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But another step; and it is to the gentleman I instructions of the Secretary of the Navy. What || lying printed beneath his eyes, lo condemn or to. refer. He spoke about my inaccuracy touching | 1 propose and I hope now, at least, I shall be justify him. the consideration of the bill before the committee, able to make myself understood—what I propose The honorable gentleman who heads the Naval and said, if I understood him correctly, that it is, not to remove the bureaus, not to substitute Committee (Mr. Rice, of Massachusetts) has had been considered promptly by the committee any other organization to discharge their minis- | informed usthat boards have been organized, from after I had requested the honorable gentleman and terial duties, nor to interfere with the free discre- time to time, by the Navy Department, for its bome others io have it considered, whether at the tion of the Secretary, but to interpose, on the assistance, and that that is done continually. last session or the present session I do not remem- French system, between the administrative dis- Then, sir, if the Department, at its discretion, ber. When that consideration took place I do not cretion of the Secretary and the ministerial obe- feels the necessity of advice, why should not the know, and the honorable gentleman does. But dience of the bureaus a council of naval officers, country have the benefit of the experience of men if I was misled, I was misled by the statement whose advice the Secretary may command on all responsible to it, appointed under the law by the of the distinguished gentleman from Ohio, (Mr. matters, whose opinions he must take on some President and confirmed by the Senate, whose SPALDING,) a member of the committee, who, matters, but which when taken he is free to dis- opinions shall stand before the country, instead when I moved this amendment formally, said to regard. Is that intelligible? As the President of having a commission, packed for the occasion, the House, as an objection to its consideration, || has his Cabinet, so the Secretary shall have his responsible to no law and no person, but simply that it “is now undergoing investigation before that advisers. I would have the Secretary, without executing the Secretary's will and caprice? Why committee;" and if it was decided before that time, restricting his executive discretion, surrounded should we not have this board, instead of one to I was not at fault in supposing it had not been by advisers of competent professional knowledge, be summoned, as in the case of the additional exdecided. If it was decided since that time, I am who would prevent blunders, expose errors, and penses of the Dictator, for the purpose of revising right in supposing that the judgment was made furnish light if the Secretary have only eyes; or ihe decision of another board, and of coming to while my amendment was pending, in order to if he had light, give him greater light. The la conclusion more satisfactory to the Department? affect the judgment of the House unfavorably and weaker he is the more he needs it; the wiser he The results of their adverse judgment known only irregularly upon it.

is the more he will prize and profit by it. The || by accident, and after Congress, in ignorance of Mr. RICE, of Massachusetts. Does not the very foundation of the American system of gov. their findings, had improvidently ratified the reckhonorable gentleman from Maryland know that ernment is an executive head with a council of less extravagance of the Department for “the the Committee on Naval Affairs have had no ad visers around him.

honor and interestof the Government. opportunity whatever to report on that measure? In view of the great errors and blunders that The committee treat my observations on their

Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. That is not the have been committed by the present administra- | hunt for a navy-yard as an imputation on them. question; the question is, when the committee tion of the Navy Departmeni, I endeavor to ap- | Nothing is furiher from my meaning. My comcame to their conclusion upon it.

ply that same system to the Secretary of the Navy | plaint at the loss of their services in the House was Mr. PIKE. Will the gentleman yield a mo- so as to surround him with professional advisers || wholly playful; but the argument which pointed ment?

who may save him from repeating the errors of my remark was sharp and direct, and that they Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. It is impossible, the past by mere caprice, by mere blundering, or evaded under cover of a personal complaint. Genunless my time is extended.

by mere carelessness or häste. If he had the tlemen have created this measure as an imputation Mr. PIKE. The gentleman said they came to genius of Napoleon Bonaparte he would need on the Administration. Perhaps they did not unan adverse conclusion.

advice, and if he were as wise as Napoleon be- || derstand the point of my argument; they did not Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. He did not make fore empire crazed him, he would seek and not answer it. It was that the Committee on Naval such a statement.

decline it. Those who are familiar with the writ- Affairs conceded, last session, the necessity of Mr. PIKE. It is upon the record.

ings of the great historian of the Consulate and advice by constituting themselves into a board Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. No, sir; he made Empire know that in his earlier and better days, of admiralty for the Secretary of the Navy. If that slatement afterwards, when the amendment when he exhibited greater administrative capacity they thought he needed advice and that they were was under consideration; when I referred to his than any man who had ruled France since the competent to advise him on the choice of 'navystatement that the bill was undergoing investiga- | days of Richelieu, he adopted no great measure yards, is not a board of naval officers as competion, and therefore undetermined, when I moved of questions of war or peace, of diplomatic policy ient and as necessary to give advice upon the great the amendment, he asked to be allowed to interrupt or internal administration, until it had been de- | questions of naval administration? me, and said, for the satisfaction of the gentleman bated fully, freely, and deliberately by his coun- But, in the pursuit of their argument derived I tell him the committee have come to a conclu- cil around him. The fruits of that consultation froin the experience of the Board of Admiralty in sion, and determined to report against the meas- appeared in his judgment which closed the sitting, || England, the honorable gentlemen brought themure. I am correct, or the gentlemen of the com- and in the event which consolidated France and selves, I think, into divers inconsistencies. They mittee differ among themselves, and I cannot revolutionized Europe. It was only when an in- even attempted to play on our prejudices in favor adjust their differences.

sane ambition-as a smaller ambition here leads of American genius. They are not more AmeriBut how have the gentlemen treated the meas- people to discard advice and avoid professional can than I an. They allempted to awaken the ure itself? From beginning to end as if I had in- advisers, and inflict on this land of law all the susceptibilities of this House by imputations that troduced this bill to annex ihe British system of evils of personal rule-only when an insane I had depreciated the enterprise of the American a Board of Admirally to the organization of the ambition had bent him on to the conquest of all Navy. Mr. Chairman, every officer of the AmerNavy Department. There was no other ground Europe, and when his projects would not stand ican Navy knows that I am pleading his cause; of objection or point of observation made by either discussion even in his own private councils, that and if I do not give the names of officers of the of those gentlemen, so far as I could understand che campaign of Russia and ihe invasion of Spain | first position in the Navy who hang breathless on them. I desire to say that gentlemen who are were deternrined on, without consultation, in spite the passage of the measure, it is because the As. arguing from the Board of Admiralty in England of remonstrances now sunk to whispers, on sistant Secretary of the Navy says that courtsagainst the measure I adduce either do not know mere fancies of his own imagination; and he fol- || martial are organized to convict. what the Board of Admiralty of England is, or lowed them to his ruin. is thus all merely But, sir, let us pursue the argument on the questhey never have read or understood this bill. The personal government must end, and it is from || tion of the English Board of Admirally. NotBoard of Admiralty is the Navy Department of mere personal irresponsible rule the Navy is now withstanding this perpetual American gasconade England. The six lords administer the navy, | suffering. If Napoleon could take advice, cer- about the performances of the Monitor in Hampnoi advise a single head. They are the execu- tainly Mr. Welles should not be above it. If he ton Roads, which, we are told, according to Eng. tive body itself, not a council to advise another needed counselors around him, I submit that Mr. || lish authority quoted here, has made all their ships head. It is formed upon the old system of the Fox is not a sufficient counselor for the Secretary | useless, neither France nor England has built a Government of England, which is ministerial, by of the Navy.

