think that was told that I was right in reference to my rec is always a pleasant employment.
a body like the Congress of the United States ollection. Now, if the Senate are inclined to in But, sir, what strikes me with astonishment is ought to deal out justice equally, not on a system terfere with our domestic institutions and over that the gentleman from Ohio, (Mr. Schenck,) of favoritism. The benefits of the Government rule them, I do not feel disposed to let them. chairman of this committee of conference, is wills and even its favors should fall, like the dews of
The question being put upon agreeing to the ing to concede appropriations of hundreds of heaven, on all alike. Here we discriminate in report of the committee of conference, it was de thousands of dollars which the first committee of favor of our own employés. However worthy cided in the affirmative.
conference, under the lead of the gentleman from | they are, they are not more so than the employés Mr. SCHENCK, I now move that the House | Pennsylvania, (Mr. Stevens,] thought were to of the Senate or of other departments of the Govrecede from its disagreement to all the amend- || tally unadvisable, that the House may by pos ernment. It does seem to me that the earnest ments of the Senate except the one relating lo sibility be able to secure this appropriation of | anxiety on the part of gentlemen to effect this inthe twenty per cent. extra compensation. $37,000 for the benefit of gentlemen around us, crease of salaries is almost without precedent in Mr. HOLMAN, I move to amend by inclu the employés of the House.
our legislation. ding all the amendments disagreed to by the Mr. SCHENCK. The gentleman will allow Mr. RANDALL, of Pennsylvania. The genHouse.
me to correct him. In the first place, I will in- | tleman from Indiana has suggested that there Mr. JOHNSON, of Pennsylvania. As that form him that the present committee of confer- | ought to be a general increase of compensation, motion comes from this side of the House, I de ence considered the merils of these amendments I desire to ask the gentleman whether he would sire to say a word in opposition to it. It is un as well as their amount; they were willing to vote for a general increase of twenty per cent. necessary, I think, for any gentleman to stand || yield them, although not the other amendment, || throughout all the departments of the Governhere and speak to the members of this House, or upon their merits and upon the papers submitted
ment? to persons who may be present in this city, upon to us. Further than that, the former committee Mr. HOLMAN. No, sir; I would not vote the subject of the necessity of an increased com of conference, as we were informed, came to the for a general increase of twenty per cent. But I pensation to those employés who are compelled to same conclusion.
say that the question before the House is very live and discharge their duties in this city. It is Mr.STEVENS. Thegentleman has no knowl- || different from what it would be if, instead of this well known to every person who has been about || edge of that fact.
partial act of legislation, it were a proposition for Washington city for any number of years past Mr. SCHENCK. I had the assurance of each || the equal benefit of all persons in the employment that the cost of living is far greater in this city one of the members composing the conference of the Government. Gentlemen cannot fail to now than it ever was before; and that the cost of committee on the part of the Senate that the sole remember that the officers of our Army, whose living is far greater in this city now than it is in question which could have remained open, if they compensation was fixed so far back as 1861, beany other city in the United States.
could have acted separately upon these amend- || fore any depreciation of the currency, are demandI am aware that there are gentlemen to whom ments, which the committee of conference cannot ing an increase of compensation. They would be this is a matter of light consideration, but I do not do, for it must either agree in the whole or dis very willing, I presume, to receive an increase of consider it so very high an honor for persons to agree altogether, would have been this one relat
twenty per cent., and yet there has been no movecome here to swing doors, to act as messengers, ing to the compensation of the employés of this ment on this floor in favor of such increase. But and to do the bidding of members from morning House. But I want the gentleman from Indiana) it is salaries now ranging from eighteen hundred to night in the streets and through the storm, to understand that the decision on the part of the to three thousand dollars a year that must be in tbat they should work for nothing, find them managers of the conference last held was upon creased twenty per cent., while the great body of selves, and live in back streets at that I do the merits of each case, and the papers before our citizens, thousands of whom are qualified for know that no messenger can live in a front street them, and was not regulated by this particular | any position, now in Government employment, in Washington comfortably, and pay his bill out of amendment. The intimation, therefore, that we are receiving a pittance of sixteen dollars per the compensation he now receives. "Every gentle- || were willing to yield thousands and hundreds of month-$192 a year-and with bounties and all man knows that. Then why any squeamish- || thousands of dollars for other purposes and stood not amounting, so far as the Government pays, to ness about increasing the compensation of this out on this particular point, is not a generous one, $350 perannum. What are we thinking of? 'Here class of persons? We have heard considerable | and not in accordance with the fact that we made are republican legislators favoring a partial insaid from time to time about increasing the com- || special inquiries in each particular case.