single monitor; and that was in 1862, and we are a board of ministers and not by the nominal head, Now, what do I propose? First, that profes- now in 1865. Russia has built thirteen monitors, the king. The Board of Admiralty is carrying sional officers shall be appointed by the Presi- we are boastfully told. When did Russia become the organization of the ministry into the admin- dent. Next, that they shall advise the Secretary a naval Power whose opinions could instruct istrative department of the navy. That is the of the Navy on every matter relating to naval | Americans on a question of nuval armament? Sir, peculiarity of the system. Against that peculi- administration, naval legislation, and ihe appli- || I may have said bilier things in the course of my arity the objections to the Board of Admiralty in cation of the naval force in time of war. It does observations, but I said nothing so bitter and so England are directed alone. It is that peculiarity not compel him to follow, it gives him the privi- insulting to the American Navy or the Navy Dewhich I do not propose to adopt, and it is upon lege of taking, the advice of this board. But on partment as that, this peculiarity of that board that these genile- the great subjects that involve vast expenditures, But the honorable gentleman from Maine [Mr. men have argued here against the amendment the organization of navy-yards, the structure of || PIKE] informs us that English authorities declare which I introduced.

new vessels, the forms of iron-clads, the adop- “that all their broadside vessels of the iron-clad The gentleman who is chairman of the Naval tion of new machinery, the pursuit of investiga- | class, like the Warrior, will have to be built over.” Committee stated that a board of naval commis- tions in new departments of inquiry-on these Yet there they stand unchanged. England still sioners was appointed under a law passed in 1815, subjects the bill says, not that the Secretary shall adheres to her system of broodside iron-clads as and that that law was repealed, and the bureau sys- be bound to come to the same conclusion with || tenaciously as she holds to the "exploded" Board tem was adopted in 1842. The burderyof his argu- the board, but that he shall come to no conclu- | of Admiralıy. I suppose that we shall next be ment was that the naval commission of 1815 was sion, and shall make no order, until he has taken told that England is no naval Power, because she such a board as I propose now. Why, Mr. Chair- the advice of this board. Tell me what harm ad- || has changed neither the organization of her Navy man, does not the gentleman understand the his. vice can do him. It does not divide the responsi. || Department northextructure of the iron-clads that tory of the organization of the Department which biliey. It does not delay his judgment. Ti does she has built. he here represents and attempts to defend? The not control his conclusions. It puis light around The honorable genileman has cited another Navy Commissioners of 1815 were the ministerial him, and then leaves him to take the way to ruin | authority, Sir Charles Napier, and one of the Naorganization of the Department, for which were if he sees fit to do so, on his responsibility be- piers so proverbial for iheir quarrels in both substituted the present bureaus, now the minis- fore the American people, with the advice which || branches of the English service.But what does terial portion of the Department, executing the he has had, and which we have provided for him, he complain of? Ur fair promotion and lack of

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responsibility. Will the gentleman ask any offi- for aggressive purposes, the counterpart of the of coal, under none of the conditions of a vessel
çer of the Navy of the United States whether he Warrior; so that the Warrior class cannot be a going to sea, subjected to no collision with the
thinks that the promotions in our Navy are fair? failure if she is not. But I cannot refrain from waves, as if I accepted that as a test of the power
That is a mosi unfortunate topic for the honor- || invoking against the Department and the gentle of the same vessel ut sea.
able gentleman just now that the Department has man from Maine the judgment of Dahlgren, who Mr. RICE, of Massachusetts. Does the gen-
organized the board of promotions, on which its went to Charleston to do impossibilities and staid tleman want to hear the report of Admiral Porter
malice has excluded the officers of the south At- | there two years without accomplishing them; who | in reference to the sea-going of that vessel ?
lantic squadron from the representation accorded went there to show that monitors could take forts, Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. I do not know
every other squadron. Where is any responsi- | and has taken none. Though he was pledged by that that is in question. 1 spoke of the validity
bility? Who is responsible for anything that is || his appointment to a judgment in favor of the ad- of your answer to a challenge of the speed of the
done? For we have a head that does nothing, | ministration wherever it was possible, his scien- Navy vessels. The question being as to the
and the active power under him, irresponsible, | tific judgment could not be so deluded as to over- speed of the screw vessel, the Department osten-
that does everything.

look the great power of this form of vessels. He || tatiously put forward a river steamer, a paddleThen the same honorable gentleman quoted a ventures no opinion on the monitor form for sca- wheel boat, upon smooth water, without the load high English authority as saying that it would | going cruisers, apologetically refuses a judgment || necessary to be carried at sea, to answer the probbe an outrage to send men into action in wooden on the general merits of iron-clads of that class, || lem of the speed of screw sloops on the occan; vessels. Why does he cast such an imputation but gives the palm of superiority for aggression and gentlemen can forin their own judgment upon the head of the Navy Department ihat sent to the form which the gentleman from Maine sup- whether that solved the problem submitted for Farragut to Mobile and Porter to Fort Fisher in poses the monitors have exploded:

solution, or served any other purpose than to miswooden vessels, and is now building a whole fleet

“ The Ironsides is a fine, powerful ship. Her armor has

lead the public mind from the real question. of them, with engines alone costing $400,000 and stood bravy battering very well, and ber broadside of seven But, since the gentleman has referred to the $600,000 each?

eleven-inch guns and one eight-inch rifle, has always told double-enders in that behalf, I will do what I did But a word on the question of iron-clads abroad. with signal ecet when opened on the enemy. Drauglit of

not do the other day. I said then only this: whatThe “American idea," as it is called, embodied

water about fifteen and a balí to sixteen feet. Speed six
to seven knots, and crew about four hundred and furty men.

ever may be their speed, the faster it carries them in the Monitor and the Dictator, has hitherto


"Just as they are, the Ironsidcs is capable of a more into action the faster it will carry them to the duced nothing that will cross the ocean. The // rapid and concentrated fire, which, under the eireum- bottom; that, since all their machinery and boilers New Ironsides that will cross it is not on that stances, made jier guns more efficuve than the filteen-inch

are above water ihey are doomed to inevitable deof the monitors." American idea, but a copy of the Warrior. And

struction in any general naval action where equal whatever opinions of magazines or officers the He, pledged by his appointment to a judgment | forces come into collision. I said for those reagentleman from Maine may quote, it is not true

in favor of the administration of the Navy Depart- sons those vessels were not to be counted a part either that England or France has adopted the ment, as far as it is possible to bend his scientific of our naval force for a war with a naval Power. American idea or abandoned as failures the War- || judgment to meet the expectations of the Departrior or La Gloire. Against those hasty sugges- ment, cannot be so used as to put out of sight the build a ship to draw only six or seven feet with tions I quote and prefer the opinion of an Amer- great power of this form of vessel, or to venture its machinery below the water-line? ican naval constructor, that gentleman whom the

an opinion in favor of monitors beyond the special Mr. DAVÍS, of Maryland. I thank the hongentleman from Mainc so justly eulogized, the circumstances of the war. He says what corroborable gentleman for that question. A board of great naval constructor of the United States, Len- orates in every particular the statementof Admiral engineers, summoned by the Department to critihall, to whom we are indebted for our great su- Porter read by me, that that vessel, constructed ) icise the machinery placed in these and other vesperiority in the structure of our wooden vessels. on tbatmodel, came more perfectly up to his idea | sels, said that because of its peculiar form the He does not think that the iron-clads of either of those intended for aggression than any other | boiler projected above the water-line, but that Englund or France are a failure, but does think he had ever seen.

with a proper model it could be placed below. that we have now nothing to oppose them. Here Now, sir, I agree with the honorable gentlemen Mr. RICE, of Massachusetts. State what model are his words:

of the commiliee that we cannot adjust these con- they recommended, or does the gentleman know “ for the protection of our coasts and harbors we are

ficting authorities. But here stands the great of any? probably well prepared; but we have only three vessels fact that while the general clamor across the Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. The honorable ihat can prelend to cope with the sea-going iron-clad ves- water exaggerates the effect produced by the atsels of European nations, and these have not yet been tried.

gentleman has their report, and can read it for lack of the Monitor upon the Merrimac, it has It is it problem to be yet resolveil, whether a large steam

himself. My impression is neither he nor the Devessel with lier deck a foot or two above water, and with not changed the course of European structure; it

partment read it after summoning the board. The ont sails, can be effective and use her guns as a cruising has not produced a single monitor in the ports of

report will show what I state to be correct; but ship. Experience has shown that as ships increase in di- France or England; and the judgment of our mensions and weight there inust be a certain relative por

no form of machinery of a paddle-wheel steamer naval officers is in conflict with the opinions :ion above the water; that is, the height of the guns from

can be protected, and therefore none of these ves the wilter should be increased ; but this may, to sojne ex

quoted from abroad, responsible or irresponsible, || sels are war vessels.
tent, be modificd by making sacrifices in some other qual- by the gentleman from Maine, but conforms to
the official judgments of France and England, that

But, sir, what I meant to refer to now, though
“ The accounts we have of the performances of the iron-
vessels of this class are neither a failure nor in-

not covered by my former remarks, is this: that clad European vessels, if to be relied on, show that the ferior to the American idea embodied in the mon

it will appear that after the explosion on the Cheelevated position of their armor-plaring has not seriously affected the motion of the vessels, and some of them are itors. I prefer the judgment of American naval

nango in New York harbor, killing and wound. represented its being easier than ordinary vessels. Their officers to the judgment of English naval offi

ing nobody can tell how many of our sailors, an large dimensions have such influence in this; but our cers, and still more to the clamor of English mag

investigation took place before the coroner, and principai harbors do not permit us to have so great a draught of water as European vessels have, which is stated to be azines; and in any legislation for the benefit of | evidence, stated the result of the evidence to the

the coroner, after å full investigation upon the from twenty-six io twenty-seven feet."

the Navy ! should consult their judgment and jury; and it went to show conclusively that the Now, sir, with reference to the iron-clad navies

not a criticism of the English Board of Admiralty | boilers placed in this vessel, and others of her of France and England, abandoned upon the mere

not analogous to the one I propose. Arguing | class, which were condemned by the board of enrumor of the impossible Dictator, let me read

from one to another is merely for the purpose of again: misleading the judgment of the House, or be- || gineers summoned by the Navy Department, were

so liable, by their peculiar structure, to exhaust the “Until such time as it becomes the policy of the Govern

cause gentlemen did not understand the bill they
ment to build iron-armored vessels for sea service--and,
are criticising.

water in the boiler, that it was dangerous to run whenever commenced, it will require some years to have

the vessel with open ports or full power. And

Now, Mr. Chairman, I do not contemplate them in sufficient number to keep an enemy from our coast

that was proved by the officers of the vessel them-
-We must liave recourse to plating wood vessels, of which
following either of the gentlemen through iheir

the first cost may appear less, though it is certain to be more
arguments, in which they evaded everything

I now send to the Clerk to be read an extract expensive in the end.

that was to be answered and controverted many Unless we have armored sea-going ships".

from that investigation,
things which were not asserted. But I desire to

The Clerk read, as follows:
Not Monitors, not Dictators, noc Dunderbergs, say, when my honorable friend on my right (Mr.
but armed sea-going ships
Rice, of Massachusetts) spoke of the swiftness of

“It is apparent that the engineer corps of the Navy, as

well as the persons whose plans are involved, have a deep we must give up the expectation of engaging our foes un the Eutaw-as if that in the least degree contro- interest in assigning soine other cause than low water; since the ocean, and must limit our operations to attacks on their verted my statements, which were in reference to if it were low it must have beeit so either from carelesscommerce with fast and light-armored vessels."

war vessels of the Navy, and not to those river ness of engineers or from inherent defects in the organizaThat is the judgment of our great naval con- boals, as I termed them he was introducing a

tion which baffled the ordinary skill of such persons as

had the machine in charge ; yet no attempt lias been mado structor upon the extent to which the American | Lopic í bad not touched. I did not mean to say 10 explain away the melted lead or lo reconcile its presence idea of monitors has affected the sea-going iron- one word in respect to the speed of those vessels, with the fact that there was enough water in the boiler, clads of Europe. He declares that we must go because I considered them set out of the account

And as this is the ordinary cause of explosion it would to work and build iron-clads of the same class, as na val vessels. But the honorable gentleman

seem consequently the true one here, particularly since no

evidence of any sort has been produced to substitute any if we contemplate meeting them on the ocean in must not suppose that I can allow to pass his other cause; and we are left to the ruere suggestion, with

slalement of the performance of this vessel in out proat, that possibly the braces miglit have been taken I will not repeat what I quoted from Admiral | smooth river water, without her provisions, with

out by Mr. Cahill and not replaeed, or possibly the coldPorter about the New Ironsides the only vessel

water test, which experience bas shown to be infallible, out her ammunition-I do not know whether she

has in this case proved a snare. Unfortunately, there are of that kind.in the Navy-the best he ever saw had her armamenl-certainly without her full load other facts, which point out very clearly the existence of

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an organic disease in these vessels, requiring the utmost Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. So much for the them before the country, and they are dangerous vigilance to guard against, the presence of which is abun- boilers of the double-enders.

arguments to go into a political contest thereon. I dantly proved. A number of ihese vessels are just now

Two gentlemen of the Committee on Naval coming out, and it so happened that on Saturday, the 16th,

ask a vote upon the measure I propose, not upon the day after this explosion, the Pawlusel, having been

Affairs have made great complaint that I imposed | my disgust ai the Department; I ask the vole upon run for ninety-six hours at the dock, was taken out on a upon them last year a burden too heavy to be borne the public considerations which must determine trial trip froni Providence. In the course of the run it be- in the resolution of inquiry I introduced relative the judgment of the country that the measure is came necessary to shut off the steam from the engine, from some cause, and thus the fact appeared that the water,

to steam machinery. Mr. Chairman, when I re- right or wrong. I ask gentlemen to say whether which had seemed to be abundant in the gauges, was low.