crease of compensation in one department of the pensation of the soldier. We have increased his Mr. HOLMAN. I do not think, judging from Government, now respectably paid, to the extent compensation, and he occupies a different posi the record, that it can be said that the intimation of one fifth, while not a voice has been raised in tion from the employés of this House, for he is is an ungenerous one. With this statement it || favor of an increase of the pay of those who are furnished his living, and therefore the increased would be, but I simply judge, as other members || imperiling health, life, and fortune for the salvaprice of living does not affect him. It does not must do, by the record. The first committee re tion of the Republic. Are some to make all the come out of his pay. The Government furnishes || ported a total inability to agree with the conferees || sacrifices and others none at all for the public it to him. But the messengers of this House, the on the part of the Senate without any explanation. || safety? Neither the Committee of Ways and civil employés of the Government, and these re Mr. 'SCHENCK. So do we, for the simple Means nor the Committee on Military Affairs marks apply to the employés in the Departments reason--which the gentleman is parliamentarian have taken any legislative steps to increase the as well as to the employés of this House,) are enough to understand-hat committees of con pay of the soldier in the field. "1, for one, protest bound all of them to find themselves, and the in- | ference have to report either an entire agreement | against that partiality which discriminates in favor creased cost of living in this city over what it or an entire disagreement,
of one class of Government employés in a matter was two or three years ago, besides the increased Mr. HOLMAN. I inferred from the absence in which all are equally interested. cost in this city over other cities in the United l of any statement that the disagreement in the com Mr. JOHNSON, of Pennsylvania. Is not the Slates, demands, as an act of justice on the part mittee of conference was on all the points. I gentleman from Indiana aware of the fact that of this House, that this compensation shall be know that the practice has prevailed here on the when the war commenced the pay of the soldier increased.
part of committees of conference, when they were was eleven dollars a month? It was increased by I am sorry to see my friend from Indiana, (Mr. || unable to agree on all the points, to report that legislation to thirteen dollars a month, and afterHOLMAN,) who has been so active upon all occa they were able to agree on certain points and not ward to sixteen dollars. Thus, in addition to sions in his efforts to increase the pay of the sol on others. But the fact remains ihat the other || large bounties, the pay of the soldier has been indier, now turning round on the faithful employés | five or six items on which the first committee | creased twice within three years, while the comof the House and of the Government in a differ differed are to be yielded, and the only question pensation of the officers of this House has not been ent capacity, although, perhaps, not voting in his ll which remains is whethe this item of $37,000 is ll increased at all.
Mr. HOLMAN. My friend from Pennsylva ing a compensation that begins to becommensurate of living, he would I suppose use the same argunia will recollect that there has been no increase with that which is paid even for labor in the more ment, that his pay had been fixed already in forof compensation of the officers of the Army since peaceful, quiet, and secure pursuits. Gentlemen mer limes, and therefore he could not grant any the beginning of the present war. Their com ialk about an increase of salaries for the purpose increase. pensation remains, as a general thing, what it of enabling our employés to live. Yet the soldier He alleges that he could not grant this increase was. My friend talks of the increased pay of the lives on his sixteen dollars per month, from which of pay, looking to his Democratic proclivities. I, soldier. If you will point to me valuable citizens he must support his wife and his little children; for one, as a Democrat, protest against his docin the pay of the Government, who were receiv and this meager pay is earned, not in the secure trine on that point. As Democrats we have felt ing elever, thirteen, or sixteen dollars per month pursuits of peace, but amid the perils of war. Are it to be our duty for years to pay our employés when the war began, I will admit the parallel. the soldiers alone to make sacrifices?
liberal salaries for the labors which they are called But it is the increase of these mere piliances of Mr. Speaker, I object to this method of increas. upon to perform; and in justice to them, as the compensation that you put against the increase ing salaries, and especially to the precedent now cost of living increased, we have increased those of salaries which were $1,200, $1,600, or $3,000, aliempted to be set of appropriating money by the salaries; it is only just to those who serve us. when the war began, and which it is now pro action of a single House, for the argument for And I am not to be moved from that position by posed to increase. I believe, sir, there is no em the increase is a resolution of last session. It any argument addressed to the popular ear in reiployé of this llouse whose compensation is less is unwise, sir, for either branch of Congress to erence to the discrimination of the pay of our emihan fifty dollars per month; I think I can say attempt to increase the compensation of its own ployés and the pay of our soldiers in the field. I that there is none whose compensation is less employés except by the enactment of a law. The have been ready to go with my friend from Inthan sixty dollars per month.