ferred that resolution to the Naval Committee 1 | they think the Navy Department has been manMr. Baker, an experienced engineer, who seį up and ran thought I was paying them the highest compli- aged so during this war that no advice can imthe engine on her ninety-six hours' trial, at once had the

meni I could bestow, for I supposed I was sending prove it. I ask them whether they are content fires drawn from the furnaces, as a measure of safety, the

a resolution to a committee which, from its connecessity of which, under the circumstances, Mr. Sewell

that the American commerce shall have been swept admitted to you when on the stand; and it was found that nection with the Department, would have the best from the ocean by five rebel privateers, with six the steain pump required twenty-two minutes lo resupply means possible of information; and from their at- hundred cruisers in our Navy to catch and destroy the boiler with the water found wanting, although the tendance to the interests of the Navy would pros- them. I ask them if they think that American gauges had given no warning otits absence. But for Mr. Baker this accident would have probably liad its counter

ecute their inquiry with energy and thoroughness, commerce can live if this is what we call an enerpart; and so convinced of the danger of the machine was and give us the full benefit of their judgment. Iill getic and wise management of the Navy DepartMr. Baker that he refused to come to New York in the related to the same matter investigated in part by ment. If we give the Navy a chance to live, and vessel unless he had the control given bim; and he has

the board of engineers organized by the Departtold us these facts, and sworn to the danger.

a voice in its own preservation, we may rescue ment in 1863, and disregarded by the Department. “On thc Chenango, the experienced engineers who ran

our commerce from destruction, and when we are the engine at the dock have told us that they considered

It was intended to save the ruin of the machinery called upon to meet a great naval Power on the their lives in danger from the liability to low water; and so of the Navy, to bring it to the test of science and ocean, we shall not be driven to imitate the plunconvinced were they of it that they refused to open wide knowledge; and the topics which were to be in- | dering warfare of the rebels, and, shunning our the throule-valve, though the United States engineers who were present insisted that the contract required the engine

quired into could have been inquired into effect- armed enemies, go mousing over the ocean for their to be run wide open. Mr. Smith, theengineer who erected

ually as well in the course of two weeks as in the defenseless commerce, but, like a great Power, and ran the engine of the Metacomet, another of the saine time which has elapsed from the day that resolu- meet our foes in arms and dictate terms of peace class, has proved here that the water could only be kept in tion was brought in down to the day the com- on the water as well as on the land. When gentleber boilers by so setting the valves that they would not fully open when the engine worked; and that when those valves

mittee brought in their report about a week ago. men shall take steps to do that America will be a were ordered by Mr. Sewell to be set so as to open wider, There were a few topics, and only a few, requir- | Power; but as long as Congress will not assertits and the vessel was run from the shop to the navy-yard, the ing investigation, which the examination of half a supremacy over the Departments and prescribe water worked so that the valves had to be put back to their

dozen engineers would have settled almost imme- such organization of them as will give this nation original position, which was done by himseli' at the navyyard, under orders from the chiefengineer of the ship. The

diately, and the Department and this House would the benefit of its resources, so long as Congress drawings of these engines have been produced before us,

have had the results of the investigation upon stops to inquire what the Deparıments wish, inand the measuremeuis made of the cubic feet of vacant that subject in time to act upon it.

stead of imposing on them what the interest of space which existed in these cylinders between the valves

But on the contrary what do we find? The when they are closed and the piston when at the extreme

the nation requires, we will be powerless before end of the cylinder nearest the closed valves, and it appears

stupendous diligence of the gentlemen of that the nations of the world. that these spaces are great enough to hold more than six

committee had absorbed all their leisure time Mr. Chairman, I wish to say that I am here toteen hundred pounds of water at n revolution before they from the day of the reference of the resolution || daypleading the cause of the American Navy will be filled so as to arrest the motion of the piston as it

down to the day, I think, before the motion made against the Navy Department. I am saying what approaches the end of the cylinder, and compel the opening of the relief valves, which are placed ili eaclı end of

by me to append this amendment to the naval bill. four out of five of the officers of the Navy would the cylinder to prevent the destruction of the engine by the Animmense mass of testimony-wenty-two hun- say had they a voice in this House. I say what confinement of the solid water in the cylinder; yet it ap- dred pages-was introduced, which nobody can the ablest and leading men of the Navy would say peurs here that even more than this quantity of water would at times come over from the boiler at a revolution, and that


read, which nobody can possibly con- 10-day through the newspapers, were it not that these self-acting relief valves had to be opened constantly

sider. Their report came here and has not yet the fear of exposure makes the Department desby band, to perinit the escape of this enormous quantity of been printed. It is worth now substantially, no potic. Gentlemen quote here the opinions of water more freely than it could be voided by the self-act- matter how wise or correct the resolution to which officers of the British navy against the adminising valves. When it is considered that only about nine

the committee came, just as much as the paper pounds of water in the shape of steam are needed to make

tration of their navy; but who in our Navy dare the ordinary revolution of these engines, and that at times upon which it will be printed, because during ihe say anything against the management of our Navy they draw even more than three quarters of a ton of water time that the investigation was being carried on Department? Have we not seen one of the most at a revolution, it is very easy to see how the boilers inight the Department had been building the very mabe robbed of their water in a very few minutes, aud the at

distinguished officers of our Navy, Commodore tention of'an ordinary man be cluded.

chinery that it was intended to test and correct Wilkes, for controverting statements in the report “The coal burned by the Chenango on her trial has been

and examine. Just as the Department has kept of the Department seriously affecting his honor proved, and the amount of steam which that coal produced an investigation going on to verify the results of as an officer, dragged before a court? Was that has been measured on the indicator diagrams which were the report of the engineers appointed in February, court organized on principles of justice, or was it taken on the trials, by which it is proved that in the forin

1863, still diligently at work in November, 1864, organized "10 convici,”in the language of the As. of stenin these boilers only evaporate from three to four pounds of water to the pound of coal, whereas if they did

and all the time, the Department, since February, sistant Secretary of the Navy? He was dragged not use up the heat by carrying it off from the boiler in hoc 1863, has been building the machinery; so that, || before a court for vindicating himself and his own water they would evaporate seveni or eight pounds of water without its being intended to have that effect by administration of the squadron under his cominto steam; and it is testified 10 here, and the calculations

the gentlemen making the investigation, exactly mand, and subjected to three years' suspension show upon the indicator diagrams themselves, that these engines must have been working out of the boilers, in water,

the same result has been accomplished, ihat is to from service-acruel and disgraceful persecution on an average during the ninety-six hours of the trial, about say, the Government does not geithe advantage of such as never before has iarnished the adminissix tinies as much hot water as steam. Of the accuracy of

the investigation at all, but while the investigationeration of the American Navy. Sir, this system such calculation, based upon comparing the weight of coal burned with the cubic feet of steam used by the engine,

has been lumbering on, every machine shop in the of tyranny in the Department deprives the counyou are perhaps better judges than I am; bui it is to be re- country has been ringing with the construction of | try of the benefit of the opinion and advice and marked that these calculations have been on the table for the very machinery which is in question. In a judgment of the officers of the Navy upon the several days challenging contradiction, and that they are

word, both investigations have been a mere screen not disputed. It is further proved here that a considerable

structure and organization of the American Navy. number of these vessels, exactly like the Chenango, have

to the Department, giving impunity to its gross They are always ready to risk their lives and shed been recently built and tried, and that they are now await- abuse of the public confidence.

their blood on anything that will foar, bur they ing orders for sea; yet no witness has appeared before us Mr. GANSON. I would ask the gentleman shrink from advising the country for the benefit to say that any of the other of these vessels have operated if it would not be a more direct and reliable mode ditierently trom those whose performance has been proved;

of the Navy at the expense of a trial by a court although there is no wall of proof that when these boilers

of obtaining information to have the head of the organized io convict. Let them have a voice in are arranged with a high stean space above the ends of the Naval Department upon this foor?

the making of the vessels they are to navigate; tubes, and a steam chimney, they do not work out their Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. I answer that ques- let them have a voice in the selection of the arwater. It would have been much more instructive to us if the cngineers who have run so inany of these low-roofed

tion with very great pleasure. If the informa- tillery they are to use; let them have a voice boilers bad been produced, instead of those wliose only ex

tion were in the head of the Department, I would in advising where they shall be sent. Had this perience has been with boilers not liable to that difficulty. I say yes. (Laughter.]

been done the Alabama's career would have bcen * It is not very surprising, perhaps, that among the great Mr. GANSON. I would ask the gentleman shorter and less disastrous. The coal depots and number of vessel: l'Hoe United and row and placer!!! the hands of young men who isave bad buuiue experience,

if he has found that it is out ? {Laughter.) other necessities of navigation, the lines of comand wlio are employed when there is a scarcity of engi

Mr. DAVIS, of Maryland. I fear the gentle- mercial transit, the passes of the seas, pointed out neers, on account of the great demand for the services of man does not give me credit for as much acute- the line where rebel cruisers must go from any such men suddenly made by the Navy, that an explosion ness as I flattered myself I possessed. I had should occur at some time; and is the machinery were of

given point; and any competent board could have found that out long ago. (Laughter.] the ordinary kind the accident would excite no unusual

devised a plan to meet and destroy them. Under interest. But when it occurs on machinery peculiar in its

I take leave of this digression.

the spasmodic guesswork by which the Alabama construction, and which had been condemned as inferior Sir, I submit that this measure must be de- was pursued by this adminisiration for four years, by an official board of the niost eminent engineers in the

termined on its merits. Gentlemen cannot es- our commerce was swept from the ocean, sent to country, and when it appears that those peculiarities have so exhibited their dangerous qualities as to aların practical

cape responsibility before the country by saying the bottom, or driven under foreign flags. Rebel and scientific men, and to induce thein to foretell an acci- that I proposed it out of ill-temper; nor that a vole cruisers burnt our ships not merely on distant dent of this kind; and when we tind these peculiarities for it might disturb their relations with the De- scag but almost within sight of the American existing on a greater number of other vessels just now coming into use, upon which the lives of our fellow-citizens

partment; nor that their appointments might be coast; and then the Department telegraphed 10 are to be intrusted, then it is of serious consequence, and

interfered with; nor that it might diminish their the navy-yards, and all the newspapers were filled demands of us to raise a voice of warning in time to pre- capacity to serve their constituents with the head with evlogies of the marvelous diligence of the vent any more such horrors as we have winessed. Our ofihe Department, whom the gentleman from Mis- Department in setting vessels afioat lo carch the brave mien, who are willing to expose their bosoms to the enemy's sliol, ought not to be subjected to the chances of a

souri (Mr. Blow) eulogized so strenuously, I take | rebel cruisers. Those seas swarmed with vessels horrible death at the hands of their own friends, and in

it, in order to procure weight for his navy-yard at sent to the spot where the burning took place, igeir own floating homes."

Carondelet. These argumente cannot support || and came back to report that the rebel cruisers' were not there, and that nothing was found but cils of the Navy, that the board would be simply The fifth amendment reported from the Comthe ashes of the conflagration.

a debating society, that it would entail needless mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union That system, sir, is one which could not have | discussion, and that it would deprive the Navy was read, as follows: existed had there been competent professional ad- of that single responsible head, which, in the Strike out, commencing at line two hundred and seventyvisers around the Secretary. His own patriotism, opinion of Sir Charles Napier and other naval seven, the following words: his feeling for his country's cause, the vain clamor writers, is essential to its efficiency.

66 And there is hereby authorized to be appointed in said

office one additional aid, at an annual salary of $1,333 33, of New York merchants, their cry to him to spare Now, one word more, and only one word, upon and said amount is hereby appropriated therefor.” their commerce, would have compelled him to this question of armed vessels, upon which the The amendment was agreed to. listen, if the law had only clothed a board of offi- gentleman cited the opinion of the distinguished

The sixth amendment reported from the Comcers with the right to speak, free from the danger | head of the Bureau of Construction. Sir, that

mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union of courts-martial organized to convict. It is that I gentleman reported to the head of the Navy De

was read, as follows: great deficiency that I am now trying to rem- partment, and the head of the Navy Department

Strike out all after line three hundred to the end of the edy. I am not influenced by any estimate of the sent his report in here approvingly, asking of

printed bill, as follows: personal value of the present Secretary, or of any this Congress, at the last session, that they would For pay of clerks in the ordnance departments at the sevother Secretary of the Navy. Be he as respect- make appropriations for the purpose of building eral navy-yards, in lieu of the present per diem pay, namely: able as he may, be he as able and upright as he large armed vessels, vessels which European

For salary of one clerk at Portsmouth, New Hampshire,

navy-yard, $1,200. may, be he as honest and efficient as he may, I | opinion has decided cannot be efficient unless For salary of one clerk at $1,200, and one at $1,000 per would not waste five minutes of the precious time with the enormous tonnage of six, seven, and annum, at Boston navy-yard, $2,200. of this House in eulogizing or in condemning him. || eight thousand tons. But Congress decided, and For salary of one clerk at $1,200 per annum, and one I look beyond men to measures. I look beyond properly, in my opinion, that the condition of the

clerk at $1,000 per annum, at the New York navy-yard,

$2,200. the head of the Department to the great country public Treasury was not such as to justify, at For salary of one clerk at the Philadelphia navy-yard, which that Department represents. I look be- ihat time, an appropriation to carry out the rec- $1,200, yond the brief and fitting moments of his official ommendation of the Navy Depariment on this

For salary of one clerk at $1,400, one clerk at $1,000, life, now rapidly drawing to a close-if the prayer || subjeci; and now the gentleman from Maryland

one draughtsman at $1,600, one analytical chemist at

$2,500 per annum, one assistant pyrotechinist at $1,400, and of every naval officer can be heard—10 the day || complains of the head of the Navy Department one keeper of magazine at $480 per annum, at the Washwhen the American nation will have to vindicate for not building that class of vessels.

ington navy-yard, 88,380. its power before the nations of the world now in- (Here the hammer fell.)

On agreeing to the amendment, sidiously seeking our ruin, not by stealthy dep- The question being taken on the amendment Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, demanded redations on unarmed traders, but with a Navy || of Mr. Davis, of Maryland, there were, on a di- the yeas and nays. bearing proudly the banner of the Republic over vision-ayes 48, noes 44.