Senate may well resist the action of the House. diana step by step for the increase of their pay; Mr. JOHNSON, of Pennsylvania. Will the I desire, just as other gentlemen do, to stand but that is not the question before the House. gentleman allow me to correci him? I think that
very well with the excellent gentlemen who con The question is, what shall we pay our emin the employ of this House there is a class of stitute the officers and employés of this House; ployés ?' The question is whether their compenmen who receive but $150 per day. How the I shall not forfeit their good opinion, if I possess sation is sufficient for their support. Do we pay gentleman can make that sixiy dollars per month | it, by the independent performance of what I deem them a reasonable compensation for their labor? I do not know.
my duty, however much it may affect themselves. We have already answered that it was not; and Mr. HOLMAN. My friend is laboring under | Bút, independently of this, I should not care. I we cannot recede from that position without a a misapprehension.
am responsible only to my constituents for the per violation of our faith to those men who have been Mr. JOHNSON, of Pennsylvania. I think formance of my duties, and I should perform them diligently and faithfully discharging their duties. not.
fearlessly and carnestly, however much I might It seems to me that this House ought to be Mr. HOLMAN. I think that if the gentleman | regret that my sense of duty as a Representative | prompted to take care of its own interests by givwill look over the reports made by the Clerk to came in conflict with the interests of worthy gen ing to its employés such compensation as it thinks this House, he will find that there is not a single tlemen or of proved friends.
reasonable." It is a fact not disputed that the ememployé of the House whose compensation is less I oppose this amendment because it is partial ployés of the Senate receive and have been rethan sixty dollars per month.
in its benefits; because I would not see a danger ceiving more pay than the employés of the House. The salaries paid to the employés of this House ous precedent established, by which virtually We have not complained of ihat; we have only vary from sixty dollars per month to three thou either House, without the concurrence of the asked in this exigency of the times that we shall sand or three thousand five hundred dollars per other, may increase salaries; and because the be allowed to pay to our employés such compenyear. Yet the gentleman compares the salaries salaries are not so poor as to demand an increase sation as will afford them reasonable remunerapaid to these civil employés with the pittance which at a time when sacrifices may well be made by tion for their labors. We have done that and is paid to the soldier; and I am told as a Democrat, all., The Senate expresses its opinion against || nothing more. We have done nothing more than and told by a Democrat, that it is an ungrateful us, I cannot say with what unanimity; and there we are entitled to do. 1, for one, do not feel like task to resist this increase of salaries on this par must be gentlemen upon this floor who, not sim receding from the position taken by the House tial principle of legislation. The Democracy have || ply upon the score of economy, but upon the upon this question. I will not recede at the dicbecome very generous indeed, sir! I remember, | ground of equity and justice, are opposed to this tation of the Senate of the United States upon a when they have had the power of this Govern- partial increase because it is partial, because it question which affects our own employés. ment in their hands, that their motto was a rigid || applies to only one class of our citizens, when the Mr. MORRILL. I demand the previous queseconomy in public expenditures, and that, too, principle of legislation ought to apply equally to tion. with a full Treasury. Then, sir, no extravagance all classes of citizens in public employment. If The previous question was seconded, and the in salaries or anything else was tolerated. If the these gentlemen have iheir compensation in main question was ordered to be put. citizen engaged in the public service it should not creased, the same principle should apply to every The SPEAKER. There are three propositions be with the view to a compensation far exceeding citizen similarly circumstanced in public employ- | before the House: first, the motion of the gentethat which is ordinarily received in private pur ment whose duties are of the same characler. man from Ohio (Mr. SCHENCK] to recede from suits. I have yet to learn that the Democratic Mr. J. C. ALLEN. Mr. Speaker, I have list the disagreement of the House to all the amendparty of this country are becoming eager, by ex ened with some interest to the discussion of this ments of the Senate except the one which has travagant expenditure and large salariesand costly question, and beg leave to ask the indulgence of been under discussion, the appropriation out of establishments, to make this a brilliant Govern the House to one or two words in reply. I un the contingent fund to pay the twenty per cent. ment, a splendid Government-splendid in the derstand that the House during the last session | extra compensation to the employés of the House; emoluments to be realized by those who are in of Congress passed a resolution increasing the second, the motion of the gentleman from Indiana public employment, but miserable to those who
pay of its employés, and that the Clerk, owing || (Mr. Holman) to amend by including all the bear the burdens.