The yeas and nays were ordered. the seas, worthy to meet in arms the armed foes Mr. PIKE demanded tellers.

The question was taken; and it was decided in of the thirty millions of united Americans whose Tellers were ordered; and Mr. Davis, of Mary- || the negative-yeas 52, nays 75, not voting 55; as freedom and empire it guards, and able to prove | land, and Mr. Rice, of Massachusetts, were ap- follows: on some great historic day that the Republic can pointed.

YEAS— Messrs. Alley, Allison, Ames, Ancona, Arnold, neither be torn asunder by internal dissensions The committee divided; and the tellers reported.

Augustus C. Baldwin, John D. Baldwin, Beaman, Boutwell, nor brow beaten by the coalesced monarchies of ||-ayes 60, noes 57.

Brandegee, William G. Brown, Ambrose W. Clark, Cobb, Europe. [Applause on the floor.]

So the amendment was agreed to.

Dawes, Dawson, Eckley, Eliot, Finck, Grinnell, Harring

ton, Benjamin G. Harris, Holman, Hotchkiss, John F. Hub. The CHAIRMAN. The question is on the Mr. STEVENS. I move that the committee bard, Orlando Kellogg, Knapp, McClurg, Meindoe, Middleadoption of the amendment. rise.

ton, Samuel F. Miller, Noble, Orth, Perham, Pike, PomeMr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. What has The motion was agreed to.

roy, Price, John H. Rice, Edward II. Rollins, Schenck,

Scofield, Sloan, Spalding, Stiles, Tracy, Upson, Van Valbecome of my appeal from the decision of the So the committee rose; and the Speaker having kenburgh, Elihu B. Washburne, William B. Washburn, Chair on the poini of order?

resumed the chair, Mr. Schenck reported that Wheeler, Wilson, Windom, and Winfield-52. The CHAİRMAN. The first question is, the Committee of the Whole on the state of the

NAYS-Messrs. James C. Allen, Ashley, Bailey, Bax“Shall the decision of the Chair stand as the Union, having had under consideration the spe

ter, Blow, Boyd, Broomall, Chanler, Cox, Cravens, Henry

Winter Davis, Thomas T. Davis, Deming, Driggs, Eden, judgment of the committee?!!

cial order, the bill (H. R. No. 676) making ap- Edgerton, Eldridge, English, Farnsworth, Frank, Garfield, Mr. PIKE. I have but one word to say on propriations for the naval service for the year Grider, Griswold, Hale, Hall, Charles M. Harris, Herrick, the subject. ending 30th June, 1866, had directed him to re

Higby, Hooper, Hulburd, Ingersoll, Jenckes, Philip JohnThe CHAIRMAN. Debate is not in order.

son, Kelley, Francis W. Kellogg, Kuox, Law, Le Blond, port the same with sundry amendments.

Loan, Long, Longyear, Marvin, McBride, McKinney, MorMr. PIKE. I propose to offer an amendment, Mr. STEVENS. I now call the previous ques. rill, Daniel Morris, James R. Morris, Amos Myers, Norton, and to speak to it. tion upon the bill and amendments.

Odell, Charles O'Neill, John O'Neill, Patterson, Pendleton, The CHAIRMAN. That will be in order after The previous question was seconded, and the

Perry, Pruyn, William H. Randall, Alexander H. Rice, the question of the appeal is disposed of.

Rogers, James S. Rollins, Ross, Shannon, Smithers, Stemain question ordered.

vens, Strouse, Sweat, Townsend, Wadsworth, Ward, The question was taken; and the decision of the Mr. STEVENS. Most of the amendments Whaley, Joseph W. White, Wilder, Fernando Wood, Chair was sustained, ruling the amendment of the were adopted against the opinion of the Committee Woodbridge, and Yeaman--75. gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Davis] to be in

NOT VOTING-Messrs. William J. Allen, Anderson, of Ways and Means; but I am willing that the vote order.

Blaine, Blair, Bliss, Brooks, James S. Brown, Freemui shall be taken upon them in the lump, except the Clarke, Clay, Cofl'roth, Cole, Creswell, Denison, Dixon, Mr. PIKE. I now propose to offer an amend. || last, which strikes out all after line three hundred Donnelly, Dumont, Ganson, Gooch, Harding, Asahel W. , ment, if it be in order.

to the end of the bill. That amendment, if adopted

Hubbard, Hutchins, William Johnson, Julian, Kalbfleisch, The CHAIRMAN. It is in order to offer an by the House, will leave the ordnance department

Kasson, Kernan, King, Lazear, Littlejohn, Mallory, Marcy,

McAllister, McDowell, William H. Miller, Moorhead, Moramendment to the amendment, but not to debate and several other departments without appropri- rison, Leonard Myers, Nelson, Radford, Samuel J. Ran. it except for five minutes. ations which are absolutely necessary.

dall, Robinson, Scott, Smith, Starr, John B. Steele, William Mr. PIKE. I move to amend the amendment Mr. PIKE. I ask for a separate vote on the

G. Steeie, Stuart, Thayer, Thomas, Voorhees, Webster, by striking out the last line. amendment of the gentleman from Maryland, || thington—55.

Chilton A. White, Williams, Benjamin Wood, and WorThe CHAIRMAN. The gentleman will con- (Mr. Davis.]

So the amendment was non-concurred in. fine himself to the reasons for striking out that Mr. HOLMAN. I call for a separate vote on last line. (Laughter.] each amendment.

During the roll-call, Mr. PIKE. I made no point, Mr. Chairman, The first amendment reported from the Com

Mr. O'NEILL, of Pennsylvania, stated that as to the ill temper of the gentleman from Mary- | mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union

his colleague, Mr. L. Myers, was detained at his land, which has called out this most intemperate was read, as follows:

room by indisposition. reply. He has made profert voluntarily of his In line eleven strike out the word "construction," and

The vote was then announced as above recorded. own temper, and I think with him that the House insert in lieu thereof the word “ completion."

Mr. STEVENS moved to reconsider the vote would be unwise to pivot upon it its action upon The amendment was agreed to.

by which the amendment was non-concurred in; an important measure. But that gentleman did

and also moved that the motion to reconsider be

The second amendment reported from the Comsay about the Committee on Naval Affairs that it mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union

laid on the table.
was simply recording the opinions of the naval
was read, as follows:

The latter motion was agreed to.
Department. I asked what evidence he had for
In line twelve strike out “twenty-one million five hun-

The seventh amendment was read, as follows: making that charge, and for attempting to belittle dred and seventy," and insert in lieu thereof “ twenty- Add to the bill the following: the committee, and in the remarks which he has four million five hundred and thirty;" so that the clause One midshipman, in addition to those now allowed by just made to the House he has withdrawn the in

law, shall be appointed for each congressional district and sinuation. I stated in reply to that charge that I, for

For the construction and repair of vessels of the Navy, Territory, to be appointed on the nomination of the present

twenty-four million five hundred and dirty thousand dol- members of Congress and delegates from said districts and one, 80 far from being influenced by the opinion of

Territories respectively; but no midshipman shall be apthe naval Department, did not know what that The amendment was agreed to.

pointed for any districi not represented in Congress. opinion was, and had not taken means to inform The third amendment reported from the Com- Mr. SPALDING asked unanimous consent to myself of it, thuil had had no conversation either mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union insert a provision for the District of Columbia. with the Secretary or Assistant Secretary on this was read, as follows:

Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, objected. important measure, but that judging from the Afer line seventeen insert: “For bounties to seamen, Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois, asked unanimeasure itself—which I stated in my remarks I $1,000,000.”

mous consent to insert the word “hereafter." understood to be an advisory board, more after the The amendment was agreed to.