lo some construction which was placed upon the amendments in the motion to recede; and lastly, Sir, when gentlemen tell me that the pay of the l general law by the Department, did not feel au the motion of the gentleman from Pennsylvania employés of this House is small, I will ask their thorized at that time to execute the resolution of | [Mr. Stevens) that the House adhere to ihe disattention to a single fact: that such is the expendi- || the House. In this bill I understand there is a puted fourth amendment in reference to the payture of this single branch of the national Legis- || provision to carry out what was the declared pur ment of the extra compensation. lature, so extended and extravagant is the list of pose of the House at the last session of Congress The first question is upon the motion of the employés by this House, that an increase of only in reference to the increased pay of its employés. gentleman from Indiana to amend the motion or one fifth-wenty per cent., as now proposed — | 1 say that we cannot, without a violation of the che gentleman from Ohio so as to include all the on their compensation amounts to the magnificent || faith of the House, refuse to adhere to that pro amendments in the motion to recede. sum of $37,000. Thirty-seven thousand dollars ! vision in behalf of those employés who have been The question was put; and on a division there This sum is required by the bill for an addition faithfully discharging their duties from that time were-ayes 33, noes 90. of one fifth of ihe amount which is now paid. to this.
Mr. PíKE demanded the yeas and nays. How long ago was it that $37,000 paid the whole And, sir, it does seem to me that the arguments The yeas and nays were not ordered. expenses of the House? Yet gentlemen talk about of my friend from Indiana (Mr. HOLMAN) are in So the amendment was not agreed to. our employés as being insufficiently and poorly | deed most strange. Why, sir, the expenses of The question recurring on the motion of Mr. paid. Sir, if this Government rose to the true living here, and to which the employés of the SCHENCK, that the House recede from its disagreedignity of a republic-if it were not simply a House are especially subjected, have increased ment to all the amendments of the Senate except republic in name but one in luciusteau viile threetold since their compensation was fixed. the fourth, it was pul; and there were, on a divisemployé in civil life receiving from sixty dollars Yet the gentleman from Indiana insists that that || ion-ayes 70, noes 43. per month to $3,000 per year, it would be the compensation shall not be increased, but must Mr. JOHNSON, of Pennsylvania. There is goldier, imperiling all for his country, meeting the remain as it is. He talks about making these evidently a misapprehension, and I call for the leaden bail of death, who would receive the high- | officers exalted in a great Government! There yeas and nays. est compensation, and not the citizen who, in the is nothing of the kind. We only propose to give Mr. STEVENS. I would suggest to the genpeaceful security of private life, advances as he them what we have already promised, without tleman that we had better reserve the yeas and may his own fortunes without any direct regard || increasing their importance whatever. The gen nays for the last proposition, as that is the imto the welfare of his country. Sir, while I remain tleman ought to be ashamed to make such an ar portant one. upon this floor, representing a constituency who gument before this House. If he were a farmer, Mr. JOHNSON, of Pennsylvania. I will withhave made, in common with every other constit 1
presume, in order to carry out his own principle, draw the demand. uency, sacrifices for the public safety, I never will when one of his employés called upon him and in So the motion was agreed to. consent to any increase of salaries where they are formed him that he could not live upon his pay The question recurred upon the motion that the reasonably sufficient for the honorable subsistence and subsist his family, and that he must have it in- | House adhere to its disagreement to the fourth of the officer, while the fact remains that the sol creased, he would turn upon him and use the argu amendment of the Senale. diers in our Army-an Army that is the pride and mentihat he used this morning. If he were a man Mr. HOLMAN. What will be the effect of boast of the nation, and filled with the intelligent of business, and one of his clerks demanded an in- | agreeing to that motion ? and aspiring youth of the nation-are not receiy crease of pay in consequence of the increased cost The SPEAKER. The House will determine