Mr. SPALDING objected. fashion of the French board, and not a control- The fourth amendment reported from the Com- The amendment was concurred in. ling board after the manner of the British admi- mittee of the Whole on the state of the Union raliy, that it was a conglomerate of the two sys

The eighth and last amendment reported from was read, as follows:

the Committee of the Whole on the state of the tems, with the bad qualities of both;and I adduced After line one hundred and forty-nine insert : "For com- Union was then read, as follows: naval opinion against the plan to show that it pletion of joiners' building, $25,000.”

Add to the bill the following: would simply introduce confusion into the coun

The amendment was agreed to.

Provided, That no money appropriated for the naval ser.

will read:


Vice shall be expended otherwise than in accordance with Saturdays, unless otherwise ordered, the House will take Mr. KELLEY. I object to the introduction the following provisiou, so lur as it is applicable; that is a recess (laily at thirty minutes after four o'clock, p. m.,

of the resolution. to say, that the President, ly and with the advice and con- to meet again at seveu o'clock,p.m., for the transaction of sent of the Senate, shall appoint a Board of Admiralty, business.

CHIANGL OF REFERENCE. which shall consist of the vice admiral and one rear ad

Mr. ANCONA. I object. miral, one commodore, one captaint, one cominander, and

On motion of Mr. STEVENS the Committee one lieutenant commander, over which the Secretary of

Mr. MORRILL moved to suspend the rules.

of Ways and Means were discharged from the furthe Navy or the officer bighest in ranks present shall preside; The question was taken, and two thirds voting ther consideration of a memorial of the citizens and when the subject under consideration shall appertain in favor thereof, the rules were suspended. to the duties of any bureau in the Navy Deparunent, the

of Cincinnati, Obio, praying for increased hos

The resolution was then adopted. chief of such bureau shall be a member of the board, and

pital accommodations at ibat place; and the same entitled to sit and vote on the consideration of the subject.

Mr. MORRILL moved to reconsider the vote

was referred to the Committee on Commerce. Sec. – und be it further enacted, That the board shall by which the resolution was adopted; and also deliberate in common and advise the Secretary on any mat

RECONSTRUCTION. ters submitted by him relating to naval organization, naval

moved that the motion to reconsider be laid on legislation, the construction, equipment, and armament of the table.

Mr. SCHENCK. There is a special order for vessels, navy-yards, and other naval establislıments, and The latter motion was agreed to.

to-day which now properly comes before the the direction, employment, and disposition of the naval

House. forces in time of war. All such opinions shall be recorded.,

Sec. And be it further enactel, That 10 vessel-of-war Mr. STEVENS, I ask unanimous consent to

The SPEAKER. The special order now beshall be built or materially altered, nor any guns of new take from the Speaker's table and put upon its

fore the House, if the House proceeds to its conconstruction ordered or adopted, nor any engine for any

sideration, is the bill in reference to reconstrucvessel-of-war adopted or ordered, nor any perminent strucpassage a concurrent resolution sent to us from

tion. ture for naval service executed, until the plans, estimates, ihe Senate to-day in reference to counting the proposals, and contracts for tlie same shall have been sub

Mr. WASHBURNE, of Illinois. I move to electoral votes. milied to ihe board, and its opinion and advice thereon communicated in writing to the Sccretary; nor shall any pat

No objection being made, the resolution was

postpone that matter for two weeks.

Mr. STEVENS. I move that the House do ented invention be bought or adopted for the navat service taken up, considered, and agreed to; as follows: without first the opinion of the board thereon having been

now adjourn.

Resolved by the Senate, (the House of Representatives taken; and all experiments decided to test inventions and

The motion was agreed to. concurring therein,) That the following be added to the naval plans and structures shall be conducted under the injoint rules of the two Houses, namely:

And thereupon (at four o'clock and forty minspection of the board, or members thereof named by the Sec- The two llouses shall assemble in the llall of the House utes, p.m.) the House adjourned. retary, and submitted to the board for its opinion thereon. of Representatives at the hour of one o'clock p. m., on the

Sec. And be it further enacted, That all invitations second Wednesday in February next succeeding the meetfor plans or proposals for any of the works above mentioned ing of the clectors of President and Vice President of the

IN SENATE. shall be prepared by the board, snbjeet lo the approval of United States, and the President of the Senate shall be their the Secretary ; and all bids or offers or proposals for the Presiding Officer. One teller shall be appointed on the part

Tuesday, February 7, 1865. same shall be opened in the presence of the board, and the of the Senate, and two on the part of the Honse of Repreaward made by it subject to the approval of the Secretary.

Prayer by Rev. B. H. NADAL, D. D., of Washsentatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opered by Sec. -. And be it further cracleil, That the Secretary the President of the Senate, the certificates of the electoral

ington, District of Columbia. may add to the board from time to tiine other officers of votes; and said tellers having read the same in the pres

On motion of Mr. SHERMAN, and by unanithe Navy eligible to the position of chief of bureau, not ex- ence and liearing of the two Houses thus assembled, shail mous consent, the reading of the Journal was dis. ceeding three at any time, for consultation on any of the make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said above subjects. The board may lake the option of emi

pensed with. certificates; and the votes having been counted, the result nent practical engineers, mechanics, machinists, and archi- of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Sen

MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE. tects, in their respective branches of art or industry, when ate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote in their opinion ide public service will be promoted by it, and the names of the persous, it any, elected, whiclı an- A message from the House of Representatives, and pay them such reasonable compensation as the Secre- nouncement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the by Mr. MCPHERSON, ils Clerk, announced that tary inay approve.

persons elected President and Vice President of the United Mr. SPALDING demanded the yeas and nays.

the House of Representatives had agreed to the States, and, together with a list of the voles, be entered on the Journals of the two llouses,

concurrent resolution of the Senate proposing an The yeas and nays were ordered.

IT, upon the reading of any such certificate by the tellers, additional joint rule of the two Houses, providing The question was teken, and it was decided in

any question shall arise in regard to counting the votes that the two Houses shall assemble on the secthe negative-yeas 60, nays 70, not voting 52; therein certified, the same having been stated by the Preas follows: siding Officer, the Senate shall thereupou withdraw, and

ond Wednesday in February next after the meetYEAS-Messrs. James C. Allen, Ancona, Baily, Augus. said question shall be submitted to thai body for its decis.

ing of the electors of President and Vice President tus C. Baldwin, Beamin. Blaine, Boyd,Cox,Cravens, llenry

ion; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall of the United States, in the Hall of the House of Winter Davis, Thomas T. Davis, Dawson, Driggs, Eden,

in like manner submit said question to the House of Rep | Representatives, for the purpose of opening and Finck, Ganson. Garrich, Hall, Ilarrington, ligby, llolman,

resentatives for its decision; and no question shall be do-
cided atlirnatively, and no vote objected to shall be counted,

counting the voles for President and Vice PresiAsahel W. Hlubbard, Tilburd, Pliitip Johnson, Julian, OrJando Kellogg, Knapp, Knox, Le Blond, Long, Longyear, except by the concurrent votes of the two Houses, wbich

dent; and prescribing the rules for the proceedMcClurg, Melndoe, McKinney, Middleton, Samuel F. Mil

being obiained, the two llouses shall immediately reassem- ings of the two Houses in such joint meeting.

We, and the Presiding Officer shall then announce the deler, Morrill, Daniel Morris, Jaines R. Morris, Noble, John

The message further announced that the House O'Neill, Orth, Pendleton, Price, Pruyri, Ross, Schenck,

cision of the question submitted ; and upon any such quesShannon, Smithers, Stevens, Stiles, Strouse, Townsend, tion there shall be no debate iu cither Ilouse. And any

of Representatives had passed a bill (H. R. No. Upson, Wadsworth, Elihu 'B. Washburne, Joseph W.

other question pertinent to the object for which the two 676) making appropriations for the naval service White, Williams, and "Vilder-60.

Houses are assembled may be subinitted and deterinined for the year ending the 30th of June, 1866.

in like manner.
NAYS-Messrs. Alley, Allisoni, Amee, Arnold, Ashley,
John D. Baldwin, Baxter, Blow, Boutwell, Brandegee,
At such joint meeting of the two Houses seats shall be

Brooniall, William G. Brown, Chanler, Ambrose W. Clark,

provided as follows: for the President of the Senate, the Cobb, Dawes, Deming, Dumont, Eckley, Edgerton, El. Speaker's chair; for the Speaker, a chair immediately

The message further announced that the House dridge, Eliot, English, Farnsworth, Frank, Grider, Grinupon his left; for the Senators, in the body of the fall upon

of Representatives had passed a concurrent resopell, Griswold, Hale, Benjamin G. Harris, Charles M. Harilie right of the Presiding Officer; for the Representatives,

lution to authorize the Committee on Commerce ris, Herrick, Ilooper, Jolin 11. Hubbard, Ingersoll, Jenckes,

in the body of the Hall Hot Occupied by the Senators; for on the part of the Senate to join the Committee · Kelley, Francis W. Kellogu, Law, Loan, Marvin, Amos the tellers, Secretary of the Senate and Clerk of the Honse

on Commerce on the part of the House, for the Myers, Norton, Odell, Charles O'Neill, Priterson, Perham,

of Representatives, at the Clerk's desk; for the other offiPerry, Pike, Pomeroy, William 11. Randall, Alexander 11.

cers of the two Ilouses, in front of the Clerk's desk and purpose of making certain investigations in reRice, John II. Rice, Rogers, Edward 11. Rollins, James S. upon either side of the Speaker's platform.

gard to trade with the States in rebellion, and Rollins, Spalding, Jolin B. Steek, Swear, Van Valkenburgli,

Such joint meeting shall not be dissolved until the elec- making said committees a joint committee for Ward, Willian B. Wasliburn, Whaley, Wheeler, Wilson,

toral voies are all counted and the result declared, and no Windom, Wintield, Fernando Wood, Woodbridge, and recess shall be taken unless a question shall have arisen in

the purpose of completing said investigations; Yeammall-70. regard to the counting of any oi such vote, in which case it

in which the concurrence of the Senate was NOT VOTING-Messrs. Williain J. Allen, Anderson,

shall be competent for either House, acting separately, in requested. Blair, Bliss, Brooks, James S. Drowni, Freeman Clarke,

the manner hereinbefore provided, to direct n recess not Mr. CHANDLER. I move that the Senate Clay, Coffroth, Col., Creswel!, Denison, Dixon, Donnelly, beyond the next day at the hour of one o'clock, p. m.

proceed to the consideration of the concurrent resGooch, Harding, Hotehkiss, Hutchins, William Jolinson, Mr. STEVENS moved that the vote by which | olution just communicated from the House of Kalbfleisch, Kasson, Kernan, King, Lazear, Litucjolin, the resolution was agreed to be reconsidered; and Mallory, Marcy, McAllister, McBride, McDowell, William

Representatives in relation to the investigation of H: Miller, Moorhead, Morrison, Leonard Myers, Nelson, also moved that the motion to reconsider be laid

the subject of trade with the States in rebellion, Radford, Samuel J. Randall, Robinson, Scofield, Scott, on the table.

The motion was agreed to; and the Senate proSloan, Smith, Starr, William G. Steele, Stuart, Thayer, The latter motion was agreed to.

ceeded to consider the following resolution: Thomas, Tracy, Voorliees, Webster, Chilton A. White, Benjamin Wood, and Worthington-52.


Resolved, (the Senate concurring.) 'That the CommitSo the amendment was non-concurred in.

Mr. CHANLER. I ask unanimous consent

tee on Commerce on the part of the Senate be joined with

the committee on the part of he llouse in the investiga. During the roll-call, to introduce the following resolution:

tions which said Committee on Cominerce are now enMr. DAWES stated that his colleague, Mr. Resolved, that the Secrctary of War be, and is hereby,

gaged in, under resolutions of the House of January 20, Gooch, had been compelled to leave the House directed to communicate to this House at an early day the

1865, and January 25, 1865, in regard to trade with the basis upon which the quouis of the different districts of the

States in rebellion, to constitute a joint committee for the by illnesss. States have been established and adjusted under cach of

purpose of completing said investigations; and that the The vote was then announced as above rethe several calls for troops by the President of the United

said joint committee have the same powers as the Comcorded. States, logether with a detailed statement of the number

mittee on Commerce of the House now have on the subThe bill, as amended, was ordered to be enof troops and seainen furnished by each State and district

jeet of said investigation. since the outbreak of the rebellion, with their respective grossed and read a third time; and being en

Mr. CHANDLER. I move that the Senate terms of service. grossed, it was accordingly read the third time,

concur in the resolution. and passed.

Mr. UPSON. I object.

The motion was agreed to.
Mr. STEVENS moved to reconsider the vote

At a subsequent stage of the proceedings Mr.
Upson withdrew his objection.

TELLER TO COUNT PRESIDENTIAL VOTES. by which the bill was passed, and also moved that the motion to reconsider be laid on the table.

The SPEAKER. Is there further objection Mr. TRUMBULL. The joint rule which has The latter motion was agreed to. to the introduction of the resolution?

been adopted by the two Houses in regard to Mr. GARFIELD. I shall object unless the counting'ihe voies for President and Vice Pres. EVENING SESSIONS.

gentleman modifies it by putting in the wordsident to-morrow makes it the duty of the Senate Mr. MORRILL. I ask unanimous consent of “if not incompatible with the public interest." to appoint one teller on its part and the House lo the House to submit the following resolution: Mr. CHANLER. I have no objection to that || appoint two. I move that the President of the Resolved, That ou and after Wednesday next, except modification.

Senate appoint the teller on the part of the Senate.'

